Synergism the biblical model

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From Got questions it seems to be popular these days with many calvinists on carm.

"Synergism can be inferred from several passages in Scripture. Of particular importance are statements such as Matthew 23:37 and John 5:39–40. These are clear indications by Jesus Christ that there is some sense in which a person can be held responsible for resisting the Holy Spirit or refusing salvation. Looking at these verses—and only these verses—it would seem clear that salvation is accomplished by a combined force: a syn-ergon. God and man, it follows, must harmonize in order for one to be saved.

Likewise, 1 Timothy 2:3–4 and 2 Peter 3:9 would seem to indicate that God at least “allows” some to be lost, despite His desire that “all” be saved. The idea of an invitation—something to be accepted or rejected—is prevalent in the New Testament, including verses such as Revelation 22:17, John 4:10, John 6:44, 1 Peter 2:7, and Matthew 22:1–14. Given those Scriptures, it is clear the idea of human culpability in salvation cannot be entirely dismissed. "

"In support of the synergistic argument, let’s turn our attention to the Five Articles of the Remonstrance: “That God, by an eternal and unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son, before the foundation of the world, hath determined, out of the fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for Christ’s sake, and through Christ, those who, through the grace of the Holy Ghost, shall believe on this his son Jesus, and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end; and, on the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath, and to condemn them as alienate from Christ, according to the word of the Gospel in John 3:36: ‘He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him,’ and according to other passages of Scripture also” (FAR, Article I, emphasis added). Here we see that salvation is conditional upon the faith and perseverance of the individual. What conditional election does is place the determining factor of our salvation squarely upon us, on our ability to choose Jesus and remain in Him. Now Arminians will claim that our ability to choose Jesus is the result of a universal grace that God first gives to all people that offsets the effects of the fall and allows man to choose to accept or reject Christ. In other words, God must do something to even make the choice of salvation possible, but in the end it is our choice which saves us. The Scripture reference that Article I supplies certainly affirms that those who believe have eternal life and that those who reject do not have eternal life, so it would seem there is some scriptural support for this doctrine. Thus, the synergistic argument claims that God makes salvation possible, but it is our choice that makes salvation actual."


Yours Truly, Team Truth !

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ReverendRV

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I would use the Parable of the Sower to show that regarding Justification, Monergism is true. The Seed is the Gospel and the Good Soil is the Field of God....

1st Corithinthians 3:5-9 NIV; What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.
1 Corinthians 3:5‭-‬9 NIV
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1 Corinthians 3:5-9 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been makin | New International Version (


God gives the growth; Man does not. Man is nothing when it comes to his Justification. When Men give the growth, their hearts are the Rocky and Weedy Soils...

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calvins mentor Augustine- oops

“His mercy comes before us in everything. But to assent to or dissent from the call of God is a matter for one’s own will.”

Augustine of Hippo, On the Spirit and the Letter, 34, 60.

Even Augustine before he became apostate affirmed synergism.

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Yours Truly, Team Truth !

hope this helps !!!
 

Synergy

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From Got questions it seems to be popular these days with many calvinists on carm.

"Synergism can be inferred from several passages in Scripture. Of particular importance are statements such as Matthew 23:37 and John 5:39–40. These are clear indications by Jesus Christ that there is some sense in which a person can be held responsible for resisting the Holy Spirit or refusing salvation. Looking at these verses—and only these verses—it would seem clear that salvation is accomplished by a combined force: a syn-ergon. God and man, it follows, must harmonize in order for one to be saved.

Likewise, 1 Timothy 2:3–4 and 2 Peter 3:9 would seem to indicate that God at least “allows” some to be lost, despite His desire that “all” be saved. The idea of an invitation—something to be accepted or rejected—is prevalent in the New Testament, including verses such as Revelation 22:17, John 4:10, John 6:44, 1 Peter 2:7, and Matthew 22:1–14. Given those Scriptures, it is clear the idea of human culpability in salvation cannot be entirely dismissed. "

"In support of the synergistic argument, let’s turn our attention to the Five Articles of the Remonstrance: “That God, by an eternal and unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son, before the foundation of the world, hath determined, out of the fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for Christ’s sake, and through Christ, those who, through the grace of the Holy Ghost, shall believe on this his son Jesus, and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end; and, on the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath, and to condemn them as alienate from Christ, according to the word of the Gospel in John 3:36: ‘He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him,’ and according to other passages of Scripture also” (FAR, Article I, emphasis added). Here we see that salvation is conditional upon the faith and perseverance of the individual. What conditional election does is place the determining factor of our salvation squarely upon us, on our ability to choose Jesus and remain in Him. Now Arminians will claim that our ability to choose Jesus is the result of a universal grace that God first gives to all people that offsets the effects of the fall and allows man to choose to accept or reject Christ. In other words, God must do something to even make the choice of salvation possible, but in the end it is our choice which saves us. The Scripture reference that Article I supplies certainly affirms that those who believe have eternal life and that those who reject do not have eternal life, so it would seem there is some scriptural support for this doctrine. Thus, the synergistic argument claims that God makes salvation possible, but it is our choice that makes salvation actual."


Yours Truly, Team Truth !

hope this helps !!!
To reinforce your comments from the Greek NT side:

1 Cor 3:9 "For of God we are fellow-workers (συνεργοί· Θεοῦ), a field of God, and you are a building of God."

συνεργοί· Θεοῦ means God's synergistic fellow-workers/co-workers. No monergism here.

Mark 16:20 "And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them (τοῦ Κυρίου συνεργοῦντος) and confirmed the message by accompanying signs."

τοῦ Κυρίου συνεργοῦντος means our Lord's synergistic fellow-workers/co-workers. Monergism is out the window here also.

BTW, that's why Calvinistic Monergism has made no inroads in Greece, because it not only clashes with the Greek NT but it clashes with the Greek language also!
 
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To reinforce your comments from the Greek NT side:

1 Cor 3:9 "For of God we are fellow-workers (συνεργοί· Θεοῦ), a field of God, and you are a building of God."

συνεργοί· Θεοῦ means God's synergistic fellow-workers/co-workers. No monergism here.

Mark 16:20 "And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them (τοῦ Κυρίου συνεργοῦντος) and confirmed the message by accompanying signs."

τοῦ Κυρίου συνεργοῦντος means our Lord's synergistic fellow-workers/co-workers. Monergism is out the window here also.

BTW, that's why Calvinistic Monergism has made no inroads in Greece, because it not only clashes with the Greek NT but it clashes with the Greek language also!
Amen and thank you brother !!!
 

Reformedguy

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To reinforce your comments from the Greek NT side:

1 Cor 3:9 "For of God we are fellow-workers (συνεργοί· Θεοῦ), a field of God, and you are a building of God."

συνεργοί· Θεοῦ means God's synergistic fellow-workers/co-workers. No monergism here.

Mark 16:20 "And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them (τοῦ Κυρίου συνεργοῦντος) and confirmed the message by accompanying signs."

τοῦ Κυρίου συνεργοῦντος means our Lord's synergistic fellow-workers/co-workers. Monergism is out the window here also.

BTW, that's why Calvinistic Monergism has made no inroads in Greece, because it not only clashes with the Greek NT but it clashes with the Greek language also!
1 Cor. 3:9 adressed to fellow believers. opps
 

Reformedguy

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calvins mentor Augustine- oops

“His mercy comes before us in everything. But to assent to or dissent from the call of God is a matter for one’s own will.”

Augustine of Hippo, On the Spirit and the Letter, 34, 60.

Even Augustine before he became apostate affirmed synergism.

oops

next


Yours Truly, Team Truth !

hope this helps !!!
As a Calvinist I agree with him. OPPS. Now what? Back to the drawing board. LOL
 

Synergy

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I would use the Parable of the Sower to show that regarding Justification, Monergism is true. The Seed is the Gospel and the Good Soil is the Field of God....

1st Corithinthians 3:5-9 NIV; What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.
1 Corinthians 3:5‭-‬9 NIV
bible.com

1 Corinthians 3:5-9 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been makin | New International Version (


God gives the growth; Man does not. Man is nothing when it comes to his Justification. When Men give the growth, their hearts are the Rocky and Weedy Soils...

Team Truth!
Focus on what I underlined in your comments above.

1 Cor 3:9 "For of God we are fellow-workers (συνεργοί· Θεοῦ), a field of God, and you are a building of God."

συνεργοί· Θεοῦ translates to God's synergistic fellow-workers/co-workers. Therefore, monergism is rendered a false doctrine.
 
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In the English but not in the Greek. Which do you support the Greek NT or a translation of it?
the person doesn't know the first thing about Greek except its an ancient language used by the N.T. authors.
 

Our Lord's God

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From Got questions it seems to be popular these days with many calvinists on carm.

"Synergism can be inferred from several passages in Scripture. Of particular importance are statements such as Matthew 23:37 and John 5:39–40. These are clear indications by Jesus Christ that there is some sense in which a person can be held responsible for resisting the Holy Spirit or refusing salvation. Looking at these verses—and only these verses—it would seem clear that salvation is accomplished by a combined force: a syn-ergon. God and man, it follows, must harmonize in order for one to be saved.

Likewise, 1 Timothy 2:3–4 and 2 Peter 3:9 would seem to indicate that God at least “allows” some to be lost, despite His desire that “all” be saved. The idea of an invitation—something to be accepted or rejected—is prevalent in the New Testament, including verses such as Revelation 22:17, John 4:10, John 6:44, 1 Peter 2:7, and Matthew 22:1–14. Given those Scriptures, it is clear the idea of human culpability in salvation cannot be entirely dismissed. "

"In support of the synergistic argument, let’s turn our attention to the Five Articles of the Remonstrance: “That God, by an eternal and unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son, before the foundation of the world, hath determined, out of the fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for Christ’s sake, and through Christ, those who, through the grace of the Holy Ghost, shall believe on this his son Jesus, and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end; and, on the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath, and to condemn them as alienate from Christ, according to the word of the Gospel in John 3:36: ‘He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him,’ and according to other passages of Scripture also” (FAR, Article I, emphasis added). Here we see that salvation is conditional upon the faith and perseverance of the individual. What conditional election does is place the determining factor of our salvation squarely upon us, on our ability to choose Jesus and remain in Him. Now Arminians will claim that our ability to choose Jesus is the result of a universal grace that God first gives to all people that offsets the effects of the fall and allows man to choose to accept or reject Christ. In other words, God must do something to even make the choice of salvation possible, but in the end it is our choice which saves us. The Scripture reference that Article I supplies certainly affirms that those who believe have eternal life and that those who reject do not have eternal life, so it would seem there is some scriptural support for this doctrine. Thus, the synergistic argument claims that God makes salvation possible, but it is our choice that makes salvation actual."


Yours Truly, Team Truth !

hope this helps !!!

How it works is explained in vivid detail by Jesus.

Jesus' ministry was a Father and Son endeavour. Jesus tells us explicitly that he spoke God's words not his own and did God's works not his own. "The Father abiding in me does the works." The Father did not do these things monergistically. Jesus offered his body of flesh to God for the Father to do all these things through him. Like the firstborn, all the sons of God do the same.

But these things of God are not even on the Calvinist's radar. They are too busy protecting their creedal idol and willfully confusing themselves.
 
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and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.
 
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