The Arminian Lie Is A Gross Deception

Lots of ideas there in your post, but what about the one I posted that God smelled Noah's sacrifice and it was a soothing aroma.?
Why "soothed"?
Does God smell and do people teach that God needed to have his wrath soothed thus Making Jesus a scape goat for man sins and Jesus took man's place? Do you know what it means for God to condescend to man's level of understanding? Jesus coming into the world and became a living sacrifice is a Condensation. Gpd bless you. :)
 
It seems that he and I, Chalcedon. are on the same page with many ideas. This may be the biggest example of a different understanding
Yeah, y'all will agree a lot more than y'all used to. I think he still likes to defend the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ as a Flesh and Bone person...
 
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Yeah, y'all will agree a lot more than y'all used to. I think he still likes to defend the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ as a Flesh and Blood person...
Is the Spirit of Christ in us a flesh body? Is the church of Christ a spiritual body or a flesh body? Does not scriptures state that we a joined to one Spirit. God bless you. :)
 
Does God smell and do people teach that God needed to have his wrath soothed thus Making Jesus a scape goat for man sins and Jesus took man's place? Do you know what it means for God to condescend to man's level of understanding? Jesus coming into the world and became a living sacrifice is a Condensation. Gpd bless you. :)
Does God smell? Yes. The Bible says He does.
But if you are asking if that is metaphoric. I would agree. The Father does not have a nose, nor any parts of a human body.
But the Bible says the smoke of the offering was in His nostrils and it soothed Him.
It is not enough to distinguish between His experience with us on earth and His presence in Heaven, if you use that to discount that "He smelled and was soothed"
So yes, it is metaphoric, but for what? What is a literal description of what happened?
 
Does God smell? Yes. The Bible says He does.
But if you are asking if that is metaphoric. I would agree. The Father does not have a nose, nor any parts of a human body.
But the Bible says the smoke of the offering was in His nostrils and it soothed Him.
It is not enough to distinguish between His experience with us on earth and His presence in Heaven, if you use that to discount that "He smelled and was soothed"
So yes, it is metaphoric, but for what? What is a literal description of what happened?
If we do not understand what is literal then how can we understand what is metaphorical? God does not have a nose but God can reach us on our level and transend our understanding of him. God bless you.
 
If we do not understand what is literal then how can we understand what is metaphorical? God does not have a nose but God can reach us on our level and transend our understanding of him. God bless you.
That is a non-answer.
What does it mean in a literal sense that God smelled and was soothed?
 
Does God smell? Yes. The Bible says He does.
But if you are asking if that is metaphoric. I would agree. The Father does not have a nose, nor any parts of a human body.
But the Bible says the smoke of the offering was in His nostrils and it soothed Him.
It is not enough to distinguish between His experience with us on earth and His presence in Heaven, if you use that to discount that "He smelled and was soothed"
So yes, it is metaphoric, but for what? What is a literal description of what happened?
God states that he does not repent yet some where else it does. What does that mean? If God is condescending to our level of understanding which is God condescending then God repenting must be understood in proper context. God bless you. :)
 
God states that he does not repent yet some where else it does. What does that mean? If God is condescending to our level of understanding which is God condescending then God repenting must be understood in proper context. God bless you. :)
I have a question for you, personally.
Do you give your best understanding here, intending to deal directly with what is said to you?
Or do you intentionally jump track, and avoid directly response to the concepts presented to you?
From my point of view, you deflect most of the time, ignoring the details and concepts stated to you, and instead bring up ideas that are periferally related.
 
I have a question for you, personally.
Do you give your best understanding here, intending to deal directly with what is said to you?
Or do you intentionally jump track, and avoid directly response to the concepts presented to you?
From my point of view, you deflect most of the time, ignoring the details and concepts stated to you, and instead bring up ideas that are periferally related.
I am just preparing you for direct answers so you can understand them. God bless you. :)
 
That is not saying that Jesus died in humanity's place as a substitute! God bless you. The fact is that God is not saving the old man! God bless you. :)
Jesus took the penalty of the elect, removing the stigma of sin, taking the writ of the ordinances that stood against the elect upon Himself on the cross. This is what Paul is saying. In the sacrificial system, the sin sacrifice died as a substitute. The death symbolizing what man would face for their sin, and in the death of the sacrifice, the sin was atoned/covered. For without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. Did you completely miss the symbolism of Abraham sacrificing Isaac? God told Abraham to stop, and not to kill Isaac, and provided the ram as a substitute sacrifice for Isaac. Everything has meaning. This was foreshadowing what Jesus did. God stopped from killing the elect, and provided His Son in their place.
 
Does not state that God need his wrath soothed! God bless you!
Where does it not state it?
Joh_3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Your so called universal salvation falls flat. The wrath of God remains on you.
 
Does not state that God need his wrath soothed! God bless you!
Where does it not state it?
Joh_3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Your so called universal salvation falls flat. The wrath of God remains on you.
 
Where does it not state it?
Joh_3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Your so called universal salvation falls flat. The wrath of God remains on you.
Gods wrath is not being questioned but God's wrath being soothed is. God has control over man. God is sovereign. God did not send his Son into the world to sooth God's wrath and he did not die in man's place to save humanity but died with Adam and in death humanity is dead with Christ. Jesus was a sacrifice for sins not a penal sacrifice. God did not change the law that the soul that sins shall die. Humanity is dead with Christ in his death and has been replaced as a new spiritual humanity each to come into effect in God's order and time. God is saving man from his fallen condition and making a new spiritual man. Christ is the first born of all creation. God bless you. :)
 
Jesus took the penalty of the elect, removing the stigma of sin, taking the writ of the ordinances that stood against the elect upon Himself on the cross. This is what Paul is saying. In the sacrificial system, the sin sacrifice died as a substitute. The death symbolizing what man would face for their sin, and in the death of the sacrifice, the sin was atoned/covered. For without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. Did you completely miss the symbolism of Abraham sacrificing Isaac? God told Abraham to stop, and not to kill Isaac, and provided the ram as a substitute sacrifice for Isaac. Everything has meaning. This was foreshadowing what Jesus did. God stopped from killing the elect, and provided His Son in their place.
Jesus was a living sacrifice for man's sins not a penal substitute dying in Adams place Jesus died with Adam in his death and Adam is dead with Christ in Jesus death. The old Adam dead in trespasses and sins is being replaced in Christ as a new spiritual creation and the old man is being put away.


2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Jesus was not sent into the world to sooth God's wrath which is the just penalty for death but to destroy death and that is through a new spiritual creation. God has shown his love for humanity and is not affected by the sins of Adam. God is sovereign and in control and all is gong according to God's plan and redemption is part of that. What God is doing for a single man God is doing for all of humanity. Adam is all of humanity.

Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

All have sinned and come short of the glory of God and God is saving every one and there are no exceptions:

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

To teach limited atonement as the Calvinist and Arminian doctrine does is to teach a false gospel. The Arminian say that they teach an unlimited atonement is an outright lie when they put restrictions on an unconditional covenant. Arminist and Calvinist doctrine deny Jesus atonement by making it incomplete and they mock God.

God bless you. :)
 
Gods wrath is not being questioned but God's wrath being soothed is. God has control over man. God is sovereign. God did not send his Son into the world to sooth God's wrath and he did not die in man's place to save humanity but died with Adam and in death humanity is dead with Christ. Jesus was a sacrifice for sins not a penal sacrifice. God did not change the law that the soul that sins shall die. Humanity is dead with Christ in his death and has been replaced as a new spiritual humanity each to come into effect in God's order and time. God is saving man from his fallen condition and making a new spiritual man. Christ is the first born of all creation. God bless you. :)
You are indeed questioning the wrath of God and pretend it does not exist, or is of no consequence.

The reason you do this is to justify your heretical teaching of universal salvation. - "God is not angry and does not need to be appeased" or "God does not require justice"
 
You are indeed questioning the wrath of God and pretend it does not exist, or is of no consequence.

The reason you do this is to justify your heretical teaching of universal salvation. - "God is not angry and does not need to be appeased" or "God does not require justice"
God requires justice but not in the way that it mistakenly taught. God sees to it that justice is accomplished but not by making Jesus a scape goat for man's sins but by Jesus becoming a sacrifice for sins and eliminating the old man and replacing him with a new spiritual man. Thus, one must not only consider Jesus death but his resurrection as well. God does not need his justice satisfied because God is just and when God judges the world there will be positive results that glorify God. All will believe God and glorify God but many teach contra wise and teach a false gospel. God bless you.
 
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