True, but why would He try to extract a confession by starting off with this question? He could have been more direct by asking “What is this you have done” (which He did end up asking). Was He not making a point about a separation that now existed between Him and man?No. God was seeking a Confession...
Sounds right. God often condescends and gets on a knee like speaking to a little child, in order to communicate to us. On our level. Like asking us what we're doing when he knows we have our hand in the cookies...True, but why would He try to extract a confession by starting off with this question? He could have been more direct by asking “What is this you have done” (which He did end up asking). Was He not making a point about a separation that now existed between Him and man?
This is slightly off topic, but you’re using Paul’s words in 1 Cor. 2:6-16 to make a point that Paul isn’t making. The way to become “spiritual” as Paul uses the term is not just by becoming a Christian, but a mature Christian. This becomes apparent in 3:1 when he transitions by saying “And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ.” He equivocates a babe in Christ with a carnal man.Spirit relates to spiritual things , understanding them which can only happen via the new birth . Those who are dead spiritually cannot respond , comprehend or experience Spiritual truth as Paul says it’s foolishness to them.
I think I can best answer your question by asking another question. When Adam sinned and God came to him in Gen. 3:9 asking “Where are you,” was God seeking information?
Because the idea is relationship not space
Read bdag and the other lexicon definitions which prove I'm correct.Sorry the issue was not Lazarus was nekros but was his story used as an analogy for spiritual death
The answer to that is no
Lazarus was physically dead
There is nothing wrong with being Well-Rounded...Romans 7:24-25 might be helpful in this discussion....
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
When did you determine a lexicon supercedes the authority of scriptureRead bdag and the other lexicon definitions which prove I'm correct.
Original Word: νεκρός, ά, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Phonetic Spelling: (nek-ros')
Usage: (a) adj: dead, lifeless, subject to death, mortal, (b) noun: a dead body, a corpse.
3498 nekrós (an adjective, derived from nekys, "a corpse, a dead body") – dead; literally, "what lacks life"; dead; (figuratively) not able to respond to impulses, or perform functions ("unable, ineffective, dead, powerless," L & N, 1, 74.28); unresponsive to life-giving influences (opportunities); inoperative to the things of God.
νεκρός, ά, όν
A. as adj. (perh. as early as Hom., certainly Pind.; in Ath. only R. title)
1. pert. to being in a state of loss of life, dead, of pers.:
2. pert. to being so morally or spirtually deficientas to be in effect dead, dead, fig. ext. of 1
a. of pers. [...] Eph 2:1, 5; Col 2:13.
b. of things ν. ἔργα dead works that cannot bring eternal life
3. pert. to having never been alive and lacking capacity for life, dead, lifeless
B. as subst.
1. one who is no longer physically alive, dead person, a dead body, a corpse, lit.
2. one who is so spiritually obtuse as to be in effect dead, dead
Conclusion: I rest my case end of the discussion of the definition of nekros. So far all the anti C’s are 100% wrong according to the Greek Lexicons where we get out definition of biblical words.
Death means a complete loss of all stimuli.When did you determine a lexicon supercedes the authority of scripture
Scripture refutes your view
The church at Sardis was not bereft of all stimuli
The prodigal son neither
nor Adam and Eve
those are the facts
You are still ignoring scriptureDeath means a complete loss of all stimuli.
Now you figure out how to apply that to both the physical and spiritual worlds. It fits PERFECTLY into my theology. Dead means dead- NO LIFE. No stimuli for the physical dead, no stimuli for the spiritual dead. Dead means what it means DEAD/ LIFELESS.
CORSPE- SPIRITUAL CORPSE.
Can you picture a spiritual zombie ?
oxymoron anyone ?
And I can say the same thing to you. Dead means without life regardless if its spiritual or physical. So there is no way a dead person ( spiritually or physically) can receive either spiritual or physical stimuli.You are still ignoring scripture
Read bdag and the other lexicon definitions which prove I'm correct. nekros: dead Original Word: νεκρός, ά, όν Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: nekros Phonetic Spelling: (nek-ros') Definition: dead Usage: (a) adj: dead, lifeless, subject to death, mortal, (b) noun: a dead body, a...forums.carm.org
If you actually addressed the scriptures I gave you and were able to disprove the argument from them you might have a caseAnd I can say the same thing to you. Dead means without life regardless if its spiritual or physical. So there is no way a dead person ( spiritually or physically) can receive either spiritual or physical stimuli.
You must change the definition and then TWIST scripture to make a spiritually dead person able to receive spiritual stimuli. You WERE DEAD in your trespasses and sins when what ?
GOD MADE YOU ALIVE. From what ? the DEAD- spiritually via regeneration. See Ephesians and Colossians chapters 2 for that EXACT concept , words, illustration, analogy etc.............
And it boggles my mind how some would redefine the meaning of the word dead to its exact opposite where a spiritually dead "corpse" can respond to stimuli.Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body, and spiritual death is the separation of the soul from God. You don’t want to mess with the second death, I promise you. And the way you escape the second death is to be born twice.
As a bona fide member of the Keep It Simple Stupid Club I like to go with "when you're dead inside, spiritually dead you can't please God. The good news is, where sin abounds grace abounds much more. Our salvation flows from God's initiative. He sends his Holy Spirit that sets the captives from sin and death free. It's God that breathes spiritual life into us and resurrects us from spiritual death., dead in sin.
One of the things about being dead is you can't do anything, God has to do it for us. So that being said when we are dead inside and we don't have 1 ounce of spiritual life in us we stay that way until God makes us alive.
It's a plain and simple fact that without rebirth no one will come to Christ. But all who are reborn do come to Christ. It's that irresistible grace thingy.
So in line with keeping it simple I'll do some reiterate'en:
People that are dead to the things of God stay dead to the things of God unless God makes the first move as only he can make them alive. Those whom God makes alive, come alive. Salvation is of the Lord.
Wanted dead or alive, 1 John 2:9–11 breakdown
“If you say you are in the light experiencing the life of God, yet you continually hate your brother, only one conclusion can be drawn: You are still in darkness, the realm of spiritual death and moral corruption, evil and wickedness. You still belong to the Devil.” Verse 10 provides the contrast: “If you are consistently loving your brother, you continually abide in light and give evidence that you have the life of God in you.”
Moral of the story is if you have the life of God in you... Act like it! We don't want to be caught dead doing that double minded man boogie.
Man made theology. This is nonsensical and ridiculous in context to the Scripture.
θάνατος / thanatos is a reckoning of "death" upon those who are physically alive. As being "physically alive", any "physically alive" person can respond the the Gospel. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation
I’ll get back with you tonightI've tried to engage you at a meaningful level to deal with the issue.
It is a false comparison. If you will engage, I will show you it is.
I'm not BIAS at all. I am concern how your belief reflect upon the Character of God. I think too much of Him to believe God is like a man with a magnifying glass burning whomever "He" chooses when "HE" chooses.
Dead people do NOTHING. However, Death is a reckoning upon people that are physically alive. As a person who is physically alive, they hear and process the Gospel. I can prove this if you will engage on the use of θάνατος / thanatos. Paul applied the use to himself while in Christ.
That's what I'm talking about!Nothing complicated to understand. The person is not dead. As being not physically dead, they CAN hear and obey the Gospel.
Doesn't the Gospel tell a person what to do? Are you denying this?
If you're trying to show inability, there is nothing here about inability. A person is preached the Gospel and they can do exactly what the Gospel tells them to do. The Gospel presents the remedy for their condition.
Quote exactly where Paul said that. That is you addition. Paul never said such nonsense.
Then why are you saying a person has to be "born again" before they can respond to the Gospel. You just said that the Gospel...... IS.... the power of God unto Salvation.
Why are YOU adding to the Scriptures a requirement that is not there?