Soft Model of Libertarian Free Will

TomFL

Well-known member
To be willing or not willing to do something means there is no free will not the other way around. We will or not will to do something out of influenced choices.

There is no such thing as libertarian free will and God doing as God pleases has its own parameters. :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay


That still does not make sense

Psa. 115:3 —KJV
“But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.”

LFW is doing what you want
 
That still does not make sense

Psa. 115:3 —KJV
“But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.”

LFW is doing what you want

We can not always do what we want and that is a limitation therefore not "free". You can do better than that.
All things have to be taken in context even what God states. God can not lie and therefore God can not be pleased in that context because it would be against God's will which has its parameters. God can do as he pleases but God can not do all things because he puts a limit on what he can do or not do. :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay
 

TomFL

Well-known member
All things have to be taken in context even what God states. God can not lie and therefore God can not be pleased in that context because it would be against God's will which has its parameters. God can do as he pleases but God can not do all things because he puts a limit on what he can do or not do. :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay
That is not contrary to Libertarian free will

You are working with a faulty definition
 
That is not contrary to Libertarian free will

You are working with a faulty definition
Liberation free will is making choices independently and no one can do that because any influence if it affects us makes us dependent. Try a little harder and you might just quit! :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Liberation free will is making choices independently and no one can do that because any influence if it affects us makes us dependent. Try a little harder and you might just quit! :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay


So God cannot choices independently

Really ?

who do you imagine he is dependent on
 
So God cannot choices independently

Really ?

who do you imagine he is dependent on
God is dependent on the council of his own will, his character, his attributes, his Word and his promises.

God does not have free will and there is no "free" will of any kind. However, for many it is an idol and makes Jesus atonement a mockery! :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay
 

Kampioen

Member
Are you saying man is equal to God?
Man is not God! God did not “create” Gods!
That is a copout answer. It's not our idea that God created us with Libertarian will. No we are not Gods.

And God created us in His image. So something is the same. I conclude that Libertarian choice is part of that image.

And if Libertarian choice is just randomness as you accuse, then we are just as predetermined as Calvinists because we would have no control over a one track domino effect, which is in essence what you claim God's own decisions are.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
God is dependent on the council of his own will, his character, his attributes, his Word and his promises.

God does not have free will and there is no "free" will of any kind. However, for many it is an idol and makes Jesus atonement a mockery! :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay
Really

Who or what determines him ?
 
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