The Atonement

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TomFL

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so in your mind this describes reconciliation

Ephesians 2:3 (KJV)
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Ephesians 2:12 (ESV)
12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
 

brightfame52

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so in your mind this describes reconciliation

Ephesians 2:3 (KJV)
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Ephesians 2:12 (ESV)
12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
False Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

What condition are they in when reconciled to God according to Rom 5:10 ?
 

Reformedguy

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So you agree God sent Christ to die for all to show his love for all mankind
Great good to know


LOL, ya that some love. He could save all despite themselves but does not. He sends His Son to make provision for something He knows is never going to happen. How does He know its not going to happen? Because His creation functions just as He designed it. Some love
 
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TomFL

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False Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

What condition are they in when reconciled to God according to Rom 5:10 ?
again does this sound like reconciliation to you

so in your mind this describes reconciliation

Ephesians 2:3 (KJV)
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Ephesians 2:12 (ESV)
12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
 
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TomFL

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LOL, ya that some love. He could save all despite themselves but does not. He sends His Son to make provision for something He knows is never going to happen. How does He know its not going to happen? Because His creation functions just as He designed it. Some love
Don't run

you agreed

So you agree God sent Christ to die for all to show his love for all mankind
Great good to know
 

brightfame52

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again does this sound like reconciliation to you

so in your mind this describes reconciliation

Ephesians 2:3 (KJV)
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Ephesians 2:12 (ESV)
12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

What condition are they in when reconciled to God according to Rom 5:10 ?
 

zerinus

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LOL, ya that some love. He could save all despite themselves but does not. He sends His Son to make provision for something He knows is never going to happen. How does He know its not going to happen? Because His creation functions just as He designed it. Some love
You are determined to read predestination and predetermination of everything into God’s creation no matter what. That is because that is the only way that you can rescue your heretical theology. The bad news is that it is not biblical. The Bible teaches that God has made man free to choose for himself whether to do good or do evil, whether to follow God or follow the devil, and thus to determine for himself what his end will be: “they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation” (John 5:29). You can knock your head against the wall until all your brain falls out, but it won’t alter the fact that that is what the Bible teaches.
 
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TomFL

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Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

What condition are they in when reconciled to God according to Rom 5:10 ?
they were believers when actually reconciled
 

brightfame52

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Once again you failed to address the question

Do children of wrath sound like the reconciled to you ?
They were enemies when reconciled according to scripture Rom 5:10 That address it. You dont go by what it sounds like, the reality is that while they are in that condition, they nevertheless have been [past tense] reconciled to God.

But since you bring those verses up, they show us that man by nature has no hope of salvation, hence eleimnating the false doctrine of freewill or the lost man can believe on Christ. Read it Eph 2:12

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
 
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TomFL

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They were enemies when reconciled according to scripture Rom 5:10 That address it. You dont go by what it sounds like, the reality is that while they are in that condition, they nevertheless have been [past tense] reconciled to God.

But since you bring those verses up, they show us that man by nature has no hope of salvation, hence eleimnating the false doctrine of freewill or the lost man can believe on Christ. Read it Eph 2:12

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But what you ignore however with Christ sacrifice and the grace of the gospel

Ephesians 1:13 (ASV)
13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,-- in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

resulting in

Ephesians 2:13-22 (ASV)
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are made nigh in the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition,
15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace;
16 and might reconcile them both in one body unto God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 and he came and preached peace to you that were far off, and peace to them that were nigh:
18 for through him we both have our access in one Spirit unto the Father.
19 So then ye are no more strangers and sojourners, but ye are fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
20 being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone;
21 in whom each several building, fitly framed together, groweth into a holy temple in the Lord;
22 in whom ye also are builded together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.
 

brightfame52

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But what you ignore however with Christ sacrifice and the grace of the gospel

Ephesians 1:13 (ASV)
13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,-- in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

resulting in

Ephesians 2:13-22 (ASV)
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are made nigh in the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition,
15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace;
16 and might reconcile them both in one body unto God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 and he came and preached peace to you that were far off, and peace to them that were nigh:
18 for through him we both have our access in one Spirit unto the Father.
19 So then ye are no more strangers and sojourners, but ye are fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
20 being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone;
21 in whom each several building, fitly framed together, groweth into a holy temple in the Lord;
22 in whom ye also are builded together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.
They were enemies when reconciled according to scripture Rom 5:10 That address it. You dont go by what it sounds like, the reality is that while they are in that condition, they nevertheless have been [past tense] reconciled to God.
 
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TomFL

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They were enemies when reconciled according to scripture Rom 5:10 That address it. You dont go by what it sounds like, the reality is that while they are in that condition, they nevertheless have been [past tense] reconciled to God.
And they remain enemies until they believe

Those who do not believe make God a liar and can hardly be called reconciled

A couple of your Calvinist peers already pointed out your heresy
 

brightfame52

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And they remain enemies until they believe

Those who do not believe make God a liar and can hardly be called reconciled

A couple of your Calvinist peers already pointed out your heresy
They were enemies when reconciled according to scripture Rom 5:10 That address it. You dont go by what it sounds like, the reality is that while they are in that condition, they nevertheless have been [past tense] reconciled to God.
 
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TomFL

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They were enemies when reconciled according to scripture Rom 5:10 That address it. You dont go by what it sounds like, the reality is that while they are in that condition, they nevertheless have been [past tense] reconciled to God.
You ignored the point until one believe one is still an enemy

One who remains an enemy is not reconciled
 
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