Taketh away the sin of the Church !

TomFL

Well-known member
The good shepherd gives his life for the Sheep. Very specific
So was Paul

he said Christ gave himself for him

are you going to argue he died for Paul alone

No

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

he died for all
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
So was Paul

he said Christ gave himself for him

are you going to argue he died for Paul alone

No

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

he died for all
Doesnt matter the context, when speaking of the death of Christ, Hes dying as the Good Shepherd of the Sheep !
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Doesnt matter the context, when speaking of the death of Christ, Hes dying as the Good Shepherd of the Sheep !
And all

Paul stated Christ gave himself for him

are you going to argue he died for Paul alone

No

so why do you argue he died for sheep alone

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

he died for all
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
And all

Paul stated Christ gave himself for him

are you going to argue he died for Paul alone

No

so why do you argue he died for sheep alone

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

he died for all
All the Sheep. He is always the Good Shepherd that gives His life for His Sheep
 

TomFL

Well-known member
All the Sheep. He is always the Good Shepherd that gives His life for His Sheep
ALL

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


Why are you having such a hard time believing the bible ?
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
ALL

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


Why are you having such a hard time believing the bible ?
Wherever you read about the death of Christ it's for the Sheep. He never stop being the Shepherd of the Sheep
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You still have not proved the op wrong. The world is the gathered sheep in Jn 1:29
The idea unbelievers opposed to God are his sheep and regenerate has been easily disproven

His sheep know and follow him

Unbelievers don't and therefore are not his sheep
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
I just showed you three verses where the death of Christ was stated to be for all

Whyb do you ignore scripture ?
Any verse you quote that is in regards to Christ death, whether it specify or not it's about the Sheep! Jesus specified it John 10! It doesn't have to keep being repeated, it's a settled fact!
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
The idea unbelievers opposed to God are his sheep and regenerate has been easily disproven

His sheep know and follow him

Unbelievers don't and therefore are not his sheep
Jesus died for His Sheep who are sinners and unbelievers at first. Sure they will be given faith to follow Him. Everyone who never comes to believe in Him and follow Him were not of His Sheep that He died for. That's limited atonement.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Any verse you quote that is in regards to Christ death, whether it specify or not it's about the Sheep! Jesus specified it John 10! It doesn't have to keep being repeated, it's a settled fact!
Sorry that is just assumption and disrespectful handling of the word of God

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Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in du
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Sorry that is just assumption and disrespectful handling of the word of God

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Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in du
No it is the truth and honors the word of God. Christ is the Shepherd of the Sheep even when it doesn't say it all the time.Its not necessary!
 

TomFL

Well-known member
No it is the truth and honors the word of God. Christ is the Shepherd of the Sheep even when it doesn't say it all the time.Its not necessary!
Truth and believing God's truth honmors him

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Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time


Sheep is not a meaning of all
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Truth and believing God's truth honmors him

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Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time


Sheep is not a meaning of all
Those verses are about the Sheep and the Shepherd
 

zerinus

Active member
Yes it is about all the Sheep. Since it is about the Shepherd of the Sheep
LOL! It is about the "Savior of all men". The "sheep" become "sheep" by their own choice, to repent and keep his commandments:

John 6:

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
 
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