Taketh away the sin of the Church !

brightfame52

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Sheep do not appear in the passage

Heb. 2:9 —KJV
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”


1 Timothy 2:3–6 (KJV 1900)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

They that lived are but a portion of all that Christ died for

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Why must you ignore scripture to hold your theology ?

Why must you ignore context as well ?
Again, Its speaking about all or every Sheep Jn 10
 

TomFL

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Again, Its speaking about all or every Sheep Jn 10
Sorry this clearly showsc more than the sheep are included


2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

They that lived are but a portion of all that Christ died for

Christ died for them that perish

1Cor. 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Sorry this clearly showsc more than the sheep are included


2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

They that lived are but a portion of all that Christ died for

Christ died for them that perish

1Cor. 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”
Whenever it's talking about Christ death for people it refers to the Sheep.
 

TomFL

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Whenever it's talking about Christ death for people it refers to the Sheep.
Once again you ignore the evidence

Sorry this clearly showsc more than the sheep are included


2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

They that lived are but a portion of all that Christ died for

Christ died for them that perish

1Cor. 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Once again you ignore the evidence

Sorry this clearly showsc more than the sheep are included


2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

They that lived are but a portion of all that Christ died for

Christ died for them that perish

1Cor. 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”
Jn 10 tells us who the all and everyone is, Christs Sheep or His People ! I have constantly testified to that fact !
 

TomFL

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Jn 10 tells us who the all and everyone is, Christs Sheep or His People ! I have constantly testified to that fact !
John 10 does not tell us who everyone is

Once again you ignore the evidence

Sorry this clearly showsc more than the sheep are included


2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

They that lived are but a portion of all that Christ died for

Christ died for them that perish

1Cor. 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

you just assume that while scripture shows he died even for those who would be lost

2 Pet. 2:1 —KJV
“¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
John 10 does not tell us who everyone is

Once again you ignore the evidence

Sorry this clearly showsc more than the sheep are included


2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

They that lived are but a portion of all that Christ died for

Christ died for them that perish

1Cor. 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

you just assume that while scripture shows he died even for those who would be lost

2 Pet. 2:1 —KJV
“¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”
Jn 10 tells us everyone Christ died for exclusively, His Sheep ! Beyond that is mere presumption !
 

TomFL

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Jn 10 tells us everyone Christ died for exclusively, His Sheep ! Beyond that is mere presumption !
The word alone does not appear in John 10

and this show Christ died for more than the sheep

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

They that lived are but a portion of all that Christ died for

Christ died for them that perish

1Cor. 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

you just assume that while scripture shows he died even for those who would be lost

2 Pet. 2:1 —KJV
“¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

once again you ignored scripture
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
The word alone does not appear in John 10

and this show Christ died for more than the sheep

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

They that lived are but a portion of all that Christ died for

Christ died for them that perish

1Cor. 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

you just assume that while scripture shows he died even for those who would be lost

2 Pet. 2:1 —KJV
“¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

once again you ignored scripture
The Sheep are a world. Remember the definition of the word world kosmos

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

Thats the Sheep Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

That One Fold of all the gathered together of the Sheep is a world, its the World of Jn 3 16
 

TomFL

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The Sheep are a world. Remember the definition of the word world kosmos

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

Thats the Sheep Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

That One Fold of all the gathered together of the Sheep is a world, its the World of Jn 3 16
Except the phrase a world of sheep does not appear in scripture anywhere

These do and show Christ died for more than the sheep

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

They that lived are but a portion of all that Christ died for

Christ died for them that perish

1Cor. 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

you just assume that while scripture shows he died even for those who would be lost

2 Pet. 2:1 —KJV
“¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

once again you ignored scripture
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Except the phrase a world of sheep does not appear in scripture anywhere

These do and show Christ died for more than the sheep

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

They that lived are but a portion of all that Christ died for

Christ died for them that perish

1Cor. 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

you just assume that while scripture shows he died even for those who would be lost

2 Pet. 2:1 —KJV
“¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

once again you ignored scripture
Sheep dont have to appear, it appeared already, Jn 10 what makes you think its changed ?
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Yeah it does

Saying you love x does not say you don't love y

saying you love red skittles is not a statement you don't love blue skittles
No it doesn't. Jesus qualified who the all He died for. The Sheep. To go beyond that is transgression of the doctrine of Christ.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
No it doesn't. Jesus qualified who the all He died for. The Sheep. To go beyond that is transgression of the doctrine of Christ.
try again

This time think

Saying you love x does not say you don't love y

saying you love red skittles is not a statement you don't love blue skittles
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
try again

This time think

Saying you love x does not say you don't love y

saying you love red skittles is not a statement you don't love blue skittles
You transgress the doctrine of Christ. He stated who He died for. You go beyond the boundary of scripture.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You transgress the doctrine of Christ. He stated who He died for. You go beyond the boundary of scripture.
I guess you cannot deal with the logic

Saying you love x does not say you don't love y

saying you love red skittles is not a statement you don't love blue skittles

1 Tim. 2:1–6 —KJV
Ҧ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
I guess you cannot deal with the logic

You seem to get your theology from "logic".
We get our theology from SCRIPTURE.

Saying you love x does not say you don't love y

saying you love red skittles is not a statement you don't love blue skittles

So if someone doesn't love blue Skittles, you're going to tell them they love blue Skittles anyway, because you can't ever admit to being wrong?

If someone is surrounded by a whole bunch of different animals, they aren't going to simply blurt out "I love cats", if they love all the animals.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You seem to get your theology from "logic".
We get our theology from SCRIPTURE.



So if someone doesn't love blue Skittles, you're going to tell them they love blue Skittles anyway, because you can't ever admit to being wrong?

If someone is surrounded by a whole bunch of different animals, they aren't going to simply blurt out "I love cats", if they love all the animals.

If that were true you would be able to actually mount a scriptural rebuttal to address the scriptural arguments I make

BTW you did not address or dispute the logic
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
If that were true you would be able to actually mount a scriptural rebuttal to address the scriptural arguments I make

Do you not understand the difference between "cannot", and "chooses not to"?
Matt. 7:6.
Take the chip off your shoulder.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Do you not understand the difference between "cannot", and "chooses not to"?
Matt. 7:6.
Take the chip off your shoulder.
I know those who can do and those who cannot make excuses

take the chip off your own shoulder for all you done is present snark and hubris in last 5-6 posts
addressing me
 
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