The Atonement

zerinus

Well-known member
That's a fact. if you believe in Him you have eternal life. It's descriptive, not perscriptive.
It is prescriptive, as made clear in these verses:

John 6:

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
 
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TomFL

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All them scriptures pertain to the Elect !
Absurd

Not one verse mentions the elect

This is a clear case of one imposing his theology upon the bible

being unwilling to hear what the bible does say

 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Absurd

Not one verse mentions the elect

This is a clear case of one imposing his theology upon the bible

being unwilling to hear what the bible does say

Any and all scripture pertaining positively to Salvation, Christs Death, Gods Love and so forth, pertains solely to the Elect, without question !
 
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TomFL

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Any and all scripture pertaining positively to Salvation, Christs Death, Gods Love and so forth, pertains solely to the Elect, without question !
Sorry that is just assumption

And if you will not heed scripture can you really be presented as a bible believer


I do not see how it is possible
 

brightfame52

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Sorry that is just assumption

And if you will not heed scripture can you really be presented as a bible believer


I do not see how it is possible
No its a fact, an elementary one at that.
 

brightfame52

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Not if one goes by the bible

Yes if one goes by the bible. You dont go by the bible. Watch In Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

When were they reconciled to God according to the bible here ?
 
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TomFL

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Yes if one goes by the bible. You dont go by the bible. Watch In Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

When were they reconciled to God according to the bible here ?
If there was truth in your claim you would be able to address rebuttal

but there is not and you can't

 

Reformedguy

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Of course they do. “Denying the Lord that bought them” means exactly that. How did he “buy” them, except by means of the blood of his atoning sacrifice?

1 Peter 1:

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:


The word “precious” means costly, valuable, like silver and gold—only infinitely more so. He “bought” them by means of the previous blood of his atoning sacrifice. Go figure.
Nope, no atonement in those verses. Your presuming based on what you think the atonement might be
 

brightfame52

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If there was truth in your claim you would be able to address rebuttal

but there is not and you can't

When were they reconciled to God according to the bible here ? Rom 5:10
 
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TomFL

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When were they reconciled to God according to the bible here ? Rom 5:10
When they believed

Romans 5:10 (ESV)
10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

Romans 5:1-2 (ESV)
1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.



 

brightfame52

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When they believed

Romans 5:10 (ESV)
10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

Romans 5:1-2 (ESV)
1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.



False.
 
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TomFL

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No it's true before that

Ephesians 2:3 (KJV)
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Ephesians 2:12 (ESV)
12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

that is not reconciliation
 

brightfame52

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No it's true before that

Ephesians 2:3 (KJV)
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Ephesians 2:12 (ESV)
12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

that is not reconciliation
False
 
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