The Atonement

Carbon

Well-known member
Do you understand the Atonement {In Scripture} as,

Limited
or
unlimited

Did the Atonement actually save?
or
Make it possible for salvation?

Passages?
 

PeanutGallery

Well-known member
Do you understand the Atonement {In Scripture} as,

Limited
or
unlimited
Limited to those who believe.

1Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.


Did the Atonement actually save?
or
Make it possible for salvation?
God saves those who believe by regeneration and the Holy Ghost; the atonement makes it possible, as does his death, burial, resurrection.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
 

zerinus

Well-known member
Do you understand the Atonement {In Scripture} as,

Limited
or
unlimited
Unlimited.
Did the Atonement actually save?
or
Make it possible for salvation?
Both. It made salvation both possible for all, as well as actually saved all that believed.
Passages?
Many. These ones readily come to mind:

John 3:

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 4:

42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

Acts 17:

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Romans 5:

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

1 Timothy 2:

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

1 Timothy 4:

10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

2 Peter 3:

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 John 4:

14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Do you understand the Atonement {In Scripture} as,

Limited
or
unlimited

Did the Atonement actually save?
or
Make it possible for salvation?

Passages?
Definitely limited to Gods Elect, and Effectual. I have many scriptures in a thread I started here:
 

brightfame52

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Unlimited.

Both. It made salvation both possible for all, as well as actually saved all that believed.


Many. These ones readily come to mind:

John 3:

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 4:

42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

Acts 17:

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Romans 5:

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

1 Timothy 2:

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

1 Timothy 4:

10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

2 Peter 3:

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 John 4:

14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
All them scriptures pertain to the Elect !
 

brightfame52

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Limited to those who believe.

1Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.



God saves those who believe by regeneration and the Holy Ghost; the atonement makes it possible, as does his death, burial, resurrection.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Only those who believe are the Ones Christ died for, believing on Him is the fruit of His death. Jn 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
 

PeanutGallery

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Only those who believe are the Ones Christ died for, believing on Him is the fruit of His death. Jn 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
"are the Ones Christ died for", "will draw all men unto me"; right, Christ died for all men.
 
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TomFL

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Only those who believe are the Ones Christ died for, believing on Him is the fruit of His death. Jn 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
Nothing there mentions a limitation
 
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TomFL

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Do you understand the Atonement {In Scripture} as,

Limited
or
unlimited

Did the Atonement actually save?
or
Make it possible for salvation?

Passages?
The extent of the atonement is unlimited


Christ died for all

John 1:7
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 4:42
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
John 6:33
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
2 Corinthians 5:18–21
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
John 12:47–48
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The application of it limited to those that believe

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
 

ReverendRV

Well-known member
Do you understand the Atonement {In Scripture} as,

Limited
or
unlimited

Did the Atonement actually save?
or
Make it possible for salvation?

Passages?
1) The Atonement is Limited; every Christian agrees to this but differ as to why/how it's limited...

2) The Atonement Propitiated the Wrath of God; but this Propitiation is obviously limited by a lack of Faith. In this light, the Atonement made Salvation possible...

3) Leviticus 16:10...
 

zerinus

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Definitely limited to Gods Elect, and Effectual. I have many scriptures in a thread I started here:
I had a look. The same false doctrines taught there, to which others generally seem to have given good replies, therefore no need for me to add more.
All them scriptures pertain to the Elect !
Agreed; except that they become “elect” by their own choice, not by some kind of predestination or predetermination, according to the heresy of Calvinism !
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
I had a look. The same false doctrines taught there, to which others generally seem to have given good replies, therefore no need for me to add more.

Agreed; except that they become “elect” by their own choice, not by some kind of predestination or predetermination, according to the heresy of Calvinism !
Any scripture pertaining to Salvation is referring to the Elect, that's who Salvation in Christ Jesus is specifically for. 2 Tim 2:10

Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
 

zerinus

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Any scripture pertaining to Salvation is referring to the Elect, that's who Salvation in Christ Jesus is specifically for. 2 Tim 2:10

Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
If he is working hard so that the “elect” may obtain salvation, then it can’t be predetermined, because then they would have it anyways regardless, and he wouldn’t need to work so hard.
 
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