inertia
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Even moderate Democrats are currently pushing back against many socialist-like agenda's within the halls of the United States congress. Revolution? Not even close.
We remember.
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Socialism VS Capitalism
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Even moderate Democrats are currently pushing back against many socialist-like agenda's within the halls of the United States congress. Revolution? Not even close.
We remember.
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Authentic Nouveau
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Jesus saves.My knowledge can save the world.
He is showing delusions of grandeur
Authentic Nouveau
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To Be Carnally Minded is Death - Romans 8: 5-8 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be.spiritually minded is life and peace.
Your early church father:
Karl Marx on Religion as the Opium of the People
Authentic Nouveau
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God uses the opposite. Moses had a stick and a stutter.
Moses wrote;
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage
From the history I read, it takes more than a troll with a foghorn to deliver people from bondage.
Authentic Nouveau
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HillsboroMom
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If you don't like this issue, you can skip the thread. I find it informative.
It's only divisive to those who ignore the truth.
Jesus preached the type of Socialism that WiseOne is speaking of. The early Christian Church was socialist. If you don't like this type of Socialism, then you don't like Christianity.
HillsboroMom
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It kinda does. That's one of the definitions of an economic system.
What is Christian Socialism? | GotQuestions.org
What is Christian Socialism? How is Christian socialism different from other forms of socialism? Is Christian socialism biblical?
www.gotquestions.org
A good response to the idea of Christianity being socialist.
DeSanto
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Seeking truth is much different than claiming to be an “expert” trained by the Spirit of Truth.
But, I thought you didn’t believe in all that supernatural mumbo jumbo??? Shrug
I didn’t say that, did I? You are the one advocating for a party/group/movement that is woefully corrupt. Not I.
You mean like, “By the People for the People.” Sounds oddly familiar.
Problem is people can easily be corrupted. Ask the Holy Spirit. He will tell you.
Well, the socialist party does openly and actively advocate for the dismantling of the US constitution. So…
I am self-employed. A small business owner. The rich capitalist and the rich socialist are all the same to me. Taking what isn’t theirs.
No. We give them authority. YOU give them authority. When you obey them and depend on them to provide for you and solve all your problems.
Take the vaccine mandates, for instance. Authorities say you can have your freedom IF YOU OBEY. Slaves.
Will you obey if they mandate vaccines?
Will you ask authorities for exemptions?
Will you show them your papers?
If you want to eat, will the Kroger authorities allow you in?
Bottom line:
If they dismantle the constitution… it will be because WE ALLOWED IT!
You said WAR. So, murdering people would be included. No?
SMH. Then you are no different than all the other corrupt power hungry wannabe authority figures you hate.
No different.
I wanted you to admit you would be okay with murdering people and throwing dissidents in jail and imposing your will on others. And you did, for the most part. You haven’t explicitly said you would support murdering corrupt officials you want to rise up against. But it’s implied in the term WAR. Which makes you no better than the corrupt officials you want to rise up against.
Even if you win… You lose.
🙄 Another illusion. We’ve seen the socialist idea of a “peaceful” protest.
Provoke to incite violence against you then you can say you have an excuse to go to war. Even if it means neighbor against neighbor… blood in the street.
BAMN! Right?
If the people are their own authority under socialism … then you can’t try me in court, because I am the authority and I say you can’t!
Problem solved.
You would try me in court as a political dissident. That would defiantly oppress me.
You mean like Jesus? Wow! You really do think highly of yourself, don’t you?
Except Jesus didn’t murder, jail and oppress dissidents. But, whatever! You know better, right? Because you’re not intelligent… your WISE! 😊
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inertia
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What is Christian Socialism? | GotQuestions.org
What is Christian Socialism? How is Christian socialism different from other forms of socialism? Is Christian socialism biblical?www.gotquestions.org
A good response to the idea of Christianity being socialist.
The last two sentences:
" Far more is accomplished by robust capitalism accompanied by generosity. Unfortunately, generosity cannot be legislated, and the redistribution of wealth usually causes a decrease in the activities that produce wealth, leaving generous people with much less to be generous with." (Underline Mine)
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HillsboroMom
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This chart is somewhat helpful, but inaccurate on several counts.
First of all, American Democrats are more rigid (advocate for less freedom) than this chart suggests, both economically and socially, so move them to the right and up on this chart. The current party would be on the left end of the purple box.
I think the GOP placement is a little high on the chart. They advocate for more restrictions on personal behavior, such as gay marriage and abortion. A true social freedom position would say that the government should stay out of these things, and leave it up to individuals to decide. (Whether that's wrong or right, that's what more social freedom means.)
The US Libertarian Party is not as high as it is placed here. I would place it lower and more to the right. A ***true*** libertarian -- at the very top -- would say that the government needs to get out of the marriage business entirely, and should not base rights on one's marital status at all. Gay marriage becomes a non-issue. Think about it. The argument that gays should be allowed to marry is because they should be entitled to the same rights as straight people. What rights to straight people get? Well, there are tax advantages. Under a libertarian system, taxes are very low, and applied to specific situations. Marriage would not be one. Neither would children. There are inheritance and healthcare rights that people currently get in a heterosexual marriage that they didn't get before gay marriage was legal. Rather than legalize gay marriage, simply remove the government restrictions on those laws, so that individuals can choose their beneficiaries. If a person wants to include a same-sex partner, or a sibling, or a friend, let them. A true Libertarian would also be pro-choice with regards to abortion, and say it is a decision for the woman and the doctor. (Again, not saying whether it's morally proper, just what the party would say.) I think the official US Libertarian Party is pro-choice, but many Libertarians I know in the US are anti-abortion, and push for legislation to make abortion illegal again. (Maybe that's just anecdotal.)
The US Green Party is slightly to the right and down of where it is placed on this chart. We really don't have a far-left party in this country. Antifa would be far-left, but they're hardly an organized party, they're basically a mob. They'd be about where the Green Party icon is on that chart.
There is no Socialist Party in this country. Not one state in the US has a Socialist Party registered. Two states have a "Working Class" Party, and five have a "Working Family" Party. Those are both close in platform to what Socialism would be. That's how non-socialist the US is.
This chart is also missing the Constitution Party. 12 states have this party, and it would be in the far right corner, with minimal social freedom but maximum economic freedom. I would guess many people in this forum would resonate with that party. Then there's the "Marijuana" Party, and the "Unity" Party, each in 2 (different) states, not worth mentioning.
HillsboroMom
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Actually, in many parts of the world (east), they were aware that the world was round. Europe was not the only inhabited place in the world.
HillsboroMom
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Good point. Greedy capitalists will only rob you.
inertia
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To my knowledge this Nolan chart is an improvement from many others. The simplistic and typical political right vs left only spectrum is inadequate.
Centrist Democrats are putting up a fight concerning taxation and spending. Maybe these representatives are what is left of the so-called Reagan Democrats. They seem to understand that there are alternatives to "tax-tax", "spend and spend". ( Right side of the center )
They are certainly for increased social freedom...then again..
^That^ is a very Libertarian sentiment and many current GOP leaning people also stand for libertarian principles. This particular Nolan chart represents this line of thinking.
"Conservative Traditionalist" GOP leaning people don't agree with gay marriage - ever.
There are a smaller number of people that align with Libertarians that are realistically - anarchists. This particular political "vacuum" will not exist for long if it should come to fruition in the future. ( I don't believe it ever will. )
I have reason to believe that Gary Johnson was representative of a majority of Libertarian positions when running for President.
He stated: “Government exists to protect civil liberties and constitutional rights – not to pick and choose among those Americans who should have those rights. Denying same-sex couples the right to marry under the law is government-sanctioned discrimination.”
I lean GOP biblical-conservative on same-sex couple marriage.
I don't think that this sinful activity is righteous. God will not bless countries that support it.
Concerning "consistent" Libertarians:
A Libertarian that is consistent with libertarianism should understand that even limited government stands for protecting individuals from coercion and violence. While observing an ultrasound image of a person, a fully human baby, it's exceedingly difficult to come to any other conclusion that an abortion is a violent act.
"According to our analysis of 2008 [American National Election Study] data, 62 percent of libertarians are pro-choice versus 37 percent pro-life, similar to percentages of the national population," _ Reference
The Green Party is clearly left of center, pro-labor, progressive, heavy taxation, and spending. - socialist-leaning in order to "save-the-planet"
You might be correct with regards to Antifa.
There is a communist party.
The Constitution Party probably fits in the upper conservative right corner at first thought.
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DeSanto
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Lol! Hilarious!
DeSanto
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What you’re talking about is actually in violation of the LAW. It’s called… Sedition.
And that’s exactly what has been happening in our country for decades. Seditious little traitors that think they know best have crept their way into power… not by bloody war, but by infiltration. You know, spying, blackmailing, bribing, threatening, setting people up. THEY are traitors. THEY are the corrupt gov officials in violation of the US Constitution. THEY have infiltrated and corrupted both sides of the isle. THEY steal from the people. THEY rig elections all over the world. THAT traffick humans with our tax money. THEY conspire with foreign govs. THEY stage riots, protest, and stupid color revolutions all over the world. THEY staged the capitol riots. How’s THAT for truth??? Corrupt fbi officials were caught on zoom calls talking about how they would do it and frame Trump supporters.
These are YOUR people. Self-identified SOCIALIST. This is YOUR revolution happening right now and you don’t even see it.
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HillsboroMom
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I agree. Better, but not perfect.
I agree with you. That's why "conservative traditionalist GOP-leaning people" are not Libertarians.
Not quite anarchists, but pretty darn close to it. I agree with you, that this position would devolve to chaos. But my initial post was not giving my own opinions on the positions, but merely outlining the various positions.
I don't think it's righteous, either.
Neither is allowing as many as 1/3 of our citizens to starve, which conservatives do through cutting funding to important social programs.
There is nothing in the Bible that says "God hates a nation who allows gays to marry."
There are a metric ton of verses in the Bible that say God hates the nation who allows the poor to starve.
If God is withholding his blessing of the US, it is for the second reason, not the first.
AND EITHER WAY..... The question here isn't whether God is blessing us or cursing us. The question is, who's job is it to ensure (a) whether gay people get married, and/or (b) whether poor people starve. Is it the government's job to do this? If you're a conservative (either politically or socially), you should say, "the government should stay out of personal decisions," and it's not the government's job to dictate anything, either marriage or charity. That's up to the individual. If you're a liberal, you think the government SHOULD oversee marriage and/or charity. If you want the government to be responsible for the actions of its people, then feeding the poor should be of a greater concern than who is sleeping with whom. (JMHO) Not saying that sexual immorality is okay, but if I had to choose between letting someone starve and letting someone be sexually impure, I think the first would be the greater sin.
Final two points: (a) Is it really our choice, either way? and (b) If it is, do we have to choose?
This is only after 12 weeks. Before that, it's exceedingly difficult to come to any other conclusion than it's not "a fully human baby," if you're going to be base about it.
As I've said before, I think abortion is a violent act, even before the embryo resembles "a fully human baby."
I also think war is a violent act, and I'd wager most would agree with me.
Self-defense is almost always a violent act.
Killing an animal for food is a violence act.
Sometimes violence is justified. It is not for me to decide when, in YOUR life, a violent act is justified, unless and until I'm called up to serve on a jury where you're being prosecuted for it.
And it sure as heck isn't for a body of government officials to decide, before any act has even occurred, to decide what specific acts are justified. I trust doctors and women to make the right choices. Yes, often they make the wrong choices. Just like often, people who own guns make the wrong choices about self-defense, but I don't seek to take away EVERYONE'S right to own a gun just because A FEW PEOPLE make the wrong choice about self-defense.
I believe that if we live in a country where we generally trust people to make the right choice (despite evidence to the contrary), we live with the consequences that sometimes they don't.
If you want to live in a nanny state, where the government takes away all of your choices for you, and makes sure you never have a chance to make the wrong choice, there are a few on this planet to choose from. The US is not one of those. Yet.
Though I'm not convinced it isn't moving in that direction.
That is precisely where I placed it. Slightly right and down a little of where the icon for it was in that chart, but yes, very much left of center, and (IMHO) a little below the center line socially.
Yes, but they don't have enough members to sponsor any candidates. So they don't count.