THE ADAM'S, Day 6, or DAY 3?

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In order to END right, one must be right from the beginning. and one of the key point in getting man right is their beginning.

Many believe man/Adam was Formed on day 6/six. We say no, man was "FORMED" on Day 3 and "MADE" ... male and female on day 6.

let us be clear, Man, the person, "FORMED"/CREATED day 3, MADE male and Female day 6.

well this should light a fire, but bring firewood, oh I mean scripture to back up your claim.

so we will go first,

As stated, Man, was “formed”, on day 3. open your bible to Genesis 1:9-13 and read the 3rd day creation. next read in your bible, Genesis chapter 2:4-7. verses 5-7 tells us what God did in detail on day 3, which correspond with Genesis 1:9-13. here is the revelation. according to Genesis chapter 1 on day 3 verse 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so". but according to Chapter 2, BEFORE the grass grew, and BEFORE any herb grew, BEFORE any trees came forth listen, 5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God, had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". remember this is DAY 3, read that verse 5 again and notice the word BEFORE. next verse, 6 “But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". now going back to chapter 1, to verse 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good". STOP, LOOK and LISTEN, if the Earth brought fort grass herbs and trees on day 3 according to chapter 2 verse 5 this same bible said that "BEFORE" the grass grew, and "BEFORE" plant was even in the EARTH, there was no "RAIN", and no "MAN". read that 5th verse again, and watch the association of Rain, and man. now the next verse, 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". verse 6 just told us that now there was rain, in the form of mist, and now a man, which is BEFORE any grass grew, and before any plants, and BEFORE any trees. and remember this is day 3. Let’s go back to verse 5 of chapter 2 again, "And every plant of the field "before" it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". before any seed in the ground, and before any grass GREW, and before any Plants, and Trees, now the ground was watered, (by a mist), and the man formed. because chapter 1 verse 12 said that the EARTH brought forth grass, and trees on Day 3. and chapter 2 said before the grass grew, before the herbs and trees, there was rain in the form of mist, and the man formed. there is the proof of man and rain/dew before day 3 ended. to clarify this further. the ONE man that was formed on day 3 and was CREATED, MADE into male and female on DAY 6, after there was not found a suitable help meet for the one man, (see Genesis 2:18-20). the man was before the animals, only the woman was “formed” ... brought forth, after the animals, but was in the man before the animals. what did this just tell us, (a). we did not evolve from animals, so Darwin lied. (b). we were the first living creatures to walk on the planet. Woman was formed, not created, or made, but formed on day 6, then made and created into female. because no help meet was found for the man, God brought forth from the ONE MAN, then another MAN, (woman), which God created female. Understand on the 6th day the one MAN was not CREATED again into existence, but another man was “formed”, or MADE, and both the first man and his “another”, or diversified self, was CREATED into male and female on day 6. but when God formed man on day three there was no female, because she was in the man, (just as the Lord was in the Spirit, before coming as the equal share), she was "MADE"/formed on Day 6. Supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 2:13 "For Adam was first formed, then Eve”. notice the woman was not created she was "formed" just as as the first man, but the creation of both was in their respective genders. Other words it is in the permutation, or the permuting of the genetic structure. Simply put, the alteration or arrangement of the genetic sequencing. that's the difference between being FORMED, and CREATED. the man and the woman was CREATED permutated male and female on day 6. the Man existed in this world before the woman, as a single person, but both was CREATED or permutated male and female on the same day, (this is why she is called an ADAM, meaning manKIND), which was day 6. supportive scripture, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created". the man, both the female and the male, was identified both as ADAM on day 6 in the DAY
they were CREATED, created how? answer, male and female. not created into existence as such, but created male and female on day 6. I hope you can see it now. conclusion, Man was FORMED on day 3 before any grass grew, before any plant, or trees. the woman was MADE, or brought forth on day 6 after the animals. and on day 6 both the man, and (the woman), was CREATED as "Male", and "Female". we have one MAN FORMED day 3 another Formed day 6th. and each was made male and female.

later we will give our reasoning for the 6th DAY making of male and female, in contrast to the animals.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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the removal of eve from adam was not by God.

if not, why did the bible say, Genesis 2:21 "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;" Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."

now remember this was on day 6, but Adam was Formed on Day 3. before the animals.

supportive scripture, Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."
Genesis 2:20 "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

please note, every fowl of the air was made on day 5, lets see it. Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."
Genesis 1:21 "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good."
Genesis 1:22 "And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth."
Genesis 1:23 "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."

well here's the problem, the "fowl of the air" and all after its kind was made on day 5. which means Adam the first man was here before day 5. and if anyone say that Adam and Eve was made on day 6 then they contridict themselves with the bible..

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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He said made in our image, genesis one. He and His feminine spirit.

not saying that you're right or wrong, but where in the bible it says, "His feminine spirit?".

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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One clue is that in the Hebrew, references to His Spirit are feminine. And archetypes of His Spirit are feminine.

Hebrew gives the NT its legal right...and in all of prophets tells the context of the NT; therefore, it's not relevant if Greek has neuter terms or if later translators chose to translate based on a roman precedent.

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the reply, second, Gender is the KIND, which the First male and female are.
H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119

here Adam in H120 is generic as in "MANKIND", both males and females.

but in Christ Jesus there is neither Male nor female, meaning spiritually. only in NATURAL LIFE is there Gender identification, but in the Life to come, are we either Male or female?

lets take a look at something, Angels are also refered to as MAN, scripture, Daniel 9:21 "Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation."

here the angel Gabriel, is identified as a "MAN" but what throws this into mystery, here the Hebrew word for man is
H376 אִישׁ 'iysh (eesh) n-m.
אִישִׁים 'iysh (eesh) [plural]
a man as an individual or a male person.
{often used as an adjunct to a more definite term (and in such cases frequently not expressed in translation).}
[contracted for H582 (or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant)]
KJV: also, another, any (man), a certain, + champion, consent, each, every (one), fellow, (foot-, husband-)man, (good-, great, mighty) man, he, high (degree), him (that is), husband, man(-kind), + none, one, people, person, + steward, what (man) soever, whoso(-ever), worthy.
Root(s): H582

ok it's an adjunct to a more definite term. but here the problem, in his resurrection the Lord Jesus, who cannot LIE, said this, Luke 24:39 "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." and angels are "spirits", scriptures, Hebrews 1:7 "And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire."

now if angels has not flesh and bone as the Lord Jesus in his resurrection, and taking in the fact that there is neither male and female in Christ Jesus, and one more, which is KEY TO ME. 2 Corinthians 5:14 "For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:" 2 Corinthians 5:15 "And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again." 2 Corinthians 5:16 "Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more."
THIS IS THE VERSES FOR ME,
2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

so to me in flesh or not, it means NOTHING TO ME, old things, this old nature are to me done away, I have no value in male nor female when it come to the things of God. yes, in this "LIFE", natural, yes, but not in the world to come.

so Gender in this world means NOTHING to me concering the Spirit world. (for this world will pass away), for there is neither male nor female to me.

these thing are of this world, (as the Holy Spirit said, we're not in the Flesh, but in the Spirit), yes I live in a natural life in this world, but I have a eternal life, (a change of flesh and bone), to live when this one ends, so I take no stock in it.

I thank you for the reply.

PICJAG, 101G

 

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i don’t agree but i won’t tire myself with replies you won’t read.

have not I read your post so far? if we don't agree, at least we respond.

but be blessed.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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In order to END right, one must be right from the beginning. and one of the key point in getting man right is their beginning.

Many believe man/Adam was Formed on day 6/six. We say no, man was "FORMED" on Day 3 and "MADE" ... male and female on day 6.

let us be clear, Man, the person, "FORMED"/CREATED day 3, MADE male and Female day 6.

well this should light a fire, but bring firewood, oh I mean scripture to back up your claim.

so we will go first,

As stated, Man, was “formed”, on day 3. open your bible to Genesis 1:9-13 and read the 3rd day creation. next read in your bible, Genesis chapter 2:4-7. verses 5-7 tells us what God did in detail on day 3, which correspond with Genesis 1:9-13. here is the revelation. according to Genesis chapter 1 on day 3 verse 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so". but according to Chapter 2, BEFORE the grass grew, and BEFORE any herb grew, BEFORE any trees came forth listen, 5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God, had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". remember this is DAY 3, read that verse 5 again and notice the word BEFORE. next verse, 6 “But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". now going back to chapter 1, to verse 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good". STOP, LOOK and LISTEN, if the Earth brought fort grass herbs and trees on day 3 according to chapter 2 verse 5 this same bible said that "BEFORE" the grass grew, and "BEFORE" plant was even in the EARTH, there was no "RAIN", and no "MAN". read that 5th verse again, and watch the association of Rain, and man. now the next verse, 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". verse 6 just told us that now there was rain, in the form of mist, and now a man, which is BEFORE any grass grew, and before any plants, and BEFORE any trees. and remember this is day 3. Let’s go back to verse 5 of chapter 2 again, "And every plant of the field "before" it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". before any seed in the ground, and before any grass GREW, and before any Plants, and Trees, now the ground was watered, (by a mist), and the man formed. because chapter 1 verse 12 said that the EARTH brought forth grass, and trees on Day 3. and chapter 2 said before the grass grew, before the herbs and trees, there was rain in the form of mist, and the man formed. there is the proof of man and rain/dew before day 3 ended. to clarify this further. the ONE man that was formed on day 3 and was CREATED, MADE into male and female on DAY 6, after there was not found a suitable help meet for the one man, (see Genesis 2:18-20). the man was before the animals, only the woman was “formed” ... brought forth, after the animals, but was in the man before the animals. what did this just tell us, (a). we did not evolve from animals, so Darwin lied. (b). we were the first living creatures to walk on the planet. Woman was formed, not created, or made, but formed on day 6, then made and created into female. because no help meet was found for the man, God brought forth from the ONE MAN, then another MAN, (woman), which God created female. Understand on the 6th day the one MAN was not CREATED again into existence, but another man was “formed”, or MADE, and both the first man and his “another”, or diversified self, was CREATED into male and female on day 6. but when God formed man on day three there was no female, because she was in the man, (just as the Lord was in the Spirit, before coming as the equal share), she was "MADE"/formed on Day 6. Supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 2:13 "For Adam was first formed, then Eve”. notice the woman was not created she was "formed" just as as the first man, but the creation of both was in their respective genders. Other words it is in the permutation, or the permuting of the genetic structure. Simply put, the alteration or arrangement of the genetic sequencing. that's the difference between being FORMED, and CREATED. the man and the woman was CREATED permutated male and female on day 6. the Man existed in this world before the woman, as a single person, but both was CREATED or permutated male and female on the same day, (this is why she is called an ADAM, meaning manKIND), which was day 6. supportive scripture, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created". the man, both the female and the male, was identified both as ADAM on day 6 in the DAY
they were CREATED, created how? answer, male and female. not created into existence as such, but created male and female on day 6. I hope you can see it now. conclusion, Man was FORMED on day 3 before any grass grew, before any plant, or trees. the woman was MADE, or brought forth on day 6 after the animals. and on day 6 both the man, and (the woman), was CREATED as "Male", and "Female". we have one MAN FORMED day 3 another Formed day 6th. and each was made male and female.

later we will give our reasoning for the 6th DAY making of male and female, in contrast to the animals.

PICJAG, 101G.

You're committing the fallacy of Begging the Question. You're assuming that just because there was no man to till the ground, that he therefore created man before creating those things on day 3. The text doesn't say that. What it explicitly states is that those things were created on day 3, but before they began growing, he watered the earth and created man.

This actually fits nicely with the panspermia theory in which these things were created, THEN delivered here to the earth at a later date.

 

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@Base12
Hello and good to see you.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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You're committing the fallacy of Begging the Question. You're assuming that just because there was no man to till the ground, that he therefore created man before creating those things on day 3. The text doesn't say that. What it explicitly states is that those things were created on day 3, but before they began growing, he watered the earth and created man.

This actually fits nicely with the panspermia theory in which these things were created, THEN delivered here to the earth at a later date.

well ok, was man here "BEFORE" the Animals? listen, Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

well Adam was here before the Animals, because they was formed because of Adam being alone. and the winged fowl of the air was formed on DAY #5. scripture, Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." Genesis 1:21 "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:22 "And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth." Genesis 1:23 "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."

well the fowel was here on DAY 5. and Adam was here before they was formed, according to Genesis 2:18. care to explain?

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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well ok, was man here "BEFORE" the Animals? listen, Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

This is more about Adam giving them names than anything else. It doesn't have anything to do with when they were created. The author doesn't begin with "So out of the ground...", or "So therefore, ....". He's repeatedly using the term "and" which is the figure polysyndeton which is for emphasizing each item

well Adam was here before the Animals, because they was formed because of Adam being alone.

False. You're still just assuming this. You're also unfamiliar with the writing style of these people. We find examples throughout these texts. e.g. Abram's father; mentioning priests before any had been ordained or even a temple to ordain them in, genealogies etc. The story is told in such a way as to relate one idea to anther, or stress certain relationships. It doesn't then follow that we should assume the author is presenting these ideas in chronological order.

well the fowel was here on DAY 5. and Adam was here before they was formed, according to Genesis 2:18. care to explain?

Already did. You're assuming he was created before day five. The text never makes that claim anywhere.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

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This is more about Adam giving them names than anything else. It doesn't have anything to do with when they were created. The author doesn't begin with "So out of the ground...", or "So therefore, ....". He's repeatedly using the term "and" which is the figure polysyndeton which is for emphasizing each item

ERROR, listen to the scripture, Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
now this, Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

ADAM was A. "ALONE" and no help meet. and because of that being "ALONE", God "FORMED" BINGO, their is the proof. Adam here in verse 18 was here before he God "FORMED" any Animal.

Genesis 2:20 "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."
remember, Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

so maning the animals was nothing special except to IDENTIFY, but the reason for the forming of the animals was a "HELP MEET" .... for him.
"but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

so that assessment is rejected.

The author doesn't begin with "So out of the ground...", or "So therefore, ....". He's repeatedly using the term "and" which is the figure polysyndeton which is for emphasizing each item

this is my POINT, and is "used to introduce an additional comment or interjection". Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
ADAM was "ALONE" ... AND, AND, AND, God "Formed, because he was "ALONE", AND God did something about his being "ALONE".

so again your argument is rejected. please look up the term "AND", and see what it means.

False. You're still just assuming this. You're also unfamiliar with the writing style of these people. We find examples throughout these texts. e.g. Abram's father; mentioning priests before any had been ordained or even a temple to ordain them in, genealogies etc. The story is told in such a way as to relate one idea to anther, or stress certain relationships. It doesn't then follow that we should assume the author is presenting these ideas in chronological order.

well you just violated your own argument of polysyndeton, which means, repetition of conjunctions in close succession. and succession means, a number of people or things sharing a specified characteristic and following one after the other.

well here is the polysyndeto of succession A. man Alone. B. Animals formed. C. Woman formed. THAT'S MY POINT. thank you.

Already did. You're assuming he was created before day five. The text never makes that claim anywhere.

see above.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[shnarkle]

ERROR, listen to the scripture, Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

Error: Note that God did not make any animals for Adam. In fact, Adam and Eve were both created simultaneously as is noted in the first chapter of Genesis. Eve was taken from Adam's side. God made Eve helpful to Adam because she was useless stuck to his side.

now this, Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

You're repeating yourself which doesn't advance the discussion in the slightest. You need to address what I've actually posted which not only addressed what you posted, but refuted it as well.

"but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

And as anyone who is well versed in telling a good yarn will know, it is always a good idea to point out exactly what God is referring to therefore, he articulates all of the animals that God had created.

Assuming that he must have forgotten that he didn't create anything else yet is to assume that the fallacy of Begging the Question isn't a fallacy. What you're claiming is that after God created Adam, he went looking for a help meet throughout all of creation, as if God had completely forgotten that he had yet to create any of them.

By saying that "there was not found" obviously indicates that there must have been a search, but there is no point in searching when nothing else has been created.

well you just violated your own argument of polysyndeton, which means, repetition of conjunctions in close succession. and succession means, a number of people or things sharing a specified characteristic and following one after the other.

Not necessarily. The importance of finding a mate for Eve is primary. It doesn't then follow that any and all animals formed were created afterwards, only that they're inadequate as mates. It's a great way to build a story; not so great for building your argument from ignorance.

 

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Error: Note that God did not make any animals for Adam. In fact, Adam and Eve were both created simultaneously as is noted in the first chapter of Genesis. Eve was taken from Adam's side. God made Eve helpful to Adam because she was useless stuck to his side.

Again you ERROR, MALE and FEMALE the Genders, or the SEXES was made/created on Day 6, meaning "ANOTHER of himself. so your argumen is rejected.

You're repeating yourself which doesn't advance the discussion in the slightest. You need to address what I've actually posted which not only addressed what you posted, but refuted it as well.

ERROR, see Chapter 2 gives detail account of chapter 1. so again your statement is erjected.

And as anyone who is well versed in telling a good yarn will know, it is always a good idea to point out exactly what God is referring to therefore, he articulates all of the animals that God had created.

nope not a good yarn, but a good author that makes UNDERSTANDING plain, for the animals is a "HELP" in the ecology of this planet. and the Woman the ANOTHER is a HELPER in this authority, scripture, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

I wish you understand chapter 2 and it's sufficiency in releating to the accounts of Chapter 1.

so your argument is again rejected.

Assuming that he must have forgotten that he didn't create anything else yet is to assume that the fallacy of Begging the Question isn't a fallacy. What you're claiming is that after God created Adam, he went looking for a help meet throughout all of creation, as if God had completely forgotten that he had yet to create any of them.

that's your problem in acussing me of "ASSUMPTION", no, read the bible for yourself, so don't let your argument be on a ASSUMPTION, that you think i have, argue from scripture, and not argue from assumption.. arguing from assumption is like arguing from Igorance.

By saying that "there was not found" obviously indicates that there must have been a search, but there is no point in searching when nothing else has been created.

see above.

Not necessarily. The importance of finding a mate for Eve is primary. It doesn't then follow that any and all animals formed were created afterwards, only that they're inadequate as mates. It's a great way to build a story; not so great for building your argument from ignorance.

see above.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[shnarkle]

Again you ERROR, MALE and FEMALE the Genders, or the SEXES was made/created on Day 6, meaning "ANOTHER of himself. so your argumen is rejected.

False. You do err greatly. It was in separating them that the sexes were revealed. You can't really have one without the other.

ERROR, see Chapter 2 gives detail account of chapter 1. so again your statement is erjected.

Error; see my original refutation which proves your error.

nope not a good yarn, but a good author that makes UNDERSTANDING plain, for the animals is a "HELP" in the ecology of this planet.

ERROR: God did not claim that the earth needed a help mate, but Adam needed a help mate.

I wish you understand chapter 2 and it's sufficiency in releating to the accounts of Chapter 1.

I only wish you would address what I've posted instead of continuing to repeat yourself which doesn't advance the discussion in the slightest.

so your argument is again rejected.

Rejecting an argument doesn't address it, much less refute it.

that's your problem in acussing me of "ASSUMPTION",

No. my problem is in bothering to continue engaging with someone who is ignorant of their own fallacious reasoning.

Your welcome to your own opinion, and it isn't the most uncompelling opinion I've ever heard. Nonetheless, it is just your opinion, and one which I don't really need to be reminded of anymore. Since you have no intention of addressing what I've posted, I'll just move on.

 

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t was in separating them that the sexes were revealed. You can't really have one without the other.

to all who follow this topic,

lets get some understanding on "Help Meet". Help, H5828 עֵזֶר `ezer (ay'-zer) n-m.
aid.
[from H5826]
KJV: help.

meet, a counterpart. a help as his counterpart. the native here in american, and indigenous people around the world have been telling us that man and animals are one in maintaing this planet. we should respect the ecology of this planet. we are to live as ONE on this planet.

God made animals for a reason. THE CYCLE OF LIFE, (which is another whole topic by itself).

see many think the "help meet" is only the wife of the MAN, to reproduce, NO, we say again, NO, not in context here to this planet. a help neet is a counter part that helps in an endeavor. and here, in Genesis, it's the maintaining of this planet LIFE.

MY GOD, people please UNDERSTAND.

this should answer all of your above questions.

the proverb is correct, Proverbs 4:7 "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding."

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[101G]

I hope people understand we're to "LIVE" together as ONE "WITH" NATURE.

deforestation, pollution,, over fishing, the GREEHOUSE HOUSE EFFECT is REAL, we're KILLING the planet. yes, we, the one who was put in charge by God.


PICJAG, 101g..

 

[Stephen]

Holy wall of text Batman!!!!!!!


Interesting thoughts. Day 3 has a certain appeal.

As is well known, Gen 1 is broken in to two cycles (Day 1-3, Day 4-6) and the cycles are related to each other

Day 1 - Lights Day 4 - Population of Lights
Day 2 - Sky/Waters Day 5 - Population in Sky/Waters
Day 3 - Earth/Plants Day 6 - Population on the earth/Animals

Day 3 and Day 6 are certainly linked, and Christ rising on the 3rd day has to have some echo back to the creation account. It would make sense in that regard, Christ the first, and then the rest of the population at his coming.


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I'm not saying I'm on board or agree, but I can certainly see where you might be on to something and have plenty room to develop the thought further.

 

[101G]

As is well known, Gen 1 is broken in to two cycles (Day 1-3, Day 4-6) and the cycles are related to each other

please explain this, Interesting

Day 1 - Lights Day 4 - Population of Lights

may I asks .... is the Light in day 1 the same light in day 4?

and thanks for at least the peek of intrest.

thanks in advance,

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Stephen]

please explain this, Interesting

I had read Gen 1 for a long time without seeing the pattern, but once somebody showed it to me, I can't read Gen 1 (or the bible at large) without connecting back to the creation days and the pattern when something is mentioned.

And once you have the pattern, you know what was created on what days without having to look at Gen 1.

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• On Day 1, God speaks and says "let there be light" and he separated the light from the darkness.
• On Day 4, God says “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night.

He creates a thing, "light" and then 3 days later he creates a population of lights. (Day 1 and 4 are related)

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• On Day 2, God separates the waters and calls the upper waters sky.
• On Day 5, God creates the birds to fill the sky and the fish to fill the waters.

He separates the sea and makes the "sky", then 3 days later he fills the sky with birds and the water with fish (Day 2 and Day 5 are related).

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• On day 3 God separates the earth from the waters and creates vegetation
• On day 6 God creates animals (and men and women) to fill the earth.

He creates a place for animals and people to live with lots of stuff to eat, and then 3 days later he fills the place with animals and people (Day 3 and Day 6 are related)

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The days are related to each other according to the pattern.
1 - 4
2 - 5
3 - 6

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And the days also have this pattern:
1,2,3 - God creates Stuff
4,5,6 - God creates populations related to that stuff

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Regarding your question about the light: Yes I think they are strongly related. God creates light, then he creates a population of lights. God separates the light from the darkness in Day 1. The Day 4 creations are also to perform that same task, to separate light from darkness.

Your idea of Adam being a Day 3 creation, and then people being created "in Adam" would be an interesting thesis to develop. The thesis certainly makes a for some connections and as such makes for an interesting rabbit hole to go down.

If Adam was a Day 3 creation, then Christ being resurrected on the 3rd day would be an avenue to pursue to support your cause. I haven't considered your hypothesis before, but it has a certain appeal. Christ being the bread of life, and other similar language in the gospels certainly points backwards to day 3. And if he is the second Adam, it would follow that he would mimic the first.

And like Adam had to wait for his bride, whom was taken from his side. So also Christ has to wait for his bride, and that spear in his side at the cross wasn't an accident, but reminds us of Adam's side.

Maybe Adam and Eve had separate creation days in addition to being separate creation events? It would be tough to demonstrate, but does connect a few dots. The Jewish Rabbis have been thinking about this stuff for thousands of years and might be a resource (sans the Christ stuff).

 

[101G]

The days are related to each other according to the pattern.
1 - 4
2 - 5
3 - 6

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And the days also have this pattern:
1,2,3 - God creates Stuff
4,5,6 - God creates populations related to that stuff

Intresting, i will copy for future reference and study, thanks.

Regarding your question about the light: Yes I think they are strongly related. God creates light, then he creates a population of lights. God separates the light from the darkness in Day 1. The Day 4 creations are also to perform that same task, to separate light from darkness.

not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this,

now there is a couple of distinction between what happen on day 1 at the beginning, and day 4.

#1. God divided the light from the darkness in verse 4, on the first day. but in verse 14 it is the sun and the earth that divide the day from the night. we have two division of light/day, and darkness/night. if it was good, why divide it again? and three, in verse 4, it's, "LIGHT", a single designation, whereas in verse 14 it's plural.

#2. Here's the revelation,
the definition of Light in verse 4, is H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f.
1. illumination.
2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).
[from H215]
KJV: bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.

Notice that word "happiness" in the definition #2, because I'll be coming back to it. the definition of “Light” in verse 14, the shinning light, not the object that is the source of the light, but the shining light itself is,
H215 אוֹר 'owr (ore) v.
1. to be luminous.
2. (causative) to make luminous.
{literally and metaphorically}
[a primitive root]
KJV: X break of day, glorious, kindle, (be, en-, give, show) light (-en, -ened), set on fire, shine.

Notice how the kjv can translate this light, "shine" keep this in mind. and the shining LIGHT in verse 4 & 5 is
H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f.
1. illumination.
2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).
[from H215]
KJV: bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.
Root(s): H215

Look at the first definition of each, 1. to be luminous. 1. illumination. see the difference. also NOTICE, in H215 אוֹר 'owr (ore) v. the KJV can translate this LIGHT, "Shine" which in found in verse 14. but the Light in verse 4 & 5 is not or is not translate so, or can be translated as "shine". so the conclusion, the Light in verses 4 & 5 is not the same in verse 14, the scriptures makes that crystal Clear.

here is my analysis,

remember, I said keep definition H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f. in your mind, about "happiness", lets look at it.
1. illumination.
2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).
[from H215]
KJV: bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.

notice #2. in the second definition, "happiness", now scripture, Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old." Proverbs 8:23 "I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was." Proverbs 8:24 "When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water." Proverbs 8:25 "Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:" Proverbs 8:26 "While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world." Proverbs 8:27 "When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:" Proverbs 8:28 "When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:" Proverbs 8:29 "When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:" Proverbs 8:30 "Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;" Proverbs 8:31 "Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men."

that word "delight" guess what it means? that's right "Happiness" the same happiness found in definition H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f. Notice #2.
1. illumination.
2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).
[from H215]
KJV: bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.

one more, in Proverbs 8:31 "Rejoicing", another word for it..... that's right "happiness"
so without a doubt, the LIGHT in verses 4 and 5 is not natural sunlight, or physical, light, but the source of ALL KNOWKEDGE and UNDERSTANDING, WISDOM, the Living WORD of God, the Light of the world, John 1:4, & 9, and Wisdom is illumination or enlightenment. in knowledgement and Understanding. this is why I cannot believe that the sun was shining on day 1 or that a cloud was around the earth as many believe.

My sources for this Revelation is, The Holy Spirit, as teacher, the help aide, and the Holy Bible, (the King James Version), with the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

so, this is my understanding, when GOD said, Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." let there be KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING, supportive scripture, Proverbs 2:6 "For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding."

and what came out of God's MOUTH? "let there be...... " let there be wisdom in Knowledge and understanding of what I did.

so to me, Light = Knowledge and Understanding, which is the Wisdom of God.

Darkness to me = Lack of Knowledge, or Understanding, .... Ignorance.of this world.

1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

Just something to think or consider. but I like your points.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

In order to END right, one must be right from the beginning. and one of the key point in getting man right is their beginning.

Many believe man/Adam was Formed on day 6/six. We say no, man was "FORMED" on Day 3 and "MADE" ... male and female on day 6.

let us be clear, Man, the person, "FORMED"/CREATED day 3, MADE male and Female day 6.

well this should light a fire, but bring firewood, oh I mean scripture to back up your claim.

so we will go first,

As stated, Man, was “formed”, on day 3. open your bible to Genesis 1:9-13 and read the 3rd day creation. next read in your bible, Genesis chapter 2:4-7. verses 5-7 tells us what God did in detail on day 3, which correspond with Genesis 1:9-13. here is the revelation. according to Genesis chapter 1 on day 3 verse 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so". but according to Chapter 2, BEFORE the grass grew, and BEFORE any herb grew, BEFORE any trees came forth listen, 5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God, had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". remember this is DAY 3, read that verse 5 again and notice the word BEFORE. next verse, 6 “But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". now going back to chapter 1, to verse 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good". STOP, LOOK and LISTEN, if the Earth brought fort grass herbs and trees on day 3 according to chapter 2 verse 5 this same bible said that "BEFORE" the grass grew, and "BEFORE" plant was even in the EARTH, there was no "RAIN", and no "MAN". read that 5th verse again, and watch the association of Rain, and man. now the next verse, 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". verse 6 just told us that now there was rain, in the form of mist, and now a man, which is BEFORE any grass grew, and before any plants, and BEFORE any trees. and remember this is day 3. Let’s go back to verse 5 of chapter 2 again, "And every plant of the field "before" it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". before any seed in the ground, and before any grass GREW, and before any Plants, and Trees, now the ground was watered, (by a mist), and the man formed. because chapter 1 verse 12 said that the EARTH brought forth grass, and trees on Day 3. and chapter 2 said before the grass grew, before the herbs and trees, there was rain in the form of mist, and the man formed. there is the proof of man and rain/dew before day 3 ended. to clarify this further. the ONE man that was formed on day 3 and was CREATED, MADE into male and female on DAY 6, after there was not found a suitable help meet for the one man, (see Genesis 2:18-20). the man was before the animals, only the woman was “formed” ... brought forth, after the animals, but was in the man before the animals. what did this just tell us, (a). we did not evolve from animals, so Darwin lied. (b). we were the first living creatures to walk on the planet. Woman was formed, not created, or made, but formed on day 6, then made and created into female. because no help meet was found for the man, God brought forth from the ONE MAN, then another MAN, (woman), which God created female. Understand on the 6th day the one MAN was not CREATED again into existence, but another man was “formed”, or MADE, and both the first man and his “another”, or diversified self, was CREATED into male and female on day 6. but when God formed man on day three there was no female, because she was in the man, (just as the Lord was in the Spirit, before coming as the equal share), she was "MADE"/formed on Day 6. Supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 2:13 "For Adam was first formed, then Eve”. notice the woman was not created she was "formed" just as as the first man, but the creation of both was in their respective genders. Other words it is in the permutation, or the permuting of the genetic structure. Simply put, the alteration or arrangement of the genetic sequencing. that's the difference between being FORMED, and CREATED. the man and the woman was CREATED permutated male and female on day 6. the Man existed in this world before the woman, as a single person, but both was CREATED or permutated male and female on the same day, (this is why she is called an ADAM, meaning manKIND), which was day 6. supportive scripture, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created". the man, both the female and the male, was identified both as ADAM on day 6 in the DAY
they were CREATED, created how? answer, male and female. not created into existence as such, but created male and female on day 6. I hope you can see it now. conclusion, Man was FORMED on day 3 before any grass grew, before any plant, or trees. the woman was MADE, or brought forth on day 6 after the animals. and on day 6 both the man, and (the woman), was CREATED as "Male", and "Female". we have one MAN FORMED day 3 another Formed day 6th. and each was made male and female.

later we will give our reasoning for the 6th DAY making of male and female, in contrast to the animals.

PICJAG, 101G.

BOY HOWDY!!!! The sure was a lot of work for nothing!!