The Atonement

zerinus

zerinus

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Carbon said:
That's a fact. if you believe in Him you have eternal life. It's descriptive, not perscriptive.
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It is prescriptive, as made clear in these verses:

John 6:

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
 
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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
All them scriptures pertain to the Elect !
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Absurd

Not one verse mentions the elect

This is a clear case of one imposing his theology upon the bible

being unwilling to hear what the bible does say

The Atonement

Do you understand the Atonement {In Scripture} as, Limited or unlimited Did the Atonement actually save? or Make it possible for salvation? Passages?
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brightfame52

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TomFL said:
Absurd

Not one verse mentions the elect

This is a clear case of one imposing his theology upon the bible

being unwilling to hear what the bible does say

The Atonement

Do you understand the Atonement {In Scripture} as, Limited or unlimited Did the Atonement actually save? or Make it possible for salvation? Passages?
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Any and all scripture pertaining positively to Salvation, Christs Death, Gods Love and so forth, pertains solely to the Elect, without question !
 
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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
Any and all scripture pertaining positively to Salvation, Christs Death, Gods Love and so forth, pertains solely to the Elect, without question !
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Sorry that is just assumption

And if you will not heed scripture can you really be presented as a bible believer

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I do not see how it is possible
 
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brightfame52

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TomFL said:
Sorry that is just assumption

And if you will not heed scripture can you really be presented as a bible believer

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I do not see how it is possible
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No its a fact, an elementary one at that.
 
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brightfame52

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TomFL said:
Not if one goes by the bible

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Yes if one goes by the bible. You dont go by the bible. Watch In Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

When were they reconciled to God according to the bible here ?
 
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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
Yes if one goes by the bible. You dont go by the bible. Watch In Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

When were they reconciled to God according to the bible here ?
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If there was truth in your claim you would be able to address rebuttal

but there is not and you can't

The Free Will of Lazarus and choice

No scripture says " you must first come to Christ to receive life" Where's it at ? Tell me, how can a dead person come ? Do you have anything more than denial to offer John 5:40 (ESV) 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. one comes to Christ by believing on him John 6:53...
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Reformedguy

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zerinus said:
Of course they do. “Denying the Lord that bought them” means exactly that. How did he “buy” them, except by means of the blood of his atoning sacrifice?

1 Peter 1:

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

The word “precious” means costly, valuable, like silver and gold—only infinitely more so. He “bought” them by means of the previous blood of his atoning sacrifice. Go figure.
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Nope, no atonement in those verses. Your presuming based on what you think the atonement might be
 
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brightfame52

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TomFL said:
If there was truth in your claim you would be able to address rebuttal

but there is not and you can't

The Free Will of Lazarus and choice

No scripture says " you must first come to Christ to receive life" Where's it at ? Tell me, how can a dead person come ? Do you have anything more than denial to offer John 5:40 (ESV) 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. one comes to Christ by believing on him John 6:53...
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When were they reconciled to God according to the bible here ? Rom 5:10
 
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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
When were they reconciled to God according to the bible here ? Rom 5:10
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When they believed

Romans 5:10 (ESV)
10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

Romans 5:1-2 (ESV)
1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.



The Free Will of Lazarus and choice

No scripture says " you must first come to Christ to receive life" Where's it at ? Tell me, how can a dead person come ? Do you have anything more than denial to offer John 5:40 (ESV) 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. one comes to Christ by believing on him John 6:53...
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brightfame52

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TomFL said:
When they believed

Romans 5:10 (ESV)
10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

Romans 5:1-2 (ESV)
1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.



The Free Will of Lazarus and choice

No scripture says " you must first come to Christ to receive life" Where's it at ? Tell me, how can a dead person come ? Do you have anything more than denial to offer John 5:40 (ESV) 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. one comes to Christ by believing on him John 6:53...
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False.
 
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TomFL

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brightfame52 said:
False.
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No it's true before that

Ephesians 2:3 (KJV)
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Ephesians 2:12 (ESV)
12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

that is not reconciliation
 
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brightfame52

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TomFL said:
No it's true before that

Ephesians 2:3 (KJV)
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Ephesians 2:12 (ESV)
12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

that is not reconciliation
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False
 
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