Socialism VS Capitalism

[inertia]

To my knowledge this Nolan chart is an improvement from many others. The simplistic and typical political right vs left only spectrum is inadequate.



Centrist Democrats are putting up a fight concerning taxation and spending. Maybe these representatives are what is left of the so-called Reagan Democrats. They seem to understand that there are alternatives to "tax-tax", "spend and spend". ( Right side of the center )

They are certainly for increased social freedom...then again..

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^That^ is a very Libertarian sentiment and many current GOP leaning people also stand for libertarian principles. This particular Nolan chart represents this line of thinking.

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"Conservative Traditionalist" GOP leaning people don't agree with gay marriage - ever.



There are a smaller number of people that align with Libertarians that are realistically - anarchists. This particular political "vacuum" will not exist for long if it should come to fruition in the future. ( I don't believe it ever will. )

I have reason to believe that Gary Johnson was representative of a majority of Libertarian positions when running for President.

He stated: “Government exists to protect civil liberties and constitutional rights – not to pick and choose among those Americans who should have those rights. Denying same-sex couples the right to marry under the law is government-sanctioned discrimination.”

I lean GOP biblical-conservative on same-sex couple marriage.



I don't think that this sinful activity is righteous. God will not bless countries that support it.



Concerning "consistent" Libertarians:

A Libertarian that is consistent with libertarianism should understand that even limited government stands for protecting individuals from coercion and violence. While observing an ultrasound image of a person, a fully human baby, it's exceedingly difficult to come to any other conclusion that an abortion is a violent act.

"According to our analysis of 2008 [American National Election Study] data, 62 percent of libertarians are pro-choice versus 37 percent pro-life, similar to percentages of the national population," _ Reference



The Green Party is clearly left of center, pro-labor, progressive, heavy taxation, and spending. - socialist-leaning in order to "save-the-planet"

You might be correct with regards to Antifa.



There is a communist party.



The Constitution Party probably fits in the upper conservative right corner at first thought.

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Based on our limited conversation here it feels like there is a lot of agreement.

On the subject of abortion, twenty-three pairs of chromosomes are enough for human identification for me.

I might lean (left or right) thinking that government should ultra-fund adoption instead of funding abortion-for-convenience. Convenient killing because it makes others live a different life than otherwise is wrong.

I also favor, just as Gary Johnson did, a well-funded safety net designed to handle a lot of terrible situations and help people prosper.

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[HillsboroMom]

Based on our limited conversation here it feels like there is a lot of agreement.

Agreed. You and I disagree on many things, but there is also much agreement, and that is a good thing.

I might lean (left or right) thinking that government should ultra-fund adoption instead of funding abortion-for-convenience.

I like this idea. The current high cost is so prohibitive that many parents who would normally like to adopt find themselves closed to the option.

I also favor, just as Gary Johnson did, a well-funded safety net designed to handle a lot of terrible situations and help people prosper.

There are a lot of things I would do differently from (and I think better than) our current government. Throwing money at problems doesn't make them go away, but some concerted effort, spending smart instead of just spending....

For example, rather than giving people welfare, which too often perpetuates a cycle of poverty, I'd like to see more options with a plan to get out of the cycle. In most cities, the cheapest rent you can find is over $1,000/month. Rather than the government paying individuals to pay that to landlords, why not support local charities who run programs where people can live, have meals and child-care provided, mental health counseling (most homeless people are homeless due to mental health issues), and job training. While the per-month-per-person cost may be a little higher (and really, it may not be), the long-term benefits will FAR outweigh what we're doing now.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

• Socialism You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbour.
• Communism You have two cows. You give them to the government, and the government then gives you some milk.
• Fascism You have two cows. You give them to the government, and the government then sells you some milk.
• Capitalism You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
• Nazism You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.
• Bidenism Sell milk for bribes. Empty shelves.

 

[inertia]

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There are a lot of things I would do differently from (and I think better than) our current government. Throwing money at problems doesn't make them go away, but some concerted effort, spending smart instead of just spending....

For example, rather than giving people welfare, which too often perpetuates a cycle of poverty, I'd like to see more options with a plan to get out of the cycle. In most cities, the cheapest rent you can find is over $1,000/month. Rather than the government paying individuals to pay that to landlords, why not support local charities who run programs where people can live, have meals and child-care provided, mental health counseling (most homeless people are homeless due to mental health issues), and job training. While the per-month-per-person cost may be a little higher (and really, it may not be), the long-term benefits will FAR outweigh what we're doing now.

Good ideas. Mentally ill people, on the other hand, are in another situation altogether. People cannot be placed in a mental institution unless they are in danger of hurting themselves or someone else. If a non-violent mentally ill person wants to live in a tent on the corner of Yale and Columbine street, and its not illegal, then he/she can do that in a free society. ( I understand Los Angeles came up with an alternative solution that works. )

Some of the homeless are in the streets due to the consequences of a divorce. For example, I know a man (Henry) that only had a car and his clothes after a divorce. He survived by holding up a cardboard sign next to a popular McDonald's for about two years. Apparently he had to claim that particular (lucrative) corner very early in the morning before others -or else- lose out on that corner. His face literally changed during that timeframe throughout a couple of Colorado winters. Finally, a construction contractor hired him and I haven't seen Henry since. - yes, good exists out there too

A couple of decades ago, a Christian financial adviser wrote a couple of books discussing topics just like ^this^ and his idea was that churches should be funding and manning these efforts instead of the government. Not only would tax dollars go to other necessary expenditures, but a range of serious problems could be addressed up-to and including mental health counseling, job retraining, resume writing, food, shelter and childcare facilities. All permanently staffed with social-professionals there and ready to help.

Since this idea has never taken root as much as necessary, the burden still resides with individuals with limited funds and in the proverbial "hands" of government organizations. ( not optimal by a large margin )

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[wiseones2cents]

Even moderate Democrats are currently pushing back against many socialist-like agenda's within the halls of the United States congress. Revolution? Not even close.

We remember.

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LOL!! Socialism is the smoke screen. The problem is corruption. I see VERY little being done about corruption, if anything at all. Just a few fuzzy feel good stories, but the country is corrupt to the core!

Most Americans think democratic election will bring change and they keep trusting their leaders and that has proven to be worthless. The system(yes Capitalism) is the problem, and their brand of socialism is STATE capitalism. But its still corrupt and greedy capitalism.

Your meme is laughable. Why? One party(the establishment) already rules America via the Federal Reserve. And if they dont obey they would be cut off from credit so fast it would make their head spin. They own all the media companies so they decide what is truth. Their politically correct ideology has been censoring and suppressing opposition. Wake up! It's already here! And this time the enemy is not British elites. The enemy is us......

 

[wiseones2cents]

You would not oppress them only if they did everything you commanded them to do.

Pay attention folks, for all the posters advocating of socialism, he slips up and calls them “his people”. Doesn’t sound like socialism to me.

LOL. I wouldnt command them to do anything that wasn't in the best interest of the people. Can your capitalist masters say the same?

Yes, my people are the ones who would like to live in a socialist system. Obviously that wouldnt be you.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Jesus saves.

Wisdom and the truth saves.

 

[wiseones2cents]

To Be Carnally Minded is Death - Romans 8: 5-8 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be.spiritually minded is life and peace.

Your early church father:
Karl Marx on Religion as the Opium of the People

Yes so capitalist are carnally minded)its all about greed and material wealth). Good luck on judgement day Nouveau!! LOL

I serve the Spirit or I would be chasing wealth like your kind.

 

[wiseones2cents]

God uses the opposite. Moses had a stick and a stutter.

Moses wrote;

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage

From the history I read, it takes more than a troll with a foghorn to deliver people from bondage.

Im sure you dont want to hear my interpretation of Moses's GOD.lol

 

[wiseones2cents]

Do you like to "party"?

None of the rich invite you?

I get invited to many things by rich and poor alike.

Want to debate the parting of the Red Sea?

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

LOL. I wouldnt command them to do anything that wasn't in the best interest of the people. Can your capitalist masters say the same?

Yes, my people are the ones who would like to live in a socialist system. Obviously that wouldnt be you.

That is Socialism Stage I talk.

How will you get their money?

 

[wiseones2cents]

Seeking truth is much different than claiming to be an “expert” trained by the Spirit of Truth.

If you seek truth, you will also find truth.

But, I thought you didn’t believe in all that supernatural mumbo jumbo??? Shrug

I dont believe in the partying of the red sea but I certainly believe in the Spirit of Grace AND the Spirit of Truth.

I didn’t say that, did I? You are the one advocating for a party/group/movement that is woefully corrupt. Not I.

You call socialisms corrupt! Yet ignore the fact that capitalism is 10X more corrupt. I'm advocating for a MUCH less corrupt system. Not fueled by greed.

You mean like, “By the People for the People.” Sounds oddly familiar.

Problem is people can easily be corrupted. Ask the Holy Spirit. He will tell you.

Even the Magna Carta was based on revolution against greedy Monarchs. Who later reneged on their promises. But it still looks good on paper right?

Yes people can be easily corrupted. But those of the Holy Spirit are NOT easily corrupted. Capish?

Well, the socialist party does openly and actively advocate for the dismantling of the US constitution. So…

Constitutions are only as good as those that interpret it. The elites use it when its in their advantage and ignore it when it's not!

I am self-employed. A small business owner. The rich capitalist and the rich socialist are all the same to me. Taking what isn’t theirs.

I think the problem here is you are unaware of the socialist system I promote. It doesn't need to take what isnt there's because everything its co-owned.

Now as far as Socialism? I too was a small business owner. The cost of doing business is WAY more than it should be, and the reason for that is capitalism and capitalist collusion with government. I will start a thread when I have time explaining my socialism. I've posted it many times.

No. We give them authority. YOU give them authority. When you obey them and depend on them to provide for you and solve all your problems.

They have authority because the majority of the population is cowards. The reason they are afraid is because the authority uses fear tactics and threat of imprisonment, loss of your job and or fines to keep the people in line.

Take the vaccine mandates, for instance. Authorities say you can have your freedom IF YOU OBEY. Slaves.

Agreed.

Will you obey if they mandate vaccines?
Will you ask authorities for exemptions?
Will you show them your papers?
If you want to eat, will the Kroger authorities allow you in?

The answer is no.

Bottom line:

If they dismantle the constitution… it will be because WE ALLOWED IT!

ANYTHING that happens will be because you allowed it. You think the people need the constitution to be armed? If the MAJORITY of people will it, it can't be taken away. How will they confiscate your guns? Using fear tactics and coercion as I noted above.

You said WAR. So, murdering people would be included. No?

Are you not familiar with the term "revolution"??? Look it up.

SMH. Then you are no different than all the other corrupt power hungry wannabe authority figures you hate.
No different.

LMAO!! What would you do with dissidents? Or hooligans came to your business and acted in a way that is counter to you running your establishment? Throw out the welcome mat?

I wanted you to admit you would be okay with murdering people and throwing dissidents in jail and imposing your will on others. And you did, for the most part. You haven’t explicitly said you would support murdering corrupt officials you want to rise up against. But it’s implied in the term WAR. Which makes you no better than the corrupt officials you want to rise up against.

Nonsense. I am nothing like your greedy capitalist.

Even if you win… You lose.

🙄 Another illusion. We’ve seen the socialist idea of a “peaceful” protest.

Provoke to incite violence against you then you can say you have an excuse to go to war. Even if it means neighbor against neighbor… blood in the street.

LOL. You are AGAIN confusing Fascism and Communism with my meaning of Socialism

If the people are their own authority under socialism … then you can’t try me in court, because I am the authority and I say you can’t!

Problem solved.

Depends. There are still laws you must follow. You break them, the majority of the public will call for justice.

You would try me in court as a political dissident. That would defiantly oppress me.

I can always exile you. If you do something against the law and I punish you, that is not oppression.lol Look up the word in the dictionary.

You mean like Jesus? Wow! You really do think highly of yourself, don’t you?

Well as a partaker of the Holy Spirit, don't you think following Jesus would be my goal?

Except Jesus didn’t murder, jail and oppress dissidents. But, whatever! You know better, right? Because you’re not intelligent… your WISE! 😊

You know nothing of Jesus! Jesus was a revolutionary martyr who died for the common man!

How could Jesus murder and jail dissidents?? He wasn't in a position of authority was He?

Jesus said if it was His Kingdom, His people would have stood up and fought for Him! But the world is under the power of the wicked one!

Would Jesus force people to live in His Kingdom? And what does He do to the dissidents? Lake of fire!!!

I believe in liberation theology. And I've studied the Bible extensively!

And if He was in a position of authority on the earth, he wasn't interested in those that didnt want to follow Him. Just those who did! He did not come for those that didnt need His help, but for those who did!

Luke 5:30-32​

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30 The Pharisees and their scribes began grumbling to His disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with the tax collectors and [a]sinners?” 31 And Jesus answered and said to them, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous to repentance, but sinners.”

Obviously He was planning a revolution.

Luke 22:36
And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one.

Luke 12:49​

49 “I have come to ignite a fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!


Matthew 10:34
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

He is speaking of a SPIRITUAL revolution. But eventually that revolution would become physical thus Armageddon! You think the evil people will just all give up? Some will repent, some wont.


The truth of the mater is that Christianity was not strong enough to revolt against the Elitists at the time and Jesus knew that,. He was hoping one day it would be but then Christianity lost its way somewhere and the Kingdom to come has been deterred!

 

[wiseones2cents]

What is Christian Socialism? | GotQuestions.org

What is Christian Socialism? How is Christian socialism different from other forms of socialism? Is Christian socialism biblical?

www.gotquestions.org

A good response to the idea of Christianity being socialist.

Ask the author to come to CARM I will educate him. He sounds like a Pharisee. This is just an opinion piece and holds little weight.

 

[wiseones2cents]

What you’re talking about is actually in violation of the LAW. It’s called… Sedition.

LOL. I could tell you were trying to make me confess to sedition or treason > LMAO!!

And what happens to people that violate your laws?

And that’s exactly what has been happening in our country for decades. Seditious little traitors that think they know best have crept their way into power… not by bloody war, but by infiltration. You know, spying, blackmailing, bribing, threatening, setting people up. THEY are traitors. THEY are the corrupt gov officials in violation of the US Constitution. THEY have infiltrated and corrupted both sides of the isle. THEY steal from the people. THEY rig elections all over the world. THAT traffick humans with our tax money. THEY conspire with foreign govs. THEY stage riots, protest, and stupid color revolutions all over the world. THEY staged the capitol riots. How’s THAT for truth??? Corrupt fbi officials were caught on zoom calls talking about how they would do it and frame Trump supporters.

These are YOUR people. Self-identified SOCIALIST. This is YOUR revolution happening right now and you don’t even see it.

They've always had the power, they just didnt have total control. Now that they've bough up your entire country with fake IOU's they can start pushing you around more.

Therefore they achieved this infiltration with? Capital!! Lots and lots of capital!!

Yes the Federal Reserve goes against the constitution. It is the very foundation of your "successful" capitalist system you praise, except there is nothing capitalist about a global credit monopoly!

These are not MY people. These are your GREEDY capitalists who will stop at nothing till they own all the world!!

 

[wiseones2cents]

That is Socialism Stage I talk.

How will you get their money?

I wont need it. I can make all the money I want tax, debt and interest free.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

I get invited to many things by rich and poor alike.

Want to debate the parting of the Red Sea?

You lack debate tools

 

[DeSanto]

IYou call socialisms corrupt! Yet ignore the fact that capitalism is 10X more corrupt. I'm advocating for a MUCH less corrupt system. Not fueled by greed.

By any means necessary? Yea, I know.

Yes people can be easily corrupted. But those of the Holy Spirit are NOT easily corrupted. Capish?

The socialist utopia is a fantasy. Actually, I would go further to say it’s a diabolical deception. A LIE… from the pits of hell.

Constitutions are only as good as those that interpret it. The elites use it when its in their advantage and ignore it when it's not!

And I suppose you image all the elites are………. Capitalist! What a shocker!

I think the problem here is you are unaware of the socialist system I promote. It doesn't need to take what isnt there's because everything its co-owned.

You promote a fantasy. The reality of the system you promote is much more grim than you are willing to admit.

Now as far as Socialism? I too was a small business owner. The cost of doing business is WAY more than it should be, and the reason for that is capitalism and capitalist collusion with government. I will start a thread when I have time explaining my socialism. I've posted it many times.

How many socialisms are there? It seems there’s one for each ideologue out there.

They have authority because the majority of the population is cowards. The reason they are afraid is because the authority uses fear tactics and threat of imprisonment, loss of your job and or fines to keep the people in line.

I see many socialist doing exactly that! Hello? Where’s is your insight? I keep looking to see if you have some, but so far it seems non-existent.

Agreed.

The answer is no.

Then I fear you, my friend, will not make it in the socialist utopia. You will be deemed a threat to the “greater good” and disposed of accordingly.

ANYTHING that happens will be because you allowed it. You think the people need the constitution to be armed? If the MAJORITY of people will it, it can't be taken away. How will they confiscate your guns? Using fear tactics and coercion as I noted above.

The socialist controlled president select has already informed us. We got guns, they got nukes and fighter jets… so. Apparently using nukes on their own people isn’t off the table.

Are you not familiar with the term "revolution"??? Look it up.

Forceable overthrow of the government.

LMAO!! What would you do with dissidents? Or hooligans came to your business and acted in a way that is counter to you running your establishment? Throw out the welcome mat?

What have they been doing to socialist dissidents wanting to start a revolution??? They let them talk their garbage and look stupid. What would YOU do?

Nonsense. I am nothing like your greedy capitalist.

You’re right! If you want to start a revolution against “corrupt officials” and forcibly overthrow the government and lock away people that disagree with you… that makes you WORSE!

LOL. You are AGAIN confusing Fascism and Communism with my meaning of Socialism

I’m just going by what you’ve said.

Depends. There are still laws you must follow. You break them, the majority of the public will call for justice.

So much for protecting minorities. Smh

I can always exile you. If you do something against the law and I punish you, that is not oppression.lol Look up the word in the dictionary.

Maybe you should look up the word dictator in the dictionary.

Well as a partaker of the Holy Spirit, don't you think following Jesus would be my goal?

I don’t follow men nor do I place my trust in them. You would be wise not to, as well.

You know nothing of Jesus!

Conversation over. Goodbye.

 

[wiseones2cents]

By any means necessary? Yea, I know.

You dont thin k capitalism uses any means necessary? You know that power corrupts right? And the more money you have the more power you have, and thus capitalism is MUCH more corrupt.

The socialist utopia is a fantasy. Actually, I would go further to say it’s a diabolical deception. A LIE… from the pits of hell.

WOW! You prefer this world run by the wicked one.LOL Understood.

And I suppose you image all the elites are………. Capitalist! What a shocker!

Of course they are. They are all super rich meaning they have ALOT of capital!

You promote a fantasy. The reality of the system you promote is much more grim than you are willing to admit.

Yawn!

How many socialisms are there? It seems there’s one for each ideologue out there.

How many Christian denominations are there? Socialism is defined differently by different people. To the capitalists it is something to be shunned, because it threatens their lives of luxury off the backs of the working class.

I see many socialist doing exactly that! Hello? Where’s is your insight? I keep looking to see if you have some, but so far it seems non-existent.

They have eyes and cannot see and ears and cannot hear. I wonder why that is? *grin*

Then I fear you, my friend, will not make it in the socialist utopia. You will be deemed a threat to the “greater good” and disposed of accordingly.

If I dont make it to my Utopia it will be because a) The people aren't ready yet for the Kingdom to come or b) I will be deemed a threat to the wicked that rule your world(yet pretend to be good), and they will take me out of the way.

The socialist controlled president select has already informed us. We got guns, they got nukes and fighter jets… so. Apparently using nukes on their own people isn’t off the table.

what is this gibberish? As much as they'd like to use nukes, they can't for many reasons. The main one being they would expose themselves for what they really are. Greedy and wicked.

Forceable overthrow of the government.

Not necessarily forceable. Ever watch Ghandi? Nice movie. Its usually the government that uses force against dissent first.

What have they been doing to socialist dissidents wanting to start a revolution??? They let them talk their garbage and look stupid. What would YOU do?

McCarthism? But its too late now. The commies(not socialists) are taking over.

You’re right! If you want to start a revolution against “corrupt officials” and forcibly overthrow the government and lock away people that disagree with you… that makes you WORSE!

Actually NO! They are advocates of corruption. I for righteousness. Who is worse?LOL

I’m just going by what you’ve said.

Nope. You are just regurgitating capitalist propaganda AKA Lies.

So much for protecting minorities. Smh

Minorities will be protected, as long as they follow the laws of the land. I think its like that in most civilized countries. No?

Maybe you should look up the word dictator in the dictionary.

I dont need to. I am quite familiar with the term.

I don’t follow men nor do I place my trust in them. You would be wise not to, as well.

So your saying I would be wise not to follow Jesus??? You sure you are Christian?

You'd rather follow the rich and greedy capitalists.......

Conversation over. Goodbye.

Yes. its better you cut your loses. You speak of things you know little about.

 

[glenlogie]

LOL. I wouldnt command them to do anything that wasn't in the best interest of the people. Can your capitalist masters say the same?

Yes, my people are the ones who would like to live in a socialist system. Obviously that wouldnt be you.

You are just a ruling class wannabe. But you won't go far with your admitted laziness.

If you had any gumption, why don't you put out a call and see if anyone willingly follows you.

 

[glenlogie]

Ask the author to come to CARM I will educate him. He sounds like a Pharisee. This is just an opinion piece and holds little weight.

You are so comical.