That is kinda odd. Would you point out a few in particular? Especially the ones who embrace all others as part of the body?
Thanks.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you want me to point out. Doctrines? Denominations? Would you elaborate on what you are asking a bit more? Thanks.
Correct. I would think the RCC is on the side with those who have free will and can freely respond to the call?
I believe so, yes.
I don't know why. It seems to me that such mutually exclusive doctrines would preclude them from accepting one another. It is illogical to me. If someone believes that all men were preselected by God before time began and another believes that man has free will and all who choose to follow God's plan of salvation are saved, how can they be in fellowship or think that the other one is part of the body of the saved while disagreeing on such a fundamental doctrine?
Just Lutherans, or are there others?
There are others.
They do believe once one is saved they must be baptized and only by submersion.
It is no more a NT immersion than swimming. If you aren't going under the water for the right reason, you aren't obeying God, you're just getting wet.
Since I was baptized RC, as an infant, to many it's not legit.
And yet they will still call you saved as long as you just believe. A serious inconsistency.
Yep.
Interesting.
True.
That's Eschatology.
Yup.
Jesus founded one church. He presented it with instructions through the inspired writers of the New Testament, gave them a pattern for salvation, for worship, for organization, for doctrine. That one church is identifiable by having all and only those things that Jesus taught about His one church. Churches who teach different things on salvation, for example, can't both be the one church Jesus built. At least one of them is wrong, a man made fake that people are joining and thinking they are saved when in fact they are not. And yet so many of them teach so many different things but all say that each other are going to Heaven, that it doesn't matter which church you belong to (even though Christ died for only one, His Bride). It's like they are blind to what the concept of the church really is. Christ is not a polygamist.
So, none of them may have baptism correct?
Christ taught specific things about baptism in the NT. Anyone who teaches different, doesn't have it correct. They are teaching man's ideas on baptism. The church Jesus built, the one He died for, the one that is His Bride? That church understands the nature and purpose of baptism correctly, implements it properly.
The RCC Church said this would happen.
Ironically, since they are the first division from the original church about 300 years after it was founded.
I think it's important if you would point a couple of these out.
Talking about what doctrines the denominations get correct? Okay.
There are a number of denominations that teach free will is real and not just simulated.
There are a number of denominations that teach that we are to worship with congregational a capella singing.
There are a number of denominations that teach we are to worship each first day of the week, particularly to partake of the Lord's Supper.
There are a number of denominations that teach only men may have positions of authority within the church.
There are a number of denominations that teach (though less so that actually practice) that the Bible is the only authority in spiritual matters.
There are a number of denominations that teach that the office of Apostle was for the first period only, for the purpose of establishing the church and was not an office that had successors.
There are a number of denominations that teach that local congregations should be autonomous in terms of earthly authority and only united under Christ.
There are a number of denominations that teach that faith, repentance, and confession are necessary for salvation.
There are a number of denominations that teach that once someone becomes a Christian, they can rebel against God and be lost again.
I hope this is what you were asking me to point out.
Hmmm, interesting. Would you point out a couple of these doctrines?
Just read the list above and then consider the opposite of that.
What kind of faith do you think demons have? And how does it compare?
And which doctrine or doctrines are of demons?
I believe demons have a faith that is based in knowing the truth about Jesus, even to the point of confessing who He is (Matt. 8:29), but without obedience to the gospel plan of salvation. They know who Jesus is, know what is coming for them, and yet they refuse to obey Jesus as King, submit to His will. Their faith, their knowledge and trust in who Jesus is and what He is is not coupled with obedience.
Those who say they are saved by faith alone are saved by faith that is not coupled with obedience. They are saved by a faith that knows Christ, trusts Christ is who He is, will do what He says, but a faith says I don't have to obey before God saves me, my belief is enough. I don't actually have to submit to do, to act, according to God's commands before He saves me.
Both faiths are dead because of this lack of obedience, lack of submission. It's dead because it's alone, separated from obedience. Its the same kind of faith.
Doctrines of demons are any doctrines that are contrary to the doctrines of Christ. If Christ says through the inspired writer "baptism does also now save you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" then the demonic doctrine is "baptism doesn't save you". If Christ says that a man is made free from sin when he obeys from the heart that pattern of doctrine God gave him then the demonic doctrine says you are saved before and without obedience. If Christ says that "not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will enter into the kingdom, but he that does the will of my Father which is in Heaven", then the demonic doctrine is "you don't have to do anything to enter the kingdom and in fact, you can't do anything to enter the kingdom". Anything that teaches something other than what the Bible teaches is a doctrine of demons.
Which you say is the RCC?
Heh, no, not at all. I believe it is the church of Christ. (You can see a lot of what I'm talking about over in
that forum.)
I hope that answers all your questions. If I missed anything, please let me know.
In Truth and Love.