Joe
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Matthew 24 and Luke 21 both give us details of the same conversation Jesus had with His disciples about the destruction of the temple and the end of the Hebrew dispensation. It was not directed towards us in the future. It was directed at the Jews of their day and was consummated when the Roman army completely destroyed Jerusalem.
Both Matthew and Luke document the beginning of the conversation.
"Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (Mat 24:1-3)
"And while some were speaking of the temple, how it was adorned with noble stones and offerings, he said, “As for these things that you see, the days will come when there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” And they asked him, “Teacher, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when these things are about to take place?” (Luk 21:5-7)
As the conversation continues, Jesus mentions the abomination that causes desolation and both Matthew and Luke document that statement.
“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak." (Mat 24:15-18)
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written." (Luk 21:20-22)
We understand the abomination that causes desolation is the Roman army that did, in accordance to prophecy and Jesus' word, desolate Jerusalem. We also understand that even though Luke documented differently than Matthew, they were both talking about the same conversation and event. Luke wrote, "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies". Matthew wrote, "when you see the abomination of desolation...standing in the holy place"
Jesus mentioned, "the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel."
There are two direct mentions of the abomination of desolation in Daniel (Dan 11:31, Dan 12:11), and one indirect by saying on the wings of abominations shall be one who desolates (Dan 9:27).
The mentioning in Dan 11:31 is not in correlation with what Jesus stated. It is when Antiochus IV Epiphanes after his campaign against Egypt was returning to Syria heard the Jews were celebrating a rumor that he had died, so in rage he enters Jerusalem, killing 80,000 taking others as slaves, and desecrates the temple.
The other two mentions of the abomination of desolation in Daniel are in correlation with what Jesus stated.
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
(Dan 9:27)
And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days.
(Dan 12:11)
All of the prophecies from Daniel about the abomination of desolation has already taken place. Daniel 9:27 is about the Jewish people and Jerusalem during the time of the Anointed One-Jesus Christ, and Daniel 12:11 is also about the nation of Israel and the time of their latter days, which is from the time of Babylon to their destruction by the Romans in 70 AD. The two abominations of desolation are one and the same event.
As Jesus said about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, it was the "great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be."
God bless
Both Matthew and Luke document the beginning of the conversation.
"Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (Mat 24:1-3)
"And while some were speaking of the temple, how it was adorned with noble stones and offerings, he said, “As for these things that you see, the days will come when there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” And they asked him, “Teacher, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when these things are about to take place?” (Luk 21:5-7)
As the conversation continues, Jesus mentions the abomination that causes desolation and both Matthew and Luke document that statement.
“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak." (Mat 24:15-18)
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written." (Luk 21:20-22)
We understand the abomination that causes desolation is the Roman army that did, in accordance to prophecy and Jesus' word, desolate Jerusalem. We also understand that even though Luke documented differently than Matthew, they were both talking about the same conversation and event. Luke wrote, "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies". Matthew wrote, "when you see the abomination of desolation...standing in the holy place"
Jesus mentioned, "the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel."
There are two direct mentions of the abomination of desolation in Daniel (Dan 11:31, Dan 12:11), and one indirect by saying on the wings of abominations shall be one who desolates (Dan 9:27).
The mentioning in Dan 11:31 is not in correlation with what Jesus stated. It is when Antiochus IV Epiphanes after his campaign against Egypt was returning to Syria heard the Jews were celebrating a rumor that he had died, so in rage he enters Jerusalem, killing 80,000 taking others as slaves, and desecrates the temple.
The other two mentions of the abomination of desolation in Daniel are in correlation with what Jesus stated.
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
(Dan 9:27)
And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days.
(Dan 12:11)
All of the prophecies from Daniel about the abomination of desolation has already taken place. Daniel 9:27 is about the Jewish people and Jerusalem during the time of the Anointed One-Jesus Christ, and Daniel 12:11 is also about the nation of Israel and the time of their latter days, which is from the time of Babylon to their destruction by the Romans in 70 AD. The two abominations of desolation are one and the same event.
As Jesus said about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, it was the "great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be."
God bless