God does not need His anger soothed? Why does He ask for atonement? The meaning of atonement is to soothe wrath through an offering.
If God does not know then God could not have faith. You can not have blind faith but faith is based upon substance and substance is evidential knowledge. If God did not have these things then God could not have faith in them If God has not faith then he would not provides us with his faith. It is that simple. The scriptures state that the just shall live by faith. Is not God just? How can God be just if he does not believe in what he has spoken or in what God does.
The scriptures do not teach that God needs to be soothed nor does it teach penal substitution. It is man's tradition that teaches that.
why do you say"if God does not know"? What I have been saying to you is that God knows, therefore He does not need faith.If God does not know then God could not have faith. You can not have blind faith but faith is based upon substance and substance is evidential knowledge. If God did not have these things then God could not have faith in them If God has not faith then he would not provides us with his faith. It is that simple. The scriptures state that the just shall live by faith. Is not God just? How can God be just if he does not believe in what he has spoken or in what God does.
Love, faith and hope are spiritual gifts from God and God operates out of these things that God has. God has desires and intentions and they are based upon what? Does God believe in his Words? Does God believe in the council of his will? Does God believe in his attribute and in his character? If God does not have faith then God can do nothing at all!
God bless you.
I just quoted the genesis passage that tells you His anger was soothed and then you say God does not need to be soothed.The scriptures do not teach that God needs to be soothed nor does it teach penal substitution. It is man's tradition that teaches that.
Also, one must understand that God condescends down to man's level of understanding which is why God was made manifest in the flesh but God is Spirit. We can grieve the Holy Spirit or offend God but that is God condescending to our level. However, God on a transcendental level can not be offended and everything that proceeds from God glorifies God and is complete in him. However, creation is a showcase that glorifies God by going through contrast thus God must condescend to the earthly level to bring man to the heavenly level. However. all things are complete in God in the eternal Now and always will be!
God bless you.
Jesus entrusted himself to his Father because Jesus had faith. God knows which is why God has faith in what he knows. God bless you.
Yes, God condescending to an earthly level shows that God need to be soothed but not on a transcendental level. I hope that you understand this. God bless you.
The whole time we have been talking about God's interaction on earth and you have been denying His wrath needed to be soothed, now you are agreeing?Yes, God condescending to an earthly level shows that God need to be soothed but not on a transcendental level. I hope that you understand this. God bless you.
Show a scripture that states God has faith, then we can talk about what it meansJesus entrusted himself to his Father because Jesus had faith. God knows which is why God has faith in what he knows. God bless you.
One has to understand God from God's perspective but God has to deal with man where he is at. How does God do that?
so why all the flat out denials that God's anger must be soothed. How is that in the least productive in a conversation?One has to understand God from God's perspective but God has to deal with man where he is at. How does God do that?
Yes, for man's sake God is angry, God needs to be soothed but not for God's own sake. Man has no influence on God but God has influence on man! God bless you.
You are denying the power of the Holy Spirit to convict unbelievers of their sins (John 16:4-15) and to work through their hearts and minds.
Peter says to repent before you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:38. Do you believe what he said? No repentance -> No regeneration.
Once again you're denying the power of the Holy Spirit to convict unbelievers of their sins (John 16:4-15) and to appeal to their hearts and minds.
Regeneration happened only after the Cross and the Ascension. That's why Pentecost was so monumental. Before that, the OT Saints were justified faithful believers but not regenerated. The entire OT is a testament to the fact that Faith precedes Regeneration.
To not give God credit for man's conscience, heart, and mind is a denial of the grace that God has given everyone and is an outright lie.
Natural faith is not the same as spiritual faith, The Holy Spirit convicts one of sin and it is God that gives us spiritual repentance. Walking in the flesh is not pleasing God and the carnal mind is hostile to God.
God did not send his Son into the world to be a sacrificial offering to soothe God's anger and to satisfy God's justice. All God had to do was change the man and give him a spiritual disposition and get rid of the old man. That is what Jesus accomplished! God is not effected by what man does because God is sovereign over man. However, one must understand what it means for God to condescend to man's level like sending his son into the world as a flesh man.
Holy Spirit convicts, We repent, God grants us repentance, and THEN we are regenerated. Regeneration is AFTER conviction and repentance.
How "dead" were the OT Saints? They were not regenerated but they were justified faithful believers.
It is the other way around God grants spiritual creations repentance. God is not interested in the old man dead in trespasses and sins and has put him away!
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
You are forgetting our repentance. You are claiming that a not-yet repented regenerated person exists. There is no example of a not-yet repented regenerated person anywhere in the entire Bible which proves that is an impossibility and a monstrosity.
Nobody here is saying that we have superpowers to quicken ourselves out of death.
Again, you are forgetting our repentance. You are avoiding Acts 2:38 like the plague because it proves that repentance must occur before receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Bible does teach penal substitution, however there is so much more to it. Back in the early church they didn't have theories. They didn't give labels to things like we do now. Most (all?) of what we have as theories today, cover various aspects of Christ's death on the cross, to include penal substitution. Christus Victor, Ransom Theory, etc.The scriptures do not teach that God needs to be soothed nor does it teach penal substitution. It is man's tradition that teaches that.
Also, one must understand that God condescends down to man's level of understanding which is why God was made manifest in the flesh but God is Spirit. We can grieve the Holy Spirit or offend God but that is God condescending to our level. However, God on a transcendental level can not be offended and everything that proceeds from God glorifies God and is complete in him. However, creation is a showcase that glorifies God by going through contrast thus God must condescend to the earthly level to bring man to the heavenly level. However. all things are complete in God in the eternal Now and always will be!
God bless you.
Paul is speaking to the one who has been regenerated and called to God not the old man buried with Christ in his death. The new spiritual man is reconciling himself to God because of grace of faith. If God is not reconciling humanity to God then man can not reconcile themselves back to God. However, dead men can do nothing! God bless you.