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Martin23233

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Darwin’s (failed) Predictions – Cornelius G. Hunter – 2015
This paper evaluates 23 fundamental (false) predictions of evolutionary theory from a wide range of different categories. The paper begins with a brief introduction to the nature of scientific predictions, and typical concerns evolutionists raise against investigating predictions of evolution. The paper next presents the individual predictions in seven categories: early evolution, evolutionary causes, molecular evolution, common descent, evolutionary phylogenies, evolutionary pathways, and behavior. Finally the conclusion summarizes these various predictions, their implications for evolution’s capacity to explain phenomena, and how they bear on evolutionist’s claims about their theory.

*Introduction
Why investigate evolution’s false predictions?
Responses to common objections

*Early evolution predictions
The DNA code is not unique
The cell’s fundamental molecules are universal

*Evolutionary causes predictions
Mutations are not adaptive
Embryology and common descent
Competition is greatest between neighbors

*Molecular evolution predictions
Protein evolution
Histone proteins cannot tolerate much change
The molecular clock keeps evolutionary time

*Common descent predictions
The pentadactyl pattern and common descent
Serological tests reveal evolutionary relationships
Biology is not lineage specific
Similar species share similar genes
MicroRNA

*Evolutionary phylogenies predictions
Genomic features are not sporadically distributed
Gene and host phylogenies are congruent
Gene phylogenies are congruent
The species should form an evolutionary tree

*Evolutionary pathways predictions
Complex structures evolved from simpler structures
Structures do not evolve before there is a need for them
Functionally unconstrained DNA is not conserved
Nature does not make leaps

*Behavior
Altruism
Cell death

*Conclusions
What false predictions tell us about evolution
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Martin23233

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Actually, that's exactly what happened. Look up "cdesign proponentsists". ID is merely creationism rebranded.
too funny you can't attack something you don't grasp... time to keep hammering the evo kabal with more data.... you need to update your scripts.... you were taught how to be ignorant to creationists but you can't keep up with ID... as exposed many times by the the gangs confusion over how to respond to ID... most just call it creationism.... and understand little. so we have time. The Pixie is still trying to ignore answering questions so The Pixie gets ignored.
 

Nouveau

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too funny you can't attack something you don't grasp... time to keep hammering the evo kabal with more data.... you need to update your scripts.... you were taught how to be ignorant to creationists but you can't keep up with ID... as exposed many times by the the gangs confusion over how to respond to ID... most just call it creationism.... and understand little. so we have time. The Pixie is still trying to ignore answering questions so The Pixie gets ignored.
Yet another post where you make no effort at all to address the point. An updated script is exactly how it we learned that ID is merely creationism rebranded. You didn't look up "cdesign proponentsists' did you?
 

Martin23233

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ID is creationism in a cheap suit. Yes, they're the same.

" Stephen Hawking,- himself, an avowed atheist and opponent of intelligent design, refers to our universe as “an apparent miracle.”
but here you will hopefully grasp the differences... maybe your parlor trick posts can grasp real data instead of warped agenda?

 

Martin23233

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" Anyone can shout “There is no God!” if they don’t need to ask or answer questions like “How then did human consciousness come to exist?” Or even “How did the universe come to exist?” If the village atheist wants to say that the universe has always existed (is infinite backwards in time), he is going to run into a huge logic problem: Everything that could possibly happen would already have happened, including the fact that we don’t exist. But we do exist. And human consciousness is still the The Hard Problem. "

 

Martin23233

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It is fun debating with the Evos.... at least the honest ones that don't try to dodge questions or mischaracterize statements. One can see the continued patter of denial... dodging and mischaracterizing. Most have no answer for the 'mind' , consciousness, soul, and other qualities that no other creature on earth possesses.... it is fun to watch the evo-devos squirm about trying to contort opinions that show 'just so' stories about how other creatures posses such features but they fail every time....no chimp is writing any book... nor producing any music.... nor producing any art..(unless one counts Hunter Biden)..
 

Whatsisface

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" Anyone can shout “There is no God!” if they don’t need to ask or answer questions like “How then did human consciousness come to exist?” Or even “How did the universe come to exist?”
This is naive. Just because we currently can't answer these questions isnt evidence God was responsible.
If the village atheist wants to say that the universe has always existed (is infinite backwards in time), he is going to run into a huge logic problem:
Only a village creationist would come up with this old cannard that most atheists wouldn't consider.
 

Whatsisface

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It is fun debating with the Evos.... at least the honest ones that don't try to dodge questions or mischaracterize statements. One can see the continued patter of denial... dodging and mischaracterizing. Most have no answer for the 'mind' , consciousness, soul, and other qualities that no other creature on earth possesses.... it is fun to watch the evo-devos squirm about trying to contort opinions that show 'just so' stories about how other creatures posses such features but they fail every time....no chimp is writing any book... nor producing any music.... nor producing any art..(unless one counts Hunter Biden)..
Your rhetoric undermines your credibility, which is at a low point to start with.
 

Nouveau

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" Anyone can shout “There is no God!” if they don’t need to ask or answer questions like “How then did human consciousness come to exist?” Or even “How did the universe come to exist?” If the village atheist wants to say that the universe has always existed (is infinite backwards in time), he is going to run into a huge logic problem: Everything that could possibly happen would already have happened, including the fact that we don’t exist. But we do exist. And human consciousness is still the The Hard Problem. "

Have you read Chalmers' book where he presents the hard problem?

Theism does not provide a solution.
 

Electric Skeptic

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" Stephen Hawking,- himself, an avowed atheist and opponent of intelligent design, refers to our universe as “an apparent miracle.”
but here you will hopefully grasp the differences... maybe your parlor trick posts can grasp real data instead of warped agenda?

ID has already been proven to be creationism in a cheap suit. That ship has well and truly sailed.
 

Martin23233

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ID has already been proven to be creationism in a cheap suit. That ship has well and truly sailed.
LOL you seem to not understand the difference... Sure many IDers are indeed Creationists..as it suits them well.. YEC and OEC alike .. but the truth is that ID does not (at its core) state the designer... it could be GOD... it could be some 'future' us... it could be aliens ... but all it can really do is state that intelligence it the cause through our best science ... here read up ... it helps sometimes to know that one it attempting to refute before they actually make silly statements like you do so often:



 

Martin23233

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Have you read Chalmers' book where he presents the hard problem?

Theism does not provide a solution.
and nor does Evolution prove anything ( heck ..just ask The Pixie... he thinks nothing in science is proven) .. Theism at least provides a solution that life is created... evolution can't get that far as it fails every time.
 

Electric Skeptic

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LOL you seem to not understand the difference... Sure many IDers are indeed Creationists..as it suits them well.. YEC and OEC alike .. but the truth is that ID does not (at its core) state the designer... it could be GOD... it could be some 'future' us... it could be aliens ... but all it can really do is state that intelligence it the cause through our best science ... here read up ... it helps sometimes to know that one it attempting to refute before they actually make silly statements like you do so often:



There isn't a difference. ID was just the latest attempt by creationists to put a scientific front on creationism. It failed because ID isn't scientific either.
 

Electric Skeptic

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and nor does Evolution prove anything ( heck ..just ask The Pixie... he thinks nothing in science is proven) ..
Science doesn't do proof. The fact that you don't know that speaks volumes about how little about science you do know.
Theism at least provides a solution that life is created...
Which is completely useless until/unless it can be proven correct.
evolution can't get that far as it fails every time.
Evolution doesn't even address the origin of life, nor does it try. Blaming it for not explaining something outside its remit is laughable, like blaming chemistry for the Dodgers not leading the NL West.
 

Whatsisface

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Theism at least provides a solution that life is created...
So does life creating pixies. You have to show your explanation is the right one for it to mean anything, which you haven't done.
evolution can't get that far as it fails every time.
This misrepresents as evolution only explains what happens after life starts which is a difeerent process to evolution. You have also been told this many times which makes your post disingenuous.
 

Nouveau

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and nor does Evolution prove anything ( heck ..just ask The Pixie... he thinks nothing in science is proven) .. Theism at least provides a solution that life is created... evolution can't get that far as it fails every time.
Another response that has nothing to do with what you were replying to.
 

Martin23233

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So does life creating pixies. You have to show your explanation is the right one which you haven't done.

This misrepresents as evolution only explains what happens after life starts which is a difeerent process to evolution. You have also been told this many times which makes your post disingenuous.
ID shows that intelligence is behind the design found in all of life ( DNA for the slow folks) ... the code in DNA is nothing that the evo-devos can explain... the best evo's can do is say hey ..it was already there ..


Evolution can't create life... it has no scientific mechanism ... and feigns intelligence out of blind randomness which has yet to even be show scientifically... good thing for better science and ID
 
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