Nonetheless, it DOES remind me of the A-I gymnastics! Do you want to argue about what an article reminds me of?
Surviving Jaredite Names in Mesoamerica
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Bonnie
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Well, certainly not you all.
Again, you missed the point.
Not any Christian on here says Smith got anything right. And I missed no point.
I gave reasonable explanations for those names.
One has to wonder why people think a broken clock keeps good time...I said what I would say.
As I said, one has to wonder how many accidents have to happen before people realize it was no accident.
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Bonnie
Super Member
Adam and Eve messed up.. But it still is not chaos. God is still sovereign.
And your conclusions are wrong. Try again.
Bonnie
Super Member
But Jesus talked about Moses. Seems He thought Moses existed, even without archeological evidence. Same with Abraham. I believe Jesus. Don't you?
But while there is no archeological evidence for EVERYONE mentioned in the Bible, there is SOME evidence for SOME people mentioned in the Bible.
The same cannot be said for the BoM.
Theo1689
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What makes you think he copied it?
Two reasons, mainly:
1) I know how to do a "Google" search;
2) The poster eventually came clean and gave the CITATION for his plagiarism.
(That's kind of the giveaway, don't you think?)
Since there is no such thing as "Jaredites" on this planet, except in the imaginations of "Smithites" this entire thread is bogus, having no value whatsoever.
Magdalena
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Because he did.
What makes you think he copied it?
I seriously doubt that the poster would have recanted had a moderator not intervened.
The whole thing is akin to the adage about lawyers: How do you know that a lawyer is lying? The lawyer's mouth is moving
What sort of "rotten fruit" comes from a cult that permits its followers to plagiarize fiction to prop up the false statements about nonexistent "Jaredites"??.
Bonnie
Super Member
He did, and finally referenced it. The joke's on you.
What makes you think he copied it?
Book of Mormon Traditions Found Only in Mesoamerica by Diane Wirth
AND THEN IT CAME TO PASS
This phrase, or others with a similar wording,appears on a regular basis throughout the Book of Mormon. The phrase “AND THEN IT CAME TO PASS” in its various forms appears many times in Maya hieroglyphs,and is not to be taken lightly for the similarity of literary styles.
3 See Joseph L. Allen, Exploring the Lands of the Book of Mormon (Orem, Utah: S A Publishers, 1989), 31-34.
CHIASMUS CHIASMUS is a literary style that sets phrases in a certain order, has a central idea, and then retraces the wording in the opposite order. This is done in three places that are significant to Latter-day Saints: 1. In the Old Testament, 2. In the Book of Mormon, and 3. In Mesoamerica, more particularly on some of their stone stelae and the Quiché Maya’s Popol Vuh.
10 John W. Welch, ―Chiasmus in the Book of Mormon,‖ in BYU Studies 10:1 (1969), 69-84. For Chiasmus in Mesoamerica, see Robert F. Smith, ―Assessing the Broad Impact of Jack Welch‘s Discovery of Chiasmus in the Book of Mormon,‖ in Journal of Book of Mormon Studies, Vol. 16, No. 2, 2007.
It doesn't matter what people think a word means, as we can see from our arguments with our critics. As far as the words listed here, At the time Joseph Smith was translating, these words had no meaning at all. Our critics used to get all riled over the word Alma, claiming it was a woman's name.
As I said before in the over broad generalized question where you all just can't see evidence if it slapped you in the face, all we need is time and eventually science will catch up.
Here again, we have evidence of the Book of Mormon's authenticity. And if we go with @imJRR comment, we can now say this is "proof" the Book of Mormon is everything it purports to be.
No actual evidence/proof that any truly honest person would acknowledge as being real or true has ever been provided for the BoM being true. You certainly have never provided anything that any honest person would acknowledge as being true in the thread you referenced. The posting history is glaringly clear about that, and you don't have the capacity to imagine how content I am to let readers look over the thread and decide for themselves about it or about the (MAJOR GUFFAW!) "honesty and integrity" of your posts.
Bonnie
Super Member
It also appears in the Bible...surprise!
Magdalena
Well-known member
We’ve talked quite a bit about chiasmus here in the past. It can be found just about everywhere, even in ancient Chinese writings.
Magdalena
Well-known member
And where did you copy that from?
Chiasmus is not inherently Hebrew. It was actually more prominently Greek, but also Roman, Chinese, Aramaic, Babylonian, English, and others.
Shakespeare is full of chiasmus. Copying the writing style of the Bible is not difficult. It’s not proof of the Book of Mormon.
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Magdalena
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So what. And where did you copy that from?
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Bonnie
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That's nice...but it is in the Bible in the OT. So, your glyph proves nothing. Smith just took that phrase from the Bible....and took it....and took it....and took it....and took it.....and took it.....and took it....and took it.....and took it.................................................
Theo1689
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A) "Old King Cole"
..... B) "... was a merry old soul"
..... B) "and a merry old soul"
A) "... was he."
Bonnie
Super Member
Is that a chiasmus? A kind of restating the same thought, only backwards? I never did understand what a chiasmus truly is.
I am sure that you are not familiar with a chi square analysis. It is a statistical tool that people who know statistics use to measures what is, against what normal circumstances state It is an English language phrase, and is not a Mayan language phrase. AGAIN (sigh) you are plagiarizing something from an uneducated and unnamed source expecting us to believe it
Because There is ZERO that identifies the author, nor his credentials, all we are left with is your say-so, and given the recent history of being caught by a mod, it is not inaccurate to say that it seems as if you are doing it again. Therefore, you are simply making "stuff" up, (or copying it from another source, namely FAMSI http://research.famsi.org/mdp/mdp_index.php.
I AM CALLING YOUR BLUFF. Prove that balderdash is accurate, or else recant
SECOND your post wrongly assumes that the symbols of Mayan hieroglyphics correspond to English grammar and syntax. That is a fiction, born from a crisis of desperation, having no basis in fact. According to the former site mentioned above,
- The Maya script involves over 800 distinct signs, but only 300-400 appear to have been in (common) use at any one time.
- Most of the signs from this early period (roughly 200 BC- AD 250) were logograms; syllabic signs commonly appeared later, although the cause of this is debated among epigrapher
- (T)he Russian scholar Yuriy Valentinovich Knorozov proved without a doubt that the Maya writing system was a logo-syllabic script composed of both word signs and signs that represent a syllable. In this respect, Maya hieroglyphs are similar to other writing systems such as Akkadian cuneiform, Egyptian hieroglyphic writing, or modern Japanese script.
I AM CALLING YOUR BLUFF. Prove that balderdash is accurate, or else recant.
As a corollary to the first point, the statistical analysis of that phrase, "and it came to pass" is used to demonstrate beyond any shadow of doubt that the preponderance of that phrase "and it...." in the Book of Mormon versus the times it is found in the Bible proves that in contrast to the claims of y'all that the entire book of Mormon is done by one author, namely Joseph Smith, and not the so-called angel, "Moroni"
I AM CALLING YOUR BLUFF. Prove that balderdash is accurate, or else recant.