The age of the universe

inertia

Super Member
Yes, Godless men with philosophical axioms including Old Earth and Bible as fairy tales, not Old Earth Theists. By the by, i read Behe. He goes along with it all. It is not like he has deep philosophical convictions to old earth or evolution. I am certainly not going to fact check all these. But i am willing to bet a lot of them are wishy-washy about it all. They can make their case from Scripture or go home. You certainly have not with your cherry-picks and omissions. Are you telling us the mind of the author who wrote evening and morning did not mean an ordinary day? You may believe that he meant to convey something else but you were not there.

You have direct quotes from God in the passages. Then God said...... God is the eyewitness and Moses is the scribe and as usual, the response is selected cherry-picks or talking points. The Bible does not give an exact date is an argument from silence and they are poo. :poop: I know i told you about the chronologists before but you blew it off and are back to the same talking points. No surprise there. Just blow off any fact and come back later with the same old song and dance. Let the bible speak for itself. Moses used evening and morning spec to depict a time period. Ordinary day. If he meant a much longer time period then he would have used something else. They knew how to measure time by the stars and movements. Day four indicates that. Years months and days. There was no confusion there. They knew what a day was and so did Moses.

Why does the verses contain direct quotes from God? Are you saying it is a lie or an exaggeration?

It is chronological... day 1 day 2 and so forth. How can they be read in isolation when the account is chronological?

It is historical. It is the prime historical account and the others are supplements.

Right, it is not detailed. So what. It is all we need to know and none of it adds up to deep time or billion yrs earth.
I believe the best approach is to let the Bible provide its own definitions. Letting it speak for itself helps a lot.
 

Cisco Qid

Active member
How old is the universe?
And how do we know?
About a hundred years ago, a christian priest named Georges Lemaitre, calculated the age of the universe, based on the red shift of known galaxies.
He based his work on the observations of Edwin Hubble... who then checked his, Lemaitre's, work.
Their work was then checked by one Albert Einstein, who first dismissed it. And then confirmed it.

Since then, their combined work has been tested and confirmed by countless other astronomers and cosmologists
One of the things that I found difficult to accept in the calculation of the age of the universe is the assumption that Hubble's constant is linear over a vast distance of 14 billion light years and its linear relationship between redshift and distance and at distances that we have no other standard candles. It just seems too simple. Even ohm's law is not linear under some circumstances.
 

ferengi

Well-known member
How old is the universe?
And how do we know?
About a hundred years ago, a christian priest named Georges Lemaitre, calculated the age of the universe, based on the red shift of known galaxies.
He based his work on the observations of Edwin Hubble... who then checked his, Lemaitre's, work.
Their work was then checked by one Albert Einstein, who first dismissed it. And then confirmed it.

Since then, their combined work has been tested and confirmed by countless other astronomers and cosmologists
Prove it
 

ferengi

Well-known member
The Hubble Constant

Apparently, by bridging the values obtained from the Cosmic Microwave Background and Cepheid variables* H0 = 69.8 km/sec*Mpc.

- Running the calculation:

1/H0 = (1/69.8 Mpc*sec/km)*(3.09*10^19 km/Mpc)*(1/3.156*10^7 yr/sec) = 14.027 billion years
...................


* Reference: Hubble Constant measurements
HOw do you know that is the exact value of the HC? Did you calculate gravitational time dilation?
 

inertia

Super Member
Every set of measurements carries uncertainty. I know you know this.

See ---> determinations of the Hubble constant

So you bring nothing but faith - but thats all the atheist has
Sadly, atheists don't have any faith in God.

"Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see." (Hebrews 11:1)

Measurements do not require faith because they are physical, repeatable, and provide a systematic baseline of knowledge. Even rounding is acceptable based on the Bible's use of the value of pi (circumference/diameter). Physical uncertainty is understood in both the Bible and in science.

A protractor.JPG

"He also made the large bronze basin called "The Sea." It measured 15 feet from rim to rim, was circular in shape, and stood seven-and-a-half feet high. Its circumference was 45 feet." ( 1 Kings 7:23 )

>> Circum = 45;
>> Dia = 15;
>> Value = Circum/Dia;
>> Value

Value =

3

As we know Pi is approximately 3.1416...

...........

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inertia

Super Member
One of the things that I found difficult to accept in the calculation of the age of the universe is the assumption that Hubble's constant is linear over a vast distance of 14 billion light years and its linear relationship between redshift and distance and at distances that we have no other standard candles. It just seems too simple. Even ohm's law is not linear under some circumstances.
It's interesting to explore God's stretching the universe.
 
One of the things that I found difficult to accept in the calculation of the age of the universe is the assumption that Hubble's constant is linear over a vast distance of 14 billion light years and its linear relationship between redshift and distance and at distances that we have no other standard candles. It just seems too simple. Even ohm's law is not linear under some circumstances.

Yes, this is really interesting. It seems to me that in the coming decades we will not get far ahead in determining the age of the universe until some significant breakthrough occurs in the field of space exploration. But there could be a breakthrough because there are companies like https://www.skyrora.com/ that are already showing competitive potential. Perhaps, through joint efforts, mankind will be able to start space travel, send teams of specialists to the Moon and Mars, to begin with, and begin full-scale space exploration.
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
I believe the best approach is to let the Bible provide its own definitions. Letting it speak for itself helps a lot.
The Bible also warns us not to distort Scripture in order to accommodate contemporary human wisdom. Second Peter 3:16 states: “as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction” (NASB).

Apologetics Press - Assumptions and the Age of the Earth

The sun moon and stars on day four according to Genesis. That means there was no sun moon and stars prior. Your Old Earth is falsified by the plain teachings of Scripture.
 

J regia

Well-known member
The sun moon and stars on day four according to Genesis. That means there was no sun moon and stars prior. Your Old Earth is falsified by the plain teachings of Scripture.
And many billions of years ago did that occur, given that there are ~two trillion visible galaxies and the speed of light is ~300,000 km/sec?
 
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