Taketh away the sin of the Church !

[TomFL]

The good shepherd gives his life for the Sheep. Very specific

So was Paul

he said Christ gave himself for him

are you going to argue he died for Paul alone

No

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

he died for all

 

[brightfame52]

So was Paul

he said Christ gave himself for him

are you going to argue he died for Paul alone

No

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

he died for all

Doesnt matter the context, when speaking of the death of Christ, Hes dying as the Good Shepherd of the Sheep !

 

[TomFL]

Doesnt matter the context, when speaking of the death of Christ, Hes dying as the Good Shepherd of the Sheep !

And all

Paul stated Christ gave himself for him

are you going to argue he died for Paul alone

No

so why do you argue he died for sheep alone

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

he died for all

 

[brightfame52]

And all

Paul stated Christ gave himself for him

are you going to argue he died for Paul alone

No

so why do you argue he died for sheep alone

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

he died for all

All the Sheep. He is always the Good Shepherd that gives His life for His Sheep

 

[TomFL]

All the Sheep. He is always the Good Shepherd that gives His life for His Sheep

ALL

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


Why are you having such a hard time believing the bible ?

 

[brightfame52]

ALL

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


Why are you having such a hard time believing the bible ?

Wherever you read about the death of Christ it's for the Sheep. He never stop being the Shepherd of the Sheep

 

[TomFL]

Wherever you read about the death of Christ it's for the Sheep. He never stop being the Shepherd of the Sheep

I just showed you three verses where the death of Christ was stated to be for all

Whyb do you ignore scripture ?

 

[mica]

You still have not proved the op wrong. The world is the gathered sheep in Jn 1:29

who were the sheep in Jn 1?

 

[TomFL]

You still have not proved the op wrong. The world is the gathered sheep in Jn 1:29

The idea unbelievers opposed to God are his sheep and regenerate has been easily disproven

His sheep know and follow him

Unbelievers don't and therefore are not his sheep

 

[TomFL]

who were the sheep in Jn 1?

The word does not appear in John 1

 

[brightfame52]

I just showed you three verses where the death of Christ was stated to be for all

Whyb do you ignore scripture ?

Any verse you quote that is in regards to Christ death, whether it specify or not it's about the Sheep! Jesus specified it John 10! It doesn't have to keep being repeated, it's a settled fact!

 

[brightfame52]

The idea unbelievers opposed to God are his sheep and regenerate has been easily disproven

His sheep know and follow him

Unbelievers don't and therefore are not his sheep

Jesus died for His Sheep who are sinners and unbelievers at first. Sure they will be given faith to follow Him. Everyone who never comes to believe in Him and follow Him were not of His Sheep that He died for. That's limited atonement.

 

[brightfame52]

who were the sheep in Jn 1?

Believers and anyone who became a believer.

 

[TomFL]

Any verse you quote that is in regards to Christ death, whether it specify or not it's about the Sheep! Jesus specified it John 10! It doesn't have to keep being repeated, it's a settled fact!

Sorry that is just assumption and disrespectful handling of the word of God

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Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in du

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry that is just assumption and disrespectful handling of the word of God

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Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in du

No it is the truth and honors the word of God. Christ is the Shepherd of the Sheep even when it doesn't say it all the time.Its not necessary!

 

[TomFL]

No it is the truth and honors the word of God. Christ is the Shepherd of the Sheep even when it doesn't say it all the time.Its not necessary!

Truth and believing God's truth honmors him

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Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time


Sheep is not a meaning of all

 

[brightfame52]

Truth and believing God's truth honmors him

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Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time


Sheep is not a meaning of all

Those verses are about the Sheep and the Shepherd

 

[zerinus]

Those verses are about the Sheep and the Shepherd

It relates to all that died. The "sheep" were not the only ones who "died" (in Adam). It applies to all that died, which means all of mankind.

 

[brightfame52]

It relates to all that died. The "sheep" were not the only ones who "died" (in Adam). It applies to all that died, which means all of mankind.

Yes it is about all the Sheep. Since it is about the Shepherd of the Sheep

 

[zerinus]

Yes it is about all the Sheep. Since it is about the Shepherd of the Sheep

LOL! It is about the "Savior of all men". The "sheep" become "sheep" by their own choice, to repent and keep his commandments:

John 6:

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.