SavedByTheLord
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Sounds very subtle'
What is you answer? I already know the
I never said that the OP was
Some believe that God predestines all things. If that is so who killed Abel?
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SavedByTheLord
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In fact, if God predestines all evil, did David have Uriah killed? I mean he was just the weapon.
I will say that God is not the source of all lies and all evil.
I will say that God is not the source of all lies and all evil.
Theo1689
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Yes.
He willfully wanted Uriah killed because he lusted after his wife.
This should be obvious.
And once again, you reject God's word, the Bible:
Isa. 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Eccl. 7:13 Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight,
which he hath made crooked?
See also Gen. 50:20, Isa. 10:5-7, and Acts 4:27-28.
SavedByTheLord
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Actually the word of God disagrees with you. Satan is the father of lies not Jesus Christ.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. - John 8:44
Theo1689
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No, actually, it doesn't.
Wow. You finally figured this out, Einstein?!
Nobody has claimed that Jesus Christ is "the father of lies" (except for you, of course).
So you CONTINUE to misrepresent me.
Repent!
SavedByTheLord
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Do you believe that God predestines all lies?
Theo1689
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SavedByTheLord
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do you believe in freewill?
Theo1689
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"Free will" is unBiblical.
And if you had actually READ Paul's epistles, as you actually claimed, you would know that:
Rom. 6:16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.
One is either "slave to sin", or "slave to righteousness".
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Inability.
Rom. 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Inability.
1Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Inability.
SavedByTheLord
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But the Bible has “freewill” 17 times so it is Biblical
Yodas_Prodigy
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To answer the Troll, it is best to say that everyone has a free-will that is guided by their nature... He can't connect the dots otherwise...
SavedByTheLord
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No name calling is not called for
Yodas_Prodigy
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It is best to speak the truth at all times... You have an agenda proven by your many posts. You do not have interest in discussion. You are a troll...
Theo1689
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Yes, it's a very nuanced discussion, that Arminians want to be black-and-white.
We are free to act according to our nature.
That's why lions, when given a choice between steak and salad, will never choose salad.
Theo1689
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Only in terms of voluntary offerings, NEVER in the context of man's relationship with God.
But clearly you don't care about CONTEXT in the least.
More's the pity.
this was not a freewill offering
Ezra 7:13 (ASV) — 13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and their priests and the Levites, in my realm, that are minded of their own free will to go to Jerusalem, go with thee.
nor this
Philemon 14 (ASV) — 14 but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.
ability
John 6:45 (ASV) — 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard from the Father, and hath learned, cometh unto me.
John 1:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Ability
John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
men will be able to believe based on the apostle's testimony
John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name
and through scripture
Romans 10:17 (UASV) — 17 So faith comes from hearing and hearing through the word of Christ.
and hearing
ability
Ephesians 3:4–11 (NIV) — 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. 7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.
Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
Reformedguy
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Tom now has a echo......
I always had one. It's called the bible
Reformedguy
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