Taking a balanced view of Trump

Authentic Nouveau

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I expected the same ones who promised to leave in 2016 and disappointed us.
What is really funny is those that think if Biden wins he will want to stay. He has a lot of business he enjoys managing.
I like when they tore after him on emoluments. The Grand PostOffice Hotel is packed. The thing is it belongs to Uncle Sam and he pays high rent.
He spent 50 million on renovation? It may be a while before it makes money.
 

Thistle

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right. those dems / celebs must think we'd miss them. most of us would help them pack.
And don't let the door hit them in the . . . well anyway; let's just say I agree. I can get used to life without foot ball, and basket ball, and all of those America hating sports. I'll help them file for Chinese citizenship.
 

bigthinker

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I find it funny that Trumpers seem to think everything will get better once Biden is defeated. As if Trump isn't the president and his own worst enemy.
 

Thistle

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I find it funny that Trumpers seem to think everything will get better once Biden is defeated. As if Trump isn't the president and his own worst enemy.
I have every confidence that Trump is his own worst enemy where the Elite are concerned, where never Trumpers are concerned, and Socialists are concerned, where identitarians are concerned, where CIA and NSA spooks who want to illegally conduct operations in the United States that are unconstitutional and so on. But answer me this, if he tried to appease these . . . people . . . would they stop trying to destroy him by every means legal and illegal, honest and dishonest, constitutional and unconstitutional. I'm pretty sure we know the answer to that don't we. Given that is the case, I'm not sure this distinction is especially meaningful.
 

bigthinker

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Trump is arguably the most successful stand-up comic ever, but the humorless left misses the jokes.
That would be entirely
Absolutely, it's very well know that a thief will ridicule his victims while he if filling his loot bag with the family silverware. So when Trump says he's going to drain the swamp, the swamp creatures think they are just fine, Trump has the problem. They think the only reason Trump doesn't want to sell America down the river like they do, is that he didn't think of it first. The issue is, Trump is not a criminal, they are. He called them out, and they don't like it. It's a predictable reaction so you could rightly say he "brought [it] . . . on himself."

Yeah, that's how John Dillinger felt about Melvin Purvis.

Amazing the people who have been shouting Trump Russian Collusion for four years are calling Trump's hyperbole lies. Do they have a word "irony" where you come from? I'm not sure you could prove they do have that word there to a skeptic.

Keeping more of his promises to his constituents than any president in 50 years, that doesn't count? I guess we will see tomorrow.

And by "it" you mean not being criticized by you.

He is good at his job. He's prosecuting a war against the swamp. Turns out they don't like that! . . . go figure.
Trump is the swamp.
He's not fighting a war against the swamp, lol. How absurd. Here's the thing, if you need a lawyer, you don't hire a plumber, regardless of how incoherent they are. Likewise, if you need a president, a world leader, you don't vote for a reality TV clown -regardless of how much of a business man they are. It turns out that -like many high level positions, not everyone is cut out for it, not everyone has the skill set. Trump has aptly demonstrated that he does not have the skill set, he is incompetent. He's allowed the country to take a beating we didn't need to take. He's not honest but he is ignorant, He's a lousy communicator, doesn't seem to understand what America is about, doesn't share anything with the poor sycophantic souls that cheer for him like professional wrestling fans... He's a disgrace to America and its time for him to be done. He inherited the a a pretty good situation, unemployment was down the economy was growing and had been since shortly after Obama took office. Trump inherited low unemployment (4.7%) and by 12/19 it was 3.5 -the lowest since the Great Depression. However, during Obama's second term, unemployment had dropped 3.3% -a much steeper drop than Trump's 1.2.
Sure, the pandemic didn't help but Trump's handling of it has been irresponsible and as much as he wants to blame everyone else, he could have handled it like a world leader instead of a reality tv shyster.
Anyways, regardless of who wins the election, they will be inheriting a mess; it turns out, the country is more than just a business. I definitely don't trust Trump to get us out of the mess he's made.
 

Thistle

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That would be entirely
I'll let Theophilos address this.
Trump is the swamp.
You haven't thought much about what swamp means, have you.
He's not fighting a war against the swamp, lol. How absurd.
If that is absurd, I believe you will need to connect those dots. How is it that every slime slithering creature in Washington is attacking Trump?
Here's the thing, if you need a lawyer, you don't hire a plumber, regardless of how incoherent they are.
That line literally makes no sense. Incoherence is only prized at places like Antifa and BLM. Well, unless you count CNN or The New York Times where they regularly write articles today that contradict all the premises on which they wrote articles and Op-Ed's last week.
Likewise, if you need a president, a world leader, you don't vote for a reality TV clown -regardless of how much of a business man they are.
It's like déjà vu all over again. We need a real leader like Moscow Biden. You think Americans will like the guy who sent his drug addled son over to the mayor of Moscow to pick up $3,000,000 more than that SOS who sold our Uranium to Putin? It's an interesting question.
It turns out that -like many high level positions, not everyone is cut out for it,
You mean they are prevented by scruples from selling out American? Have you considered the possibility that some Americans might consider that a virtue rather than a deficiency.
not everyone has the skill set.
Right . . . the in crowd shows up poor and leaves rich. Take Biden for example.
Trump has aptly demonstrated that he does not have the skill set, he is incompetent.
Yes, my understanding is that his net worth has actually gone down, since he focused his efforts on America's business rather than his own.
He's allowed the country to take a beating we didn't need to take.
Driving unemployment down for every minority demographic to record levels? Or do you mean bringing about peace all over the world? Or do you mean bringing home American troupes? Or do you mean delivering a 34% expansion in the GDP in the quarter just ended. The biggest in the history of the United States. Or do you mean single-handedly rescuing the US military from cratering into the abyss, so badly that our pilots couldn't even log enough hours to maintain proficiency in the air or on the seas. I think the word you were searching for was winning not beating.
He's not honest but he is ignorant,
Yeah, he couldn't pull off a money laundering scheme like Joe Biden to save his life. By the way, you did hear the FBI confirmed the money laundering investigation for Hunter, didn't you?
He's a lousy communicator,
Seems like the only idea he can get across is the idea that he deserved to be president over Hillary on the merits. Stay tuned he's about to do the same to Joe.
doesn't seem to understand what America is about,
The Elites scheming everyday Americans out of their jobs? Yeah, he's got a whole different idea.
doesn't share anything with the poor sycophantic souls that cheer for him like professional wrestling fans...
If you don't count tax cuts, dignity, job's and self respect.
He's a disgrace to America and its time for him to be done.
Right, so the elites can get back to the very important work of selling US jobs, celebrities, sports figures, and just about everything else that's not nailed down to China.
He inherited the a a pretty good situation,
You going to be playing this club all week? We'll remember to tip the waitresses.
unemployment was down
If you can't get the unemployment rate down from the low point of the great recession, then you are as idiotic as FDR. Obama was close, but not quite.
the economy was growing
It was the worst recovery since FDR turned a recession into a depression. And the only recovery sense the depression that didn't have a single year of 3% growth.
and had been since shortly after Obama took office.
Obama was sworn in January the economy bottomed in March. The momentum of the decline had exhausted itself.
Trump inherited low unemployment (4.7%) and by 12/19 it was 3.5 -the lowest since the Great Depression. However, during Obama's second term, unemployment had dropped 3.3% -a much steeper drop than Trump's 1.2.
Obama made a recovery that should have taken 18 months 24 max last for eight years, remarkably reminiscent of FDR turning a recession, very much like the one in 1920, in to a depression that lasted a well more than a decade.
Sure, the pandemic didn't help
You think? It would have helped even less if a president Biden kept the door open to China in February?!?!
but Trump's handling of it has been irresponsible
He shouldn't have been so xenophobic as to shut down travel from China. He should have gone to China Town like Nancy and kissed someone like she recommended.
and as much as he wants to blame everyone else, he could have handled it like a world leader instead of a reality tv shyster.
By which you mean follow the lead of the CCP. So you don't think Trump is pinko enough? Hmm, I'll have to think about that.
Anyways, regardless of who wins the election, they will be inheriting a mess; it turns out,
I'm glad you could point out the team that caused it to rain on game day.
the country is more than just a business.
And interestingly, since 2016 we've learned it's more than just a fiefdom for the elite too. That brings back some quaint memories.
I definitely don't trust Trump to get us out of the mess he's made.
Yeah, if we get Biden in their, he'll definitely make sure it doesn't rain on game day. You remember how good he was at curing cancer, and bending the cost curve down on insurance?
 

bigthinker

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Hopefully we're approaching the end of the Trumpdemic. He'll definitely be remembered for making the country worse -like nearly everything else he's touched.
 

Ficciones

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As a Marxist I'm frankly hoping Trump gets re-elected. He's crushed the American empire in ways Bin Laden could only dream of. Let him finish the job.

The 21st century belongs to China. Trump has tied a bow on it for them.
 

bigthinker

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As a Marxist I'm frankly hoping Trump gets re-elected. He's crushed the American empire in ways Bin Laden could only dream of. Let him finish the job.

The 21st century belongs to China. Trump has tied a bow on it for them.
That is a fair assessment.
 

mica

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I have every confidence that Trump is his own worst enemy where the Elite are concerned, where never Trumpers are concerned, and Socialists are concerned, where identitarians are concerned, where CIA and NSA spooks who want to illegally conduct operations in the United States that are unconstitutional and so on. But answer me this, if he tried to appease these . . . people . . . would they stop trying to destroy him by every means legal and illegal, honest and dishonest, constitutional and unconstitutional. I'm pretty sure we know the answer to that don't we. Given that is the case, I'm not sure this distinction is especially meaningful.
yes, they've gone totally crazy because he won't play along with them. He loves this country and is more concerned about it and the people than whatever the prize is to those who do play along with them.
Trump's a fighter and he won't back down - they hate that.
 

Ficciones

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It's been great watching Trump and his rich elite pals loot your country while you clap and hoot like sweaty chimpanzees. Happy stupid day, Americans. Have lots of fun watching teevee and getting real excited. Four more years! 🤪🇺🇸
 

bigthinker

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thx to both of you for telling us who you are.
Trump serves as a useful idiot to China, North Korea and Putin. I'm not a marxist but Ficciones' assessment is fair.
yes, they've gone totally crazy because he won't play along with them. He loves this country and is more concerned about it and the people than whatever the prize is to those who do play along with them.
Trump's a fighter and he won't back down - they hate that.
Trump loves himself, this isn't about making America great its about making Trump great and he's playing the ignorant as suckers to achieve his goals. He's good at only one thing: being Donald Trump. We need a leader who has more than a casual understanding of American history, laws, Constitution, people, culture etc. Trump has nothing in common with most Americans -how can he be expected to proper lead. On the other hand, as someone who has a well documented history of being a shyster and adept at marketing, he knows exactly how to rally the unthinking, non-college educated by spouting things they want to hear -with no real concern or compassion for their situation. He's a sham through and through.
go ahead, make Trump great again!
lol.
 

bigthinker

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yes, they've gone totally crazy because he won't play along with them. He loves this country and is more concerned about it and the people than whatever the prize is to those who do play along with them.
Trump's a fighter and he won't back down - they hate that.
He's ignorant, dishonest and played himself as a jerk early on and never corrected it. He's resented because he's incompetent and lacks the skill set for the position; he got where he was by a fluke -even he didn't think he was going to win. We now see what the negative effects are of his joke played out. He needs to go. Hopefully this will mark the end of the Trumpdemic and we can get back to business and back on track.
 

Thistle

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yes, they've gone totally crazy because he won't play along with them. He loves this country and is more concerned about it and the people than whatever the prize is to those who do play along with them.
Trump's a fighter and he won't back down - they hate that.
This is election day so we will know soon, perhaps tonight, if I'm right. But Trump seems to be taking the same tact with the domestic threats that he is using internationally i.e. peace through strength. If I'm right Trump will win the day, and the ne'er-do-wells will be less of a potent with each passing day.
 
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