Sulfur balls (brimstone) found at Sodom & Gomorrah

[The Pixie]

What do you think humility is?

Part of it would be being able to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong to an atheist.

You keep making it about how stupid I am, and how smart you are, so I'm going to take you seriously..... why?

I have given up on you taking me seriously. This is really about why no one should ever take YOU seriously Steve.

You lost the argument about PET scans, supposedly your favourite subject, saying positrons bounce off electrons. Elsewhere you have said the big bang started with two atoms collided. You think native sulfur can survive when sulfur is combusted. All this despite claiming to have done physics in college.

I am not claiming I am smart Steve; I do not have to be to spot your errors. But you are right about the other bit.

 

[SteveB]

Part of it would be being able to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong to an atheist.

Did you read my post?

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I have given up on you taking me seriously. This is really about why no one should ever take YOU seriously Steve.

It's a pity you've given up so easily, I took atheists seriously for well over 15 years. Even when it became clear that they didn't want to be taken seriously. And there are some I still take seriously.
Those who've become argumentative, I'm weary of them.
This who Jesus thing is not an argument. You either come, and learn for yourself, or remain ignorant.
God is a far more gracious individual than I have patience for. And after 20 years, I think I've done pretty good.

You lost the argument about PET scans, supposedly your favourite subject, saying positrons bounce off electrons. Elsewhere you have said the big bang started with two atoms collided. You think native sulfur can survive when sulfur is combusted. All this despite claiming to have done physics in college.

Qunatum Mechanics Text for upper division University course

For anyone who's actually interested in what we used in the university for an upper division course on Quantum Mechanics. http://gr.xjtu.edu.cn/c/document_library/get_file?p_l_id=21699&folderId=2383652&name=DLFE-82647.pdf From David Griffiths.

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I am not claiming I am smart Steve; I do not have to be to spot your errors. But you are right about the other bit.

Your tactics say otherwise.

When you're done trying to win an argument, and actually want to know--- call on the name of Jesus.

 

[Nouveau]

Did you read my post?

Do you have the humility to admit when you are wrong?

 

[SteveB]

Do you have the humility to admit when you are wrong?

Do you?
I just went through the 13 pages of the build a fence. I then went through your post history. 20 pages worth. I then went back through the build a fence thread.
Nothing.
You know what I did find.... a lot of you berating me, because I didn't use critical thinking skills the way you thought they should be used, but never actually defined what those are.

So..... At this point, I have to wonder...... how desperate are you that you'd play a game you hoped you'd win, and not get caught at?

 

[Nouveau]

Do you?
I just went through the 13 pages of the build a fence. I then went through your post history. 20 pages worth. I then went back through the build a fence thread.
Nothing.
You know what I did find.... a lot of you berating me, because I didn't use critical thinking skills the way you thought they should be used, but never actually defined what those are.

So..... At this point, I have to wonder...... how desperate are you that you'd play a game you hoped you'd win, and not get caught at?

Must be embarrassing for you then to be so incompetent at the simple task of reading a thread.

I've already bumped the thread quoting the answer you wrongly said I never gave. An answer I've already linked you to several times.

Will your ego allow you to show humility and admit your mistake?

 

[Bob1]

The Oil Patch.

Crude oil traders refer to sweet and sour crude. Sour has a lot of sulfur. Not close to pure.

You're not an oilman, are you?... Mr.Cowboy-commodore

 

[Tiburon]

Only location on Earth where brimstone is found with 96-98% purity (40% elsewhere). It's highly flammable and expels toxic fumes.

Nothing to support the site being Sodom or Gomorrah.

 

[inertia]

What is the purity of sulfur in Texas and Louisiana? It is described as native sulfur, so I assume pretty high (more than, say, 70%).

Also, as far as I know, the locations of Sodom and Gomorrah are not know, so kind of odd this guy can be sure these sulfur stones come from there.

Also, if it happened as the Bible describes, the sulfur would no longer be in its native form. As you say, sulfur is "highly flammable". The destruction of a city by fire and brimstone is going to lead to all the brimstone (i.e., sulfur) being consumed in the fire. The fact that there is native sulfur proves this cannot be Sodom or Gomorrah

It's my understanding that debate about the location of Sodom, in particular, is converging on a single archeological dig based on hard-cold data. For example, a change in the water level of the Dead Sea between the Bronze and Iron ages shows that the water level peaked about 3700 years before the present (~1700 BC) and suddenly dropped leaving behind a much dryer region.



Also, carbonized grain within vessels that were shoved into the sides of walls intermixed with bricks along with sherds of pottery melting in less than a few milliseconds between 8000 - 12000 deg. C. This includes additional melted mud bricks that have been found at the Tall el-Hamman Excavation Site in Jordan. Radiocarbon dating of the carbonized grain performed in the United States provides a 1700 BC timeframe.


The picture above shows a sample collection for radiocarbon dating.

As far as I am aware today, an exploding meteor's shock wave impacting a 500 sq. km area is consistent with the data provided.

"The answer lies in the soil, according to the researchers. Six samples from above, through, and below the soil layer from the time of the event were analyzed geochemically. The results showed "salt and sulfate levels > 6 percent (60,000 ppm) in the ash layer and > 5 percent (50,000 ppm) in the soil layers immediately above and below the ash layer," according to the paper."


This is a photograph of vessels that were shoved into a wall with the carbonized grain.

"There is other evidence that supports the air burst theory behind Tall el-Hammam. Meteor air burst sites like Chelyabinsk and Tunguska have the same signatures of meteor air burst that Tall el-Hammam has. These include high levels of platinum, a high incidence of magnetic spherules, and also a high incidence of what are known as scoria-like objects (SLOs)"


Here is a photograph of a portion of the melted brick at Tall el-Hammam.

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Credit: Dr. Stephen Collins et al.

 

[The Pixie]

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As far as I am aware today, an exploding meteor's shock wave impacting a 500 sq. km area [/FONT]is consistent with the data provided.
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That sounds entirely plausible to me.

 

[inertia]

That sounds entirely plausible to me.

Indeed. Based on the description in Genesis 13: 1-12, a person should be able to view a well-watered area from the foothills. It was land similar to Egypt -at that time- and people traveling this route would have viewed the Jordan running through it. Lot's travel route from Bethel and Ai located a bit north of Jericho to the west when moving eastward toward Sodom and Gomorrah provides a direction.




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Map credit: Dr. Steven Collins

 

[J regia]

That sounds entirely plausible to me.

The story of Lot's wife, however, is more akin to a volcanic eruption which occurred over a longer period of time than an exploding meteor or the impact of a meteorite or an asteroid, where she is encased in volcanic ash while fleeing the area like the bodies at Pompeii.

The Casts - Pompeii Sites

During the excavations in Pompeii, the remains of over one thousand victims of the 79 AD eruption have been found. During the first phase of the eruption, those who hadn’t left the city in time were trapped in their homes or shelters, buried by a shower of pumice stones and lapilli or killed by...

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[J regia]

Indeed. Based on the description in Genesis 13: 1-12, a person should be able to view a well-watered area from the foothills. It was land similar to Egypt -at that time- and people traveling this route would have viewed the Jordan running through it. Lot's travel route from Bethel and Ai located a bit north of Jericho to the west when moving eastward toward Sodom and Gomorrah provides a direction.


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Map credit: Dr. Steven Collins

But even if the story in Gen 19 describes the impact of an asteroid or a meteorite or an exploding meteor near the Jordan River, it was still just an insignificant minor event compared to the event that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

 

[inertia]

But even if the story in Gen 19 describes the impact of an asteroid or a meteorite or an exploding meteor near the Jordan River, it was still just an insignificant minor event compared to the event that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

The Sodomites wouldn't have understood the significance of the Cretaceous-Tertiary (K-T) boundary if they looked at it. Iridium wasn't in their vocabulary. Even if they understood, and their knowledge was long lost, I suspect their indulgence with sexual immorality (pursuing unnatural desire) would have continued. Their doom was sealed. The meteor's vector wasn't going to change.

 

[J regia]

The Sodomites wouldn't have understood the significance of the Cretaceous-Tertiary (K-T) boundary if they looked at it. Iridium wasn't in their vocabulary. Even if they understood, and their knowledge was long lost, I suspect their indulgence with sexual immorality (pursuing unnatural desire) would have continued. Their doom was sealed. The meteor's vector wasn't going to change.

And the dinosaurs fate was sealed too since the asteroid's vector wasn't going to change, and unlike tiny meteors, it didn't just burn up in the atmosphere.

The only sexual immorality described in that story, however, is when Lot sexually assaulted the future wives of his sons in law after he tried to pimp them and mocked his sons in law when they wanted to know what Lot was up to with the two blokes he picked down town (Gen 19).

And why didn't Abraham's god condemn him for having a sexual relationship with his sister Sarah and committing adultery with Hagar when they shared a non kosher meal together and had a face to face discussion about the number righteous children in Gomorrah before the god walked down to count them (Gen 18)?

 

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The geological discussion aside the whole biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is precisely that. A story.

 

[J regia]

The geological discussion aside the whole biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is precisely that. A story.

And if the story is based on an actual event then it was probably based on a volcanic eruption such as Santorini, and not a short event of only a minute or so from a bursting meteorite or asteroid.