That's what I thought.
your church still teaches that the American Indians came from the Lamanites.
That's not a problem for me. We learn as we grow. If that was your question in the beginning, I'd have no problem with it, but that's not what you said. Yes. The church believed, though I know of no church leader that said it was a God-given fact, nor does it appear that Joseph Smith ever taught it.
So, Smith never taught that the Indians were descendants of the Lamanites?
The fact of this issue is that you are reading into the narrative what you want. It's simply not there. As I stated, everyone is entitled to their opinions but that does not make them facts.
No, I am not. But it does sound as if the NA and SA continents were kept from being populated by anyone but the Jaredites/Nephites.
I must have missed it. Did I post that you were reading into it or are you talking about a different post?
you accused me of claiming you said something you did not. I made no such claim. I was asking you a question, if that is what you really thought about something (paraphrased). I proved conclusively from Mormon writings that what Smith wrote from his hat was supposed to be from God, both in idea and wording, and was correct when he dictated it and the scribes wrote it down exactly as Smith dictated it.. Apparently your god is a lousy speller and doesn't know proper English grammar.
Yep, or something to that effect. But, just in case you forgot what the argument was about. This is the statement I refuted: "Mormon prophets used to teach that all native Americans were Lamanites." Do you see the word "all" in there? Do you know what that means? Does the statement in the forepart of the BoM even come close to making that claim? So, Mormon prophets used to teach that? I'm still waiting. To be clear, we're talking about all native Americans and statements from Mormon prophets (and even Mormon prophets can have opinions. The only time becomes a doctrine of the church is when the prophet says God said it. )
Oh, you mean like when Young said that God revealed to him that Adam was our God? Not trying to change the subject, but that means it was a revelation from God. But after his death, the teaching was dropped. Which means your prophet taught false doctrines and was thus, a false prophet.
As I said, I have no problem that many early Mormons used to believe that all American Indians were Lamanites (and they might actually be, depends on what the Book of Mormon classifies as Lamanites - it's not very clear. I personally suspect that the Lamanites intermingled with the indigenous peoples in the area, diluting the bloodline to a point that all dark-skinned people were considered Lamanites regardless of who their parents were. But that's just my opinion.)
Glad you admit that it is only your personal opinion and not fact. And how convenient that the bloodlines of the indigenous people is too diluted to show up anymore....Of course, the Nephites, Jaredites, and other "ites" of the BoM are fictional ,so the point is moot, anyway.
But the keywords here are "used to". We used to believe the earth was flat and that it was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it and not that it revolved around the Sun.
We are not talking about what people used to think about the universe. We are talking about what your church teaches and taught about the American Indians. So, was Talmadge wrong? Were your early leaders wrong? Misinformed?
Well., there were no Levites, Jaredites, Mulekites, and Nephites to begin with, except in Joseph Smith's fertile imagination, so we are arguing basically about points in a fictitious book. It's like arguing about where Middle Earth was really located in the LORD OF THE RINGS.There are lots of things that we "used to" believe. But it doesn't make it a fact. The fact that there were other indigenous peoples on this continent before Lehi arrived doesn't present any problems for the Book of Mormon. There are no Nephites left. The Lamanites, whoever they were, were like a drop of fresh water in the Pacific ocean. Good luck trying to find it.
In other words, your church again has no proof. It is so much spin-doctoring because of the DNA analysis done of Indians in N., Central, and S. America. American Indians are of the Mongoloid race; Semites like the Jews are Caucasians.Yep. I have to wonder who the other ancestors were. As I said, our leaders are entitled to their opinions. it doesn't make it a fact.