The biblical flood: abortion of "convenience"

mikeT

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All the Roe v Wade talk has shown me one thing. When - as a supporter of abortion rights - I'm accused of killing kids for the sake of convenience, I turn around and ask why God isn't accused of the same thing. After all, both involve killing human life to solve a problem.

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BMS

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Good question and good point. However God judges so he will pronounce judgement. Nothing unrighteous can be in the presence of God. God doesn't pass judgement for the sake of convenience, and He is God.
 

Temujin

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Good question and good point. However God judges so he will pronounce judgement. Nothing unrighteous can be in the presence of God. God doesn't pass judgement for the sake of convenience, and He is God.
Sadly, judgement is passed by those who believe that they are acting on behalf of God.I am quite willing to wait for God to pass judgement. Just stop the believers from jumping the gun.
 

Yahchristian

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The biblical flood was for punishment not convenience...

Genesis 6:13... And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Just to verify if you see a difference, can you tell us...

Would there be a difference between a Ukrainian killing you to get your phone and them killing Putin for invading Ukraine?
 
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BMS

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Sadly, judgement is passed by those who believe that they are acting on behalf of God.I am quite willing to wait for God to pass judgement. Just stop the believers from jumping the gun.
No, God will pass judgement on all of us.
I trust in God and you trust in humans; sadly for you some human decisions seem not to be going you way at the moment
 

Yahchristian

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Would there be a difference between a Ukrainian killing you to get your phone and them killing Putin for invading Ukraine?
Of course. Why do you ask?

You claimed the biblical flood was just as bad as abortion.

But the biblical flood was for punishment whereas an abortion might be because a woman is having financial troubles.

Let me ask you...

Is there a difference between a woman ending the life of her child the moment before delivery to help herself financially, and ending her child’s life the moment after delivery (while the umbilical chord is still attached) to help herself financially?
 
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Temujin

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killing: the act of one that kills

When a doctor’s act kills a child a week before it would have been born, is that supposed to be wrong?
Yes. In my personal view, that is wrong. If the doctor kills the unborn baby 30 weeks before it would be born, in my personal view that is not wrong. The stupid polarisation of abortion views in the US have led to this all or nothing nonsense. The notion that the unborn child a day from birth is not a full human being is as ridiculous as the notion that a newly fertilised egg is a full human being. In the name of God, why are you people so incapable of compromise?
 

BMS

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Yes. In my personal view, that is wrong. If the doctor kills the unborn baby 30 weeks before it would be born, in my personal view that is not wrong. The stupid polarisation of abortion views in the US have led to this all or nothing nonsense. The notion that the unborn child a day from birth is not a full human being is as ridiculous as the notion that a newly fertilised egg is a full human being. In the name of God, why are you people so incapable of compromise?
In my personal view that is not a rational position. One could draw a distinction at any point in a human being's life for whatever reason.
 

Nedsk

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All the Roe v Wade talk has shown me one thing. When - as a supporter of abortion rights - I'm accused of killing kids for the sake of convenience, I turn around and ask why God isn't accused of the same thing. After all, both involve killing human life to solve a problem. When asked this, Christian conservatives stop responding.

Why is it that the killing of human life for the sake of convenience is Good when one being does it, yet Bad when another does the same?

The context doesn't actually matter, here. Take any story in the news (over the last century) about someone being killed by someone else; replace the killer with God. Christians will universally say - independent of the context - that the killing was justified if God is the actor. It doesn't matter if the killing is an abortion, a home-invasion, a fist fight in the street, a spouse who was cheated upon, etc.

Pro-choice supporters are accused of killing humans for the sake of convenience, with the implication being "killing for the sake of convenience" is bad. If it actually WAS bad, then God killing a planet full of people for the sake of convenience would be bad, too.
Lol you pitched this silliness in another forum with little success do you figured this would work huh?
 

Cisco Qid

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All the Roe v Wade talk has shown me one thing. When - as a supporter of abortion rights - I'm accused of killing kids for the sake of convenience, I turn around and ask why God isn't accused of the same thing. After all, both involve killing human life to solve a problem. When asked this, Christian conservatives stop responding.

Why is it that the killing of human life for the sake of convenience is Good when one being does it, yet Bad when another does the same?

The context doesn't actually matter, here. Take any story in the news (over the last century) about someone being killed by someone else; replace the killer with God. Christians will universally say - independent of the context - that the killing was justified if God is the actor. It doesn't matter if the killing is an abortion, a home-invasion, a fist fight in the street, a spouse who was cheated upon, etc.

Pro-choice supporters are accused of killing humans for the sake of convenience, with the implication being "killing for the sake of convenience" is bad. If it actually WAS bad, then God killing a planet full of people for the sake of convenience would be bad, too.
You are the pottery and not the potter. And that body you live in is not yours but is on loan.
 

shnarkle

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If it actually WAS bad, then God killing a planet full of people for the sake of convenience would be bad, too.
So, you don't have a problem with God killing off a whole planet full of people?

How about we actually look at this mythological tale to see what it says? First off, it points out that those who are going to be destroyed are "continually evil". Later on, we discover that they're engaging in some sort of hybridizing by mating one species with another; think bestiality. This isn't killing for convenience. This is killing off incarnations of evil. You're not even comparing apples with fruit anymore.
 
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Howie

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All the Roe v Wade talk has shown me one thing. When - as a supporter of abortion rights - I'm accused of killing kids for the sake of convenience, I turn around and ask why God isn't accused of the same thing. After all, both involve killing human life to solve a problem. When asked this, Christian conservatives stop responding.

Why is it that the killing of human life for the sake of convenience is Good when one being does it, yet Bad when another does the same?

The context doesn't actually matter, here. Take any story in the news (over the last century) about someone being killed by someone else; replace the killer with God. Christians will universally say - independent of the context - that the killing was justified if God is the actor. It doesn't matter if the killing is an abortion, a home-invasion, a fist fight in the street, a spouse who was cheated upon, etc.

Pro-choice supporters are accused of killing humans for the sake of convenience, with the implication being "killing for the sake of convenience" is bad. If it actually WAS bad, then God killing a planet full of people for the sake of convenience would be bad, too.
The killing is justified if the Creator of all things does it.
 

romishpopishorganist

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All the Roe v Wade talk has shown me one thing. When - as a supporter of abortion rights - I'm accused of killing kids for the sake of convenience, I turn around and ask why God isn't accused of the same thing. After all, both involve killing human life to solve a problem. When asked this, Christian conservatives stop responding.

Why is it that the killing of human life for the sake of convenience is Good when one being does it, yet Bad when another does the same?

Take any story in the news (over the last century) about someone being killed by someone else; replace the killer with God. Christians will universally say - independent of the context - that the killing was justified if God is the actor. It doesn't matter if the killing is an abortion, a home-invasion, a fist fight in the street, a spouse who was cheated upon, etc.

Pro-choice supporters are accused of killing humans for the sake of convenience, with the implication being "killing for the sake of convenience" is bad. If it actually WAS bad, then God killing a planet full of people for the sake of convenience would be bad, too.
What does any of this have to do with abortion, sir?

Even if you are right, namely, that God is a hypocrite or that God is a moral monster, so what? All you prove is that the Christian God is a moral monster and not worth believing in.

You haven't proven that abortion is morally justifiable.

Furthermore, what if the issues you raise about God do not exist? What if when you read the Old Testament you found a God who did NOT kill people or start wars? What if you found in the Old testament a clear commandment against abortion? Would you become pro-life in such a case? No, you wouldn't. In such a case, you would just dismiss pro-lifers as religious morons and claim "You know, like, separation of Church and state, man."

So again, what does any of what you have written have to do with abortion?
 
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