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Martin23233

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It doesn't converge on goals, it converges on biological functions. Try getting the two straight in your head.

Because those genes don't perform the functions in the ancestor that they do in the descendant. This is really, really, really basic.

Ah yes, the oddly prolonged death throes of Darwinism...I was told about them in highschool too. Probably about the time your grandarents got hitched.

Ah yes, I'm glad to see that you understand that the reason pelagic predatory fish have different eyes than pelagic predatory squid is....oh wait, you didn't answer that. Isn't that a surprise!
nice dodging .... and yet you can't drag yourself away from the darinian evo... to admit that the the science shows that the genes existed long before they were expressed in form.... now how can blind slow random evo account for that? Try again?

and yes squid and humans have the same basic gene structure for the eye..... I totally posted the link which you seemed to be unable to comprehend.... typical evo.
 

Algor

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nice dodging .... and yet you can't drag yourself away from the darinian evo... to admit that the the science shows that the genes existed long before they were expressed in form.... now how can blind slow random evo account for that? Try again?

I just did. Try again.
and yes squid and humans have the same basic gene structure for the eye..... I totally posted the link which you seemed to be unable to comprehend.... typical evo.
They have different eyes though. Why do they have different eyes? (I'll give you a hint: all vertebrates have one sort of eye, and all squid have another.....care to guess why that is? Give it a shot!)
 

Martin23233

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More strawmanning garbage. I never said anything about evolution itself having concepts or intelligence.
but you in fact did say it blindly stumbles upon 'similar solutions'.... lol now let's see you explain your new 'similar solutions' problem. You see you need guidance for both ... concluding similarity... and coming to a 'solution' .... you seem to be front-loading the answer and you don't even comprehend it. best you just step back and think before typing ...you will be more believable (maybe) SMH... similar solutions... and you can't even explain that one... just that it must be. too funny
 

Algor

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but you in fact did say it blindly stumbles upon 'similar solutions'.... lol now let's see you explain your new 'similar solutions' problem. You see you need guidance for both ... concluding similarity... and coming to a 'solution' .... you seem to be front-loading the answer and you don't even comprehend it. best you just step back and think before typing ...you will be more believable (maybe) SMH... similar solutions... and you can't even explain that one... just that it must be. too funny
"High resolution three dimennsional vision provides a selective advantage" is not "guidance". LOL.
 

Martin23233

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One has to ask .... why do the Evo-Devo cabal now run from answering scientific questions like .... how does evolution account for specific gene existence millions of years before it's expression? the gene for legs/arms existed long before any legs or arms were found....yet they magically and faithfully believe in the slow random development of features that they can't even account for the creation of...... what a faith filled church they live in ... God Bless them
 

Martin23233

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"High resolution three dimennsional vision provides a selective advantage" is not "guidance". LOL.
then step up and do what no other A/mat here is able to .... show how evolution front-loaded the PAX6 gene into life.... long (millions of years) before it was even expressed..... seems like some intelligence was needed... because now we all know that random blind dumb luck was not the cause.
 

Martin23233

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Which it does.


Nope. No guidance required.
and yet you can't even explain how or why the genes needed for life's eyes ... limbs ...etc were already front-loaded long before the evo-devo need for them arose. shoot I'd have more respect for you if you at least admitted that much...and said it was just some unknown aspect of evolution not yet understood...... yet you just wallow in your faith of lacking
 

Martin23233

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Another miss by the Atheist/materialist scientists..... they tried ..but failed again... just too funny how ignorant and easily exposed they are ..they had to retract their life's work ... LMAO...


Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
John 11:25-26
 
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Nouveau

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and yet you can't even explain how or why the genes needed for life's eyes ... limbs ...etc were already front-loaded long before the evo-devo need for them arose. shoot I'd have more respect for you if you at least admitted that much...and said it was just some unknown aspect of evolution not yet understood...... yet you just wallow in your faith of lacking
You bounce between topics like a hyperactive ping pong ball.
 

J regia

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you seem to bluff too much... your own wording / sentence structure shows you have little advanced education. ... Oh by the way ... I am the leader of the world ( just playing along but felt the need to trump your silliness)
and if you were who you now claim you are .. you would have known that Triticale was manufactured in a lab. we now all know your game bluffer.
And you still can't show us any evidence to support your claim that the genus Tritosecale was manufactured from laboratory chemicals or from the straw which you are try to grasp.
 

Algor

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then step up and do what no other A/mat here is able to .... show how evolution front-loaded the PAX6 gene into life.... long (millions of years) before it was even expressed.....
Not quite, dear. Pax6 is found in bilaterian metazoans. A distinct gene (PaxB) with similar molecular function is in more basal metazoa, including sponges WHICH DON'T HAVE EYES but do have photoreceptors.PaxB is also expressed in Cnidaria, but they require the participation of OTHER transcription factors to make functional eyes

Behold: Eyeless metazoa express a gene, which is co-opted for eye formation one way (through preserved PaxB-like sequence) in Cnidaria, and another way (after modification to Pax6) in bilataria. No front loading needed: the eyeless creature required a photoreceptor function, but dores not have an eye.

Now: why do all pelagic predatory fish have DIFFERENT EYES than all pelagic predatory squid?
 

Martin23233

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And you still can't show us any evidence to support your claim that the genus Tritosecale was manufactured from laboratory chemicals or from the straw which you are try to grasp.
Too easy : From Wiki- Triticale (/trɪtɪˈkeɪliː/; × Triticosecale) is a hybrid of wheat (Triticum) and rye (Secale) first bred in laboratories during the late 19th century in Scotland and Germany.
can you refute Wiki? or just make more silly claims that you are smart.
 

Martin23233

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Not quite, dear. Pax6 is found in bilaterian metazoans. A distinct gene (PaxB) with similar molecular function is in more basal metazoa, including sponges WHICH DON'T HAVE EYES but do have photoreceptors.PaxB is also expressed in Cnidaria, but they require the participation of OTHER transcription factors to make functional eyes

Behold: Eyeless metazoa express a gene, which is co-opted for eye formation one way (through preserved PaxB-like sequence) in Cnidaria, and another way (after modification to Pax6) in bilataria. No front loading needed: the eyeless creature required a photoreceptor function, but dores not have an eye.

Now: why do all pelagic predatory fish have DIFFERENT EYES than all pelagic predatory squid?
silly boy.... try reading with comprehension:

and understand that PAXb and all PAX genes are existent before the need for 'photo receptors' or complex eyes. now why would that be?
 
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Algor

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silly boy.... try reading with comprehension:
Already read, and replied to. You aren't answering the question: squid and fish have different eye structures.
Squid eyes have different photoreceptor morphology, retinal architecture, innervation, corneal structure, oculomotor apparatus and development. Nobody (who knew anything about microscopy) looking down the microscope at a section of a squid eye would confuse it with a vertebrate eye. Both act as pinhole cameras with lenses, but their development and architecture is very different.
All squids have the same basic eye structure, and all fish have a different one. Further: all mammalian eyes have the same basic structure as fish eyes. In fact, NO vertebrate eye has the same structure as a squid eye. Why is that, child? Do you need a hint?
 

J regia

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Too easy : From Wiki- Triticale (/trɪtɪˈkeɪliː/; × Triticosecale) is a hybrid of wheat (Triticum) and rye (Secale) first bred in laboratories during the late 19th century in Scotland and Germany.
can you refute Wiki? or just make more silly claims that you are smart.
And perhaps you should ask your Sunday School teacher or an intelligent banana to explain to you the definition of the word "evolution" and how the genus Tritosecale evolved from the genus Triticum and the genus Secale by cross fertilization, and was not manufactured from laboratory chemicals as you falsely claim, or by an intelligent banana waving a magic wand.
 
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Martin23233

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Already read, and replied to. You aren't answeriung the question: squids and fish have different eye structures.
Squid eyes have different photoreceptor morphology, retinal architecture, innervation, corneal structure, oculomotor apparatus and development. Nobody (who knew anything about microscopy) looking down the microscope at a section of a squid eye would confuse it with a verttebrate eye. Both act as pinhole cameras with lenses, but their development and architecture is very different.
All squids have the same basic eye structure, and all fish have a different one. Further: all mammalian eyes have the same basic structure as fish eyes. In fact, NO vertebrate eye has the same structure as a squid eye. Why is that, child? Do you need a hint?
you keep dodging the question.... micro evolution can explain the differences in complexity.... but no amount of evolution can explain the coding in the earliest genes that coded for eyes long before they ever appeared (no pun intended)..... maybe you are smart enough or maybe you can phone your socialist prof for help... I'll wait till you google up something
you certainly seem strong in your faith:

 

Martin23233

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And perhaps you should ask your Sunday School teacher or an intelligent banana to explain to you how the genus Tritosecale[/I} evolved from the genus Triticum and the genus Secale, and was not manufactured from laboratory chemicals as you falsely claim or by an intelligent banana waving a magic wand.
you certainly don't seem that smart ..maybe you got your 'claimed' PHD on-line (or maybe you didn't) at all but every scientists knows that Triticale was first manufactured in a lab..... your ignorance is astounding
 

Algor

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you keep dodging the question.... micro evolution can explain the differences in complexity.... but no amount of evolution can explain the coding in the earliest genes that coded for eyes long before they ever appeared (no pun intended).
Why not? Show the math please. In specific, please demonstrate that PaxB could not possibly evolve.
 
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