The Bodily Resurrection & Ascension of Jesus

Gary Mac

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Great passages that say Jesus is God and worshiped as God.
Where does Jesus say he was God and not Gods son? please quote Jesus in that, Ive never read it.

What I have read is the God of heaven came to Jesus by His Spirit and opens up who He is and all of His heaven to Jesus. Matt 3:16.

God opening up all of who He is and His heaven to Himself? Try and explain the one to me.
 

Johnnybgood

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Where does Jesus say he was God and not Gods son? please quote Jesus in that, Ive never read it.

What I have read is the God of heaven came to Jesus by His Spirit and opens up who He is and all of His heaven to Jesus. Matt 3:16.

God opening up all of who He is and His heaven to Himself? Try and explain the one to me.
In Matthew , Mark , Luke , John , Acts and Revelations
 

Chalcedon

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Please quote them where Jesus said he was God and not Gods son.
Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.

Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.

John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins. Yes, if you don't believe that I AM(YHWH), you will die in your sins."

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am.(YHWH)"

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28

Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Romans 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ who is God over all forever praised! Amen.

Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus

1 Timothy 3:16

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says,
"YOUR THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER

Hebrews 1:10
He also says,

"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of your hands.


2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours

2 Peter 1:11
for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.

1 John 5:20

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the GNT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds never refers to the Father in the GNT but always to Jesus.


Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty


Revelation 1:17
17And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:

We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that liveth, was dead, but is alive forevermore is Christ.

Revelation 22:12-13
12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.

Revelation 22:16,20
16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.


Conclusion
: So we can see that the One who comes/is coming in the NT always refers to Jesus the Son of Man and NEVER refers to the Father. Therefore we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last.. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man not the Father !!!!!!

hope this helps !!!
 

Gary Mac

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Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
That was God not Jesus LOL. Jesus didn't even know God or His heaven until God came to Him and opened up all of who He is in Jesus. See Matt 3:16. He did the same in Adam,, Moses, Abraham, 120, and in all today who will receive Him.
Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.
Yes God never has changed, same then as today. He always has been a Spirit. You are trying to change Him into a man LOL.
John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins. Yes, if you don't believe that I AM(YHWH), you will die in your sins."
Yes and all how has receive Him as Jesus did are like Him. I am that I am because of He who is in me. Same one from the beginning.
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am.(YHWH)"
Yes God always has been in man. Adam was the first to become as I Am, Gen 3:22. Moses Abraham, Jesus, in Matt 3:16, 120 all receive Him.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Always has been.
John 20:28
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
I said the same thing when I saw Him a sHe is. And when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well. 1 John 3.
Romans 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ who is God over all forever praised! Amen.
Yes Christ is Gods anointing, man anointed of God. Christ in me is Gods anointing in me, Jesus had the same anointing from God. See Matt 3:16 this is when he received Gods anointing.
Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus
Yes, God AND Jesus, Most cant see that AND between God AND Jesus His son.
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
But if one has from God that what Jesus had from Him, there is no mystery at all for God opens up all of who He is and His heaven in anyone who will receive Him as your own disposition. That is why I follow Jesus and not Paul.
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says,
"YOUR THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER
Thank God I am His son. He is speaking about me His son. You are supposed to be His son as well. But He doesnt speak to you as it says does He?
Hebrews 1:10
He also says,

"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of your hands.
Yes and Adam became like God to know this difference. Gen 3:22, He ate of Gods knowledge just as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. SO do we all who partakes of the same Spirit of God.
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours
Yes Jesus is savior only if you follow him to the One who does the saving. Gods salvation is Him manifest in you.
2 Peter 1:11
for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.
That is what I have been trying to tell you folk. The kingdom of God oddest come with observation, it is within you. Luke 17:20-21. Nope many believe Jesus in that though, they think Jesus was a god and wait for the god to return someday instead of receiving the One who is at your door knocking this day. But if you will let Him in He will come and sup with you and be in you just as He did in Jesus and these others we read of who received Him.
1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Yes let this same mind of God be in you who was in Christ Jesus. For God is a Spirit and man is the temple of Him, the One true God it speaks of.
These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the GNT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds never refers to the Father in the GNT but always to Jesus.


Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty
Yes, starting in Adam everyone who has received Gods anointing, Christ in you, has always been anointed of God. Christ in us is Gods glory.
Revelation 1:17
17And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:

We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that liveth, was dead, but is alive forevermore is Christ.
Yes from Adam to us today who has received Him was dead in spirit then made alive by His Spirit.
Revelation 22:12-13
12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.
Yes but sadly religious minds has made a man a god instead. Jesus didn't come along until a couple thousand years ago, God has been here sense Adam. He was the first to become like Goid, not Jesus. See Gen 3:22. But you won't believe Gen 3;22 that he was the first to become like God to know this difference will you.
Revelation 22:16,20
16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
And God will come to all just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16 who will drop the religious acts and become like Him as He demands of you.
Conclusion: So we can see that the One who comes/is coming in the NT always refers to Jesus the Son of Man and NEVER refers to the Father. Therefore we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last.. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man not the Father !!!!!!

hope this helps !!!
The One who does come is Spirit and man is the temple of Him. It is noting new, it is very old for Adam received 6000 years ago that what Jesus did in Matt 3:16, 120 did in an upper room, Moses did, and so do all today who receives from God the same as these did.

It helps me understand that the Spirit of God is not your god, your god is flesh, a man, an idol that you never will meet nor see for the kingdom fo God doesnt come with observation, it is within you that you do not believe pop Jesus in Luke 17:20-21 - the One you are missing this day at your door knocking who does come to all who will receive Him as your own mind and walk in it as He walks in it.

And you never quoted Jesus where he said he was God and not Gods son.
 

Chalcedon

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That was God not Jesus LOL. Jesus didn't even know God or His heaven until God came to Him and opened up all of who He is in Jesus. See Matt 3:16. He did the same in Adam,, Moses, Abraham, 120, and in all today who will receive Him.

Yes God never has changed, same then as today. He always has been a Spirit. You are trying to change Him into a man LOL.

Yes and all how has receive Him as Jesus did are like Him. I am that I am because of He who is in me. Same one from the beginning.

Yes God always has been in man. Adam was the first to become as I Am, Gen 3:22. Moses Abraham, Jesus, in Matt 3:16, 120 all receive Him.

Always has been.

I said the same thing when I saw Him a sHe is. And when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well. 1 John 3.

Yes Christ is Gods anointing, man anointed of God. Christ in me is Gods anointing in me, Jesus had the same anointing from God. See Matt 3:16 this is when he received Gods anointing.

Yes, God AND Jesus, Most cant see that AND between God AND Jesus His son.

But if one has from God that what Jesus had from Him, there is no mystery at all for God opens up all of who He is and His heaven in anyone who will receive Him as your own disposition. That is why I follow Jesus and not Paul.

Thank God I am His son. He is speaking about me His son. You are supposed to be His son as well. But He doesnt speak to you as it says does He?

Yes and Adam became like God to know this difference. Gen 3:22, He ate of Gods knowledge just as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. SO do we all who partakes of the same Spirit of God.

Yes Jesus is savior only if you follow him to the One who does the saving. Gods salvation is Him manifest in you.

That is what I have been trying to tell you folk. The kingdom of God oddest come with observation, it is within you. Luke 17:20-21. Nope many believe Jesus in that though, they think Jesus was a god and wait for the god to return someday instead of receiving the One who is at your door knocking this day. But if you will let Him in He will come and sup with you and be in you just as He did in Jesus and these others we read of who received Him.

Yes let this same mind of God be in you who was in Christ Jesus. For God is a Spirit and man is the temple of Him, the One true God it speaks of.

Yes, starting in Adam everyone who has received Gods anointing, Christ in you, has always been anointed of God. Christ in us is Gods glory.

Yes from Adam to us today who has received Him was dead in spirit then made alive by His Spirit.

Yes but sadly religious minds has made a man a god instead. Jesus didn't come along until a couple thousand years ago, God has been here sense Adam. He was the first to become like Goid, not Jesus. See Gen 3:22. But you won't believe Gen 3;22 that he was the first to become like God to know this difference will you.

And God will come to all just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16 who will drop the religious acts and become like Him as He demands of you.

The One who does come is Spirit and man is the temple of Him. It is noting new, it is very old for Adam received 6000 years ago that what Jesus did in Matt 3:16, 120 did in an upper room, Moses did, and so do all today who receives from God the same as these did.

It helps me understand that the Spirit of God is not your god, your god is flesh, a man, an idol that you never will meet nor see for the kingdom fo God doesnt come with observation, it is within you that you do not believe pop Jesus in Luke 17:20-21 - the One you are missing this day at your door knocking who does come to all who will receive Him as your own mind and walk in it as He walks in it.

And you never quoted Jesus where he said he was God and not Gods son.
Yes you just denied all the essential truths of Christianity.
 

Gary Mac

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Yes you just denied all the essential truths of Christianity.
I agree as the religious minds as yourself see the world sees Him in carnality. These as yourself cant be identified with God as Jesus was identified with Him and has made their own rules for their gods and refuse to follow Jesus to the same place in the Father he was in the Father.

That is exactly why your essential truths for Christianity is man made by people like yourself who hasn't a clue what it is to have from God that what Jesus received from Him in Matt 3:16 and make excuses why you cant follow Jesus to Him to have the Christ, Gods anointing, in yourself as Jesus did.

The same signs follow us who has received the same as Jesus did from God, we are perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect just as Jesus was, we walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did by having the same mind of Christ Jesus had by being anointed of God -- and that is just blaspheme for you isn't it?
 

Johnnybgood

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Without the bodily resurrection which was permanent one has no Savior and you are still dead in your sins according to the Apostle Paul. 1 Corinthians 15:17

Many deny Jesus was Resurrected and Ascended into heaven bodily( a human body with real flesh and bones) and are still dead in their sins even though they might claim to be a christian. That is an oxymoron.

Luke 24:37-43
37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. 38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" 42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43 and He took it and ate it before them.

John 20:24-25
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples were saying to him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe."

John 20:27-28
27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe." 28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

There is one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. (1Timothy 2:5) post ascension.

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.(Hebrews 13:5) Changeless, Immutable. Jesus was a man when He walked this earth, when He Ascended and when He will return again at His 2nd Coming.

1 Corinthians 15:1-8
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.

1 Corinthians 15:14-18
14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

2 Corinthians 5:1-10
For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. 2 We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. 3 For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies. 4 While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it's not that we want to die and get rid of these bodies that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life. 5 God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit.6 So we are always confident, even though we know that as long as we live in these bodies we are not at home with the Lord. 7 For we live by believing and not by seeing. 8 Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord. 9 So whether we are here in this body or away from this body, our goal is to please him.


In Heaven.... Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Look up the meaning of the word soma below, it always means a physical body in relation to anthropos(man).

His Body.....Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Matthew 27:52-53
52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Philippians 3:20-21
And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

1 Corinthians 15:44-45
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 that if Christ be not risen your faith is in vain and you are still dead in your sins- an unbeliever who is lost. Those who deny the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus such as the JW's who teach that Jesus is now a spirit based being fit into this camp. They deny the resurrection.

If we look at what Paul is saying in this passage, it is that corruptible flesh and blood shall not enter the kingdom. Paul says corruptible does not inherit the incorruptible. Paul is not saying the resurrection body will not have flesh but what he declares is that the resurrected body will not have perishable flesh. Remember in Luke Jesus said see here My hands and feet, touch Me a spirit/ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have. Peter, Paul and John all agree that Jesus still had flesh well after His ascension. 1 John being the last of the books of the three Apostles declared that Jesus having come in the flesh and those who deny this are the spirit of antichrist. John makes it clear that the Incarnation was permanent. Jesus is forever both God and man. This is what Paul teaches in the whole 15th chapter of 1 Corinthians. The glorious physical bodies that we will have in the resurrection. We will have incorruptible bodies just as Jesus now has in heaven.

hope this helps !!!
Yes indeed that you for the truth !
 

Johnnybgood

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1 Corinthians 15:38-41
But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

A summary of the bodies mentioned above are all PHYSICAL in nature

1- people
2- seed
3-animals
4-birds
5-fish
6- heavenly - the sun, moon and stars
7- earthly- all inclusive 1-5

So as we can see BODY above are all PHYSICAL in nature.

These Greek Lexicons agree that soma is physical just like Paul declares in 1 Corinthians 15

Every Greek Lexicon and Dictionary agrees that the Resurrected BODY(SOMA) is physical and not immaterial.

Strong's Concordance
sóma: a body
Original Word: σῶμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sóma
Phonetic Spelling: (so'-mah)
Definition: a body
Usage: body, flesh;
HELPS Word-studies
4983 sṓmathe physical body.

NT:4983) is "the body as a whole, the instrument of life," whether of man living, e. g., Matt 6:22, or dead, Matt 27:52; or in resurrection, 1 Corinthians 15:44; or of beasts, Heb 13:11; of grain, 1 Cor 15:37-38; of the heavenly hosts, 1 Cor 15:40.

(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

More proof soma is physical

as in Greek writings from Hesiod down, the living body: — of animals, James 3:3; — of man: τό σῶμα, absolutely, Luke 11:34; Luke 12:23; 1 Corinthians 6:13, etc.; ἐν σώματι εἶναι, of earthly life with its troubles, Hebrews 13:3; distinguished from τό αἷμα, 1 Corinthians 11:27; τό σῶμα and τά μέλη of it, 1 Corinthians 12:12, 14-20; James 3:6; τό σῶμα the temple of τό ἅγιον πνεῦμα, 1 Corinthians 6:19; the instrument of the soul, τά διά τοῦ σωματου namely, πραχθεντα, 2 Corinthians 5:10; it is distinguished — from τό πνεῦμα, in Romans 8:10; 1 Corinthians 5:3; 1 Corinthians 6:20 Rec.; ; James 2:26 (4 Macc. 11:11); — from ἡ ψυχή, in Matthew 6:25; Matthew 10:28; Luke 12:22 (Wis. 1:4 Wis. 8:19f; 2 Macc. 7:37 2Macc. 14:38; 4 Macc. 1:28, etc.); — from ἡ ψυχή and τό πνεῦμα together, in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 (cf. Song of the Three, 63); σῶμα ψυχικόν and σῶμα πνευματικόν are distinguished, 1 Corinthians 15:44 (see πνευματικός, 1 and ψυχικός, a.); τό σῶμα τίνος, Matthew 5:29; Luke 11:34; Romans 4:19; Romans 8:23 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 187 (176)), etc.; ὁ ναός τοῦ σωματου αὐτοῦ, the temple which was his body, John 2:21; plural, Romans 1:24; 1 Corinthians 6:15; Ephesians 5:28; the genitive of the possessor is omitted where it is easily learned from the context, as 1 Corinthians 5:3; 2 Corinthians 4:10; 2 Corinthians 5:8; Hebrews 10:22(23), etc.; τό σῶμα τῆς ταπεινώσεως ἡμῶν, the body of our humiliation (subjective genitive), i. e. which we wear in this servile and lowly human life, opposed to τό σῶμα τῆς δόξης αὐτοῦ (i. e. τοῦ Χριστοῦ), the body which Christ has in his glorified state with God in heaven, Philippians 3:21; διά τοῦ σωματου τοῦ Χριστοῦ, through the death of Christ's body, Romans 7:4; διά τῆς προσφοράς τοῦ σωματου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, through the sacrificial offering of the body of Jesus Christ, Hebrews 10:10; τό σῶμα τῆς σαρκός, the body consisting of flesh, i. e. the physical body

Thayers Greek Lexicon
Wow this is excellent thank you 🙏
 

Johnnybgood

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Jesus is forever God in the flesh ( Incarnate)

Colossians 2:9
King James Bible
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

Now read the Greek below on the present ongoing meaning of DWELLS . The bodily dwelling of Deity is permanent not temporary. The Incarnation was PERMANENT.

κατοικεῖ (katoikei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 2730: To dwell in, settle in, be established in (permanently), inhabit. From kata and oikeo; to house permanently, i.e. Reside.


8.2 σωματικός, ή, όν; σωματικῶςa: (derivatives of σῶμαa ‘body,’ 8.1) pertaining to a physical body—‘bodily, physical, bodily form.’[1] Louw Nida

Expositor's Greek Testament
Colossians 2:9. in Him and in Him alone.—κατοικεῖ: “permanently dwells”. The reference is to the Exalted State, not only on account of the present, but of the context and Paul’s Christology generally.—πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος: “all the fulness of the Godhead”. πᾶν is emphatic, the whole fulness dwells in Christ.

Body
sōmatikṓs (an adverb, derived from 4984 /sōmatikós which is an adjective derived from 4983 /sṓma, "body") – bodily(used only in Col 2:9)Loew & Nida Greek Lexicon

Never once in the NT is soma ever used of something nonphysical or immaterial .

Paul is talking in Colossians chapters 2-3 about the glorified resurrected Christ now seated at the right hand of God not the earthly Christ pre resurrection. This is a slam dunk that He is in a human glorified resurrection body and that He continues to have all the fullness of Deity dwelling bodily in the present.

Bodily (σωματικῶς) In bodily fashion or bodily-wise. The verse contains two distinct assertions: 1. That the fullness of the Godhead eternally dwells in Christ. The present tense κατοικεῖ dwelleth, is used like ἐστιν is (the image), Colossians 1:15, to denote an eternal and essential characteristic of Christ's being. The indwelling of the divine fullness in Him is characteristic of Him as Christ, from all ages and to all ages. Hence the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him before His incarnation, when He was "in the form of God" (Philippians 2:6). The Word in the beginning, was with God and was God (John 1:1). It dwelt in Him during His incarnation. It was the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth, and His glory which was beheld was the glory as of the Only begotten of the Father (John 1:14; compare 1 John 1:1-3). The fullness of the Godhead dwells in His glorified humanity in heaven.

2. The fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him in a bodily way, clothed the body. This means that it dwells in Him as one having a human body. This could not be true of His preincarnate state, when He was "in the form of God," for the human body was taken on by Him in the fullness of time, when "He became in the likeness of men" (Philippians 2:7), when the Word became flesh. The fullness of the Godhead dwelt in His person from His birth to His ascension. He carried His human body with Him into heaven, and in His glorified body now and ever dwells the fullness of the Godhead. Vincent Greek Word Studies


(2:9) Commenting on the contents of this verse, Lightfoot says; “The apostle justifies the foregoing charge that the doctrine was not according to Christ: ‘In Christ dwells the whole plērōma (πληρωμα) (fulness, plenitude), the entire fulness of the Godhead, whereas they represent it to you as dispersed among several spiritual agencies. Christ is the fountain-head of all spiritual life, whereas they teach you to seek it in communion with inferior creatures.’ ”

“Dwelleth” is katoikei (κατοικει). Oikeō (Ὀικεω) means “to be at home.” Kata (Κατα), prefixed, means “down,” thus showing permanence. The compound verb was used of the permanent residents of a town as compared with the transient community. The verb is in the present tense, showing durative action. The translation reads: “Because in Him there is continuously and permanently at home all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily fashion.”

Bodily (σωματικῶς). In bodily fashion or bodily-wise. The verse contains two distinct assertions: 1. That the fulness of the Godhead eternally dwells in Christ. The present tense κατοικεῖ dwelleth, is used like ἐστιν is (the image), ch. 1:15, to denote an eternal and essential characteristic of Christ’s being. The indwelling of the divine fulness in Him is characteristic of Him as Christ, from all ages and to all ages. Hence the fulness of the Godhead dwelt in Him before His incarnation, when He was “in the form of God” (Philip. 2:6). The Word in the beginning was with God and was God (John 1:1). It dwelt in Him during His incarnation. It was the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth, and His glory which was beheld was the glory as of the Only-begotten of the Father (John 1:14; compare 1 John 1:1–3). The fulness of the Godhead dwells in His glorified humanity in heaven.

2. The fulness of the Godhead dwells in Him in a bodily way, clothed with a body. This means that it dwells in Him as one having a human body. This could not be true of His preincarnate state, when He was “in the form of God,” for the human body was taken on by Him in the fulness of time, when “He became in the likeness of men” (Philip. 2:7), when the Word became flesh. The fulness of the Godhead dwelt in His person from His birth to His ascension. He carried His human body with Him into heaven, and in His glorified body now and ever dwells the fulness of the Godhead[1] Word Studies in the Greek New Testament

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Gary Mac

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Yes that is blasphemy.
I know, and many accuse John of blaspheme when he wrote God came to Jesus and spend up all of His heaven to that man.

You can read what John wrote in Matt 3:16 and as you say is blaspheme for you just as you said it is isn't it?
 

Chalcedon

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I know, and many accuse John of blaspheme when he wrote God came to Jesus and spend up all of His heaven to that man.

You can read what John wrote in Matt 3:16 and as you say is blaspheme for you just as you said it is isn't it?
Denying God is God is blasphemy.
 

Gary Mac

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Denying God is God is blasphemy.
Actually denying the law is blaspheme. Jesus was a blasphemer because he denied their laws that govern their beliefs for a god.

He wasn't a blasphemer because he denied the father at all, he obeyed the Father. But the laws of that temple he once taught the laws in even at a young age are the exact same laws that had him crucified for blaspheme AFTER Matt 3:16 when God revealed to Jesus who He really is an open up all of His heaven to Jesus that was not of the laws he once taught in the temples. Jesus referred to this enlightenment a renewing of the mind, as born again. He had experience in this. SO do I.

It is the laws of these temples even today, denominations, as yourself who says that when God came to Jesus and opend up all of who He is and His heaven to that man that John was speaking blaspheme.
 
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Chalcedon

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Where does Jesus say he was God and not Gods son? please quote Jesus in that, Ive never read it.

What I have read is the God of heaven came to Jesus by His Spirit and opens up who He is and all of His heaven to Jesus. Matt 3:16.

God opening up all of who He is and His heaven to Himself? Try and explain the one to me.
In Revelation the All Mighty God.

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Gary Mac

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In Revelation the All Mighty God.

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Quote where Jesus said I am God and not Gods son and did not obey the One of heaven, and did not receieve the One of heaven where God didnt come to Jesus and opened up who He is and all of His heaven to that man?

Personally I dont think that you can discredit Matt 3:16 with your religion. You may think that you can but I know better for the same God who came to Jesus came to me and us all who has received Him as Jesus did. He is supposed to come to you as well. Jesus referred to this enlightenment as born again, he had experience in this didnt he? Oh no wait, I forgot that you do not believe Matt 3:16. Right?

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Chalcedon

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Quote where Jesus said I am God and not Gods son and did not obey the One of heaven, and did not receieve the One of heaven where God didnt come to Jesus and opened up who He is and all of His heaven to that man?

Personally I dont think that you can discredit Matt 3:16 with your religion. You may think that you can but I know better for the same God who came to Jesus came to me and us all who has received Him as Jesus did. He is supposed to come to you as well. Jesus referred to this enlightenment as born again, he had experience in this didnt he? Oh no wait, I forgot that you do not believe Matt 3:16. Right?

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Gary Mac

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See here

There is nowhere in the Bible where Jesus said he was God and not Gods, son, nowhere.

The reason you worship Jesus as a god is you dont know the One who sent Jesus to teach you who God is and to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect to walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did.

Answer these question if you can. But you know and I know that you cant because you worship an idol, a different God from the One Jesus worshiped, prayed to, and called Father instead.

Who did Jesus pray to for you to be one in the Father as he was one in Him in John 17. He didnt pray to himself LOL. Knowing God myself that is funny to think such a thing LOL.

Who was it Jesus said I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me? Obviously you dont know who that is Jesus spoke of.

Who was it who came to Jesus in Matt 3:16 and opened up who He is and all of His heaven to Jesus? You dont know obviously! Your god is a man instead

Who was Jesus said that in that day ye shall ask me noting but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you? Obviously you have not come to that day of realization.

Who do you think Jesus was speaking of when he said the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation it is within you. Who do you think it is that can be in you? You dont know obviously!

Who do you think Jesus prayed to as in Father forgive them they know not what they do? Obviously you do not know who that Father is.

Who was it Jesus took his disciples up on the mountain to pray to? Obviously you dont know who it was Jesus took them up to pray to. And when he was there with them he made this profound statement -- he told them to watch WITH him not for him.

Who was it Jesus told Thomas that Spirit doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me? Obviously you dont know that God is a Spirit and not flesh, not a man, not of this world, but His kingdom is within you. See Luke 17:20-21. Or is supposed to have the same Spirit be in you who was in Christ Jesus.

Who might you think that Jesus obeyed? Obviously you do not know the One Jesus obeyed and called father.

Bottom line is -- the reason you worship a man as a god is you dont have a clue who the God is Jesus spoke of many times. You would have to be a child of God, born of God, to know who the one Jesus was born of and called his Father that Jesus obeyed worshiped and called Father.

But I know Him, He manifested Himself in me just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16, Just as He did in Adam in Gen 3:22, just as He did in Abraham, Moses, 120 in an upper room, and just as He does in us all today no different from any of these at all.

You have changed His order that He may obey your orders is all.

He will come to you just as He did Jesus, and do you know how I know? He came to me and manifested Himself the very same He did in Jesus an d these others mentioned, and us all this day who has received Him as Jesus did.

Whatever creed you are following has you totally separated from God to have from Him that what Jesus had from Him.

Do the same signs follow you as Jesus said they would if you had received from the Father as followed him in the Father?

In your current belief system you never will meet the One true God nor the Christ nor Gods son and sent to show you the way to Him in which you so oppose Jesus to do so yourself that you may know Him as Jesus know Him.

Your goal should be to meet the Father as Jesus met Him but that isn't going to happen will it and do you know why? Because you worship a different God from the One Jesus did. and obeyed and call Father, the same Father I have.

Jesus never created anything and never said he did, what he did say was he could do noting without the Father Who sent him.

You just do not believe Jesus -- you creed to the one you follow instead of.

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Chalcedon

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There is nowhere in the Bible where Jesus said he was God and not Gods, son, nowhere.

The reason you worship Jesus as a god is you dont know the One who sent Jesus to teach you who God is and to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect to walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did.

Answer these question if you can. But you know and I know that you cant because you worship an idol, a different God from the One Jesus worshiped, prayed to, and called Father instead.

Who did Jesus pray to for you to be one in the Father as he was one in Him in John 17. He didnt pray to himself LOL. Knowing God myself that is funny to think such a thing LOL.

Who was it Jesus said I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me? Obviously you dont know who that is Jesus spoke of.

Who was it who came to Jesus in Matt 3:16 and opened up who He is and all of His heaven to Jesus? You dont know obviously! Your god is a man instead

Who was Jesus said that in that day ye shall ask me noting but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you? Obviously you have not come to that day of realization.

Who do you think Jesus was speaking of when he said the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation it is within you. Who do you think it is that can be in you? You dont know obviously!

Who do you think Jesus prayed to as in Father forgive them they know not what they do? Obviously you do not know who that Father is.

Who was it Jesus took his disciples up on the mountain to pray to? Obviously you dont know who it was Jesus took them up to pray to. And when he was there with them he made this profound statement -- he told them to watch WITH him not for him.

Who was it Jesus told Thomas that Spirit doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me? Obviously you dont know that God is a Spirit and not flesh, not a man, not of this world, but His kingdom is within you. See Luke 17:20-21. Or is supposed to have the same Spirit be in you who was in Christ Jesus.

Who might you think that Jesus obeyed? Obviously you do not know the One Jesus obeyed and called father.

Bottom line is -- the reason you worship a man as a god is you dont have a clue who the God is Jesus spoke of many times. You would have to be a child of God, born of God, to know who the one Jesus was born of and called his Father that Jesus obeyed worshiped and called Father.

But I know Him, He manifested Himself in me just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16, Just as He did in Adam in Gen 3:22, just as He did in Abraham, Moses, 120 in an upper room, and just as He does in us all today no different from any of these at all.

You have changed His order that He may obey your orders is all.

He will come to you just as He did Jesus, and do you know how I know? He came to me and manifested Himself the very same He did in Jesus an d these others mentioned, and us all this day who has received Him as Jesus did.

Whatever creed you are following has you totally separated from God to have from Him that what Jesus had from Him.

Do the same signs follow you as Jesus said they would if you had received from the Father as followed him in the Father?

In your current belief system you never will meet the One true God nor the Christ nor Gods son and sent to show you the way to Him in which you so oppose Jesus to do so yourself that you may know Him as Jesus know Him.

Your goal should be to meet the Father as Jesus met Him but that isn't going to happen will it and do you know why? Because you worship a different God from the One Jesus did. and obeyed and call Father, the same Father I have.

Jesus never created anything and never said he did, what he did say was he could do noting without the Father Who sent him.

You just do not believe Jesus -- you creed to the one you follow instead of.

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Sure He did read John 17:5
 
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