Technology, Theology

[Nic]

Technology, Theology
An overview....

 

[BJ Bear]

The sign he is holding up is funny.

 

[Nic]

The sign he is holding up is funny.

I thought the timeliness of this just released video in light of some recent and ongoing eschatology exchanges was perfect.
For anyone who hasn't seen this brief video, it delves into how technology changes us and the way we see things. The card held up in the thumbnail is funny but points out how that distortion is the result of technology.

 

[BJ Bear]

I thought the timeliness of this just released video in light of some recent and ongoing eschatology exchanges was perfect.
For anyone who hasn't seen this brief video, it delves into how technology changes us and the way we see things. The card held up in the thumbnail is funny but points out how that distortion is the result of technology.

Yes, you are right. Based on the thumbnail chosen I thought he was going in a different direction so the video turned out to be a pleasant surprise.

 

[Nic]

@CrowCross

Technology, Theology
An overview....

Hi @CrowCross
I thought you may wish to see this from a different perspective from your own.

 

[CrowCross]

@CrowCross

Hi @CrowCross
I thought you may wish to see this from a different perspective from your own.

Can an angel screw a nut onto a bolt?

 

[Nic]

Can an angel screw a nut onto a bolt?

After checking with Alfred, Robin and the BAT-COMPUTER Riddler, it seems likely.
Did you wish to clarify?
(Depends on the type of nut.)

 

[CrowCross]

After checking with Alfred, Robin and the BAT-COMPUTER Riddler, it seems likely.
Did you wish to clarify?
(Depends on the type of nut.)

Do fallen angels have technology?

 

[BJ Bear]

Do fallen angels have technology?

Is that a non clarifying answer from 1 Isaac? Do you have a substantive on topic response? If so then what is it?

 

[CrowCross]

Is that a non clarifying answer from 1 Isaac? Do you have a substantive on topic response? If so then what is it?

Has technology been weaponized for gnostic self justification?

Is all technology bad?

Have fallen angels given us technology and if so has it been weaponized for gnostic self justification?

 

[BJ Bear]

Has technology been weaponized for gnostic self justification?

Have fallen people weaponized technology? Sure. Are you equivocating on the word angel? If not then are you writing that fallen angels in the class of Satan develop and misuse technology in the usual normal sense of the word, "technology," in use today?

Is all technology bad?

A point of the video is that it is not all bad.

Have fallen angels given us technology and if so has it been weaponized for gnostic self justification?

This goes back to the questions above, what do you mean by the terms, "fallen angel," and, "technology?"

 

[CrowCross]

Have fallen people weaponized technology? Sure. Are you equivocating on the word angel? If not then are you writing that fallen angels in the class of Satan develop and misuse technology in the usual normal sense of the word, "technology," in use today?

A point of the video is that it is not all bad.

This goes back to the questions above, what do you mean by the terms, "fallen angel," and, "technology?"

It's why I asked...can an angel thread a nut onto a bolt. Do angels have the ability to develope technology?

 

[BJ Bear]

It's why I asked...can an angel thread a nut onto a bolt. Do angels have the ability to develope technology?

Scripture doesn't say so I'm wondering why you ask? How can it be relevant to a right understanding of Scripture, especially a revelation of Christ? It is an error to exchange the certainty of Christ for all men for uncertainty of any kind.

 

[CrowCross]

Scripture doesn't say so I'm wondering why you ask? How can it be relevant to a right understanding of Scripture, especially a revelation of Christ? It is an error to exchange the certainty of Christ for all men for uncertainty of any kind.

I'm not exchanging anything. Simply asking a question about angels and their abilities.

What are these?

Ezekiel 1:15 When I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16 The workmanship of the wheels looked like the gleam of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. Their workmanship looked like a wheel within a wheel. 17 As they moved, they went in any of the four directions, without pivoting as they moved. 18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. 19 So as the living creatures moved, the wheels moved beside them, and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose.

Is this pure symbolism or a display of some sort of technology?

 

[BJ Bear]

I'm not exchanging anything. Simply asking a question about angels and their abilities.

It is a question based on eisegesis rather than the text. An example of why this is so is below.

What are these?

Ezekiel 1:15 When I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16 The workmanship of the wheels looked like the gleam of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. Their workmanship looked like a wheel within a wheel. 17 As they moved, they went in any of the four directions, without pivoting as they moved. 18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. 19 So as the living creatures moved, the wheels moved beside them, and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose.

Is this pure symbolism or a display of some sort of technology?

It is a pure vision being described in terms which the people of God at that time would have a frame of reference. Beyond that we have the infallible interpreters of the Tanakh, the Spirit led writers of the NT not mentioning technology in the Scriptures as you seem to be using the term, that is, the glory of God resting on the manipulation of the creation by man.

 

[CrowCross]

It is a question based on eisegesis rather than the text. An example of why this is so is below.

It is a pure vision being described in terms which the people of God at that time would have a frame of reference. Beyond that we have the infallible interpreters of the Tanakh, the Spirit led writers of the NT not mentioning technology in the Scriptures as you seem to be using the term, that is, the glory of God resting on the manipulation of the creation by man.

I saw the words...the workmanship. That doesn't sound like a vision.

The question is...considering an angel can manifest a physical form...can they build things?

 

[Nic]

nt

 

[BJ Bear]

I saw the words...the workmanship. That doesn't sound like a vision.

How else would Ezekiel describe something inanimate which does not normally occur in nature other than by words which translate into English words like construction and workmanship?

The question is...considering an angel can manifest a physical form...can they build things?

Scripture doesn't say, but Scripture repeatedly says and demonstrates that the Tanakh testifies to Christ, for example, in the Gospel of Matthew in reference to Jesus it says something like, thus the Scripture was fulfilled that out of Egypt I called my Son. It is an error to despise or deny the witness of Christ for us inorder to entertain dubious speculation of any kind expressed through out of context questions.

 

[CrowCross]

How else would Ezekiel describe something inanimate which does not normally occur in nature other than by words which translate into English words like construction and workmanship?

All I did was read it....workmanship. Why don't you show why it's a vision. Does it say it's a vision?

Scripture doesn't say, but Scripture repeatedly says and demonstrates that the Tanakh testifies to Christ, for example, in the Gospel of Matthew in reference to Jesus it says something like, thus the Scripture was fulfilled that out of Egypt I called my Son. It is an error to despise or deny the witness of Christ for us inorder to entertain dubious speculation of any kind expressed through out of context questions.

You didn't answer the question....The question is...considering an angel can manifest a physical form...can they build things?

To be honest I don't really care which way you believe...it's interesting conversation.

 

[Nic]

“In the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the exiles by the Chebar canal, the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.” (Ezekiel 1:1, ESV)