The Bible can it be trusted?

[balshan]

Then where did you get your canon? Who told you these 66 books, and not other books, are canon?

And who told you God wanted a canon?

It was around before your institution and it will continue to stay around without your institution. Your institution has shown through its actions it does not know scripture at all. We don't need the scriptures to be in a book (canon) for them to be scriptures. That is another false claim of your institution.,

Where has God said He wanted a canon? He wanted the scriptures, but He does not need them to be in a book for them to still be His inspired word.

 

[Our Lord's God]

It was around before your institution and it will continue to stay around without your institution. Your institution has shown through its actions it does not know scripture at all. We don't need the scriptures to be in a book (canon) for them to be scriptures. That is another false claim of your institution.,

When/where was it canonized?

Where has God said He wanted a canon? He wanted the scriptures, but He does not need them to be in a book for them to still be His inspired word.

 

[balshan]

When/where was it canonized?

There is no need for it to be canonized by your evil institution. I would never trust an institution that lies, because the father of lies is satan. I notice you avoided my questions.

Please try and answer them. I will repost them here:

Where has God said He wanted a canon? He wanted the scriptures, but He does not need them to be in a book for them to still be His inspired word.

 

[Our Lord's God]

There is no need for it to be canonized by your evil institution. I would never trust an institution that lies, because the father of lies is satan. I notice you avoided my questions.

Please try and answer them. I will repost them here:

Where has God said He wanted a canon? He wanted the scriptures, but He does not need them to be in a book for them to still be His inspired word.

How do you know what "them" is?

 

[balshan]

How do you know what "them" is?

How do you know what them is, as you institution is known for lying. By they way you still haven't answered one of my questions. I know you are unable to.

 

[Theo1689]

Yes, the Douay Rheims is an English translation based upon St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate. It is the translation used in English/Latin hand missals before Vatican II.

So the DR is an English translation of a Latin Translation (existing from how many generations of copies?!) of the Greek Scriptures.

I prefer English translations which are based directly from the Greek.

The Bible came from the Catholic Church, the Church did not come from the Bible.

Nope.
The Bible no more came from the Catholic Church, than the Hebrew Scriptures came from any "authority" of the Jews.

The Church existed for hundreds of years before the New Testament Canon was settled.

That's simply false. It may have been hundreds of years before they were FORMALLY defined, but the Apostolic Fathers and ECF's apparently knew what the Canon was. How else could they quote from it?

The Catholic Church is the sole arbiter of the meaning and interpretation of Sacred Scripture as the Council of Trent decreed; "No one, relying on his own skill, shall,–in matters of faith, and of morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, –wresting the sacred Scripture to his own senses, presume to interpret the said sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which holy mother Church,–whose it is to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy Scriptures,–hath held and doth hold."

Yeah, well I'm not sure why anyone would be interested in a council 1500 years after the fact. Apparently Jesus, Paul, and John believed that the individual reader COULD understand Scripture, since they called on them to read it for themselves.

 

[Our Lord's God]

That's simply false. It may have been hundreds of years before they were FORMALLY defined, but the Apostolic Fathers and ECF's apparently knew what the Canon was. How else could they quote from it?

ECF's quoted from books not in your canon and rejected books which are in your canon.

Now what?

Yeah, well I'm not sure why anyone would be interested in a council 1500 years after the fact. Apparently Jesus, Paul, and John believed that the individual reader COULD understand Scripture, since they called on them to read it for themselves.

 

[Theo1689]

ECF's quoted from books not in your canon

As Scripture?

and rejected books which are in your canon.

Now what?

Well, I guess now would be the time to present EVIDENCE for your claims.
You don't seem to have any.

You do realize, I hope, that those of us who hold to Sola Scriptura don't consider the ECF's to be infallible, right?

 

[Our Lord's God]

As Scripture?



Well, I guess now would be the time to present EVIDENCE for your claims.
You don't seem to have any.

You do realize, I hope, that those of us who hold to Sola Scriptura don't consider the ECF's to be infallible, right?

You should probably start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antilegomena

 

[Theo1689]

You should probably start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antilegomena

Okay, so there is nothing on that page quoting ANY ECF's quoting from books not in my canon, as "Scripture", or of them rejecting books in my canon.

Looks like you have ZERO evidence.
Thank you for wasting my time.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Okay, so there is nothing on that page quoting ANY ECF's quoting from books not in my canon, as "Scripture", or of them rejecting books in my canon.

Looks like you have ZERO evidence.
Thank you for wasting my time.

No just evidence from Eusebius that early church fathers didn't just happen to "know" which books are "canon."

 

[Theo1689]

No just evidence from Eusebius that early church fathers didn't just happen to "know" which books are "canon."

Eusebius wasn't an ECF.

If you want to be convincing, you need to:
1) IDENTIFY the ECF;
2) quote what they wrote;
3) give a citation where the quote can be found and checked for accuracy.

If you like, you can start here:

Early Church Fathers - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

ccel.org

 

[Our Lord's God]

Eusebius wasn't an ECF

Oh, what would an ECF be? Whoever you like?

If you want to be convincing, you need to:
1) IDENTIFY the ECF;
2) quote what they wrote;
3) give a citation where the quote can be found and checked for accuracy.

If you like, you can start here:

Early Church Fathers - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

ccel.org