The Bodily Resurrection & Ascension of Jesus

Gary Mac

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Gary ? please go back and look at what you are writing and asking ?
eg; " God has always been the savior of man from himself. " ? excuse me but, what on earth are you saying ?
God saves man from mans own ways from self righteous and the laws man develops to govern a belief about their gods to be like Him in His righteousness, which simply is Love.
Yes and I have always said, ands say yet AGAIN, Yeshua is my Saviour and the Saviour of all mankind, BUT to those who refuse His Salvation then they remain lost.
Yes He is the savior of mankind and sent Jesus to show us the results of His salvation; God is a Spirit not a man. it is God who does the saving and either you are saved to be like him and walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did or you dont.
 

rossh

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God saves man from mans own ways from self righteous and the laws man develops to govern a belief about their gods to be like Him in His righteousness, which simply is Love.

I have no idea what YOU mean by this ? God sent HIS ONLY ONE FLESG AND BLOOD SON to die in our place as HE ALONE IS WITHPUT SIN!! This is not hard to understand but seems very difficult for you to believe ? Man sinned, NOT GOD, and soooooo ? Who pays for the price for that sinning ???????????? man does, all mankind! Where did the endless sacrifices of goats and sheep and bulls etc etc ever get mankind saved ?? Nowhere and that was/is the problem...
Yes He is the savior of mankind and sent Jesus to show us the results of His salvation; God is a Spirit not a man. it is God who does the saving and either you are saved to be like him and walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did or you dont.
Oh really ? the above, seriously ? NOW,, you are telling ME, exactly what I have been saying here for the past 50 years or so ?
Only one man came to be without any sin, He is Yeshua Gods one and only flesh and blood Son!!!! He is the pure and innocent Sacrifice for the sins of all mankind past, present and future!
 

rossh

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Love for God is Love. Or at least mine is, Jesus was of His Love as well. H ein me and I in Him are one so was Jesus. See Jesus in John 17 for us to be.
No thanks, I will wait to See Yeshua in reality, and, in real time. He alone is my Lord and My Saviour !!
 

Gary Mac

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No thanks, I will wait to See Yeshua in reality, and, in real time. He alone is my Lord and My Saviour !!
You will wait until you are in a grave and never see the One who is at your door this day knocking waiting for you to let Him in. the grave is not going to reveal Him, to late by then for the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation but is within you .. See Jesus in Luke 17:20-21. you just do not believe the One who is at your door this day is all.
 

Gary Mac

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I have no idea what YOU mean by this ?
Because spiritually He is discerned. Cant know Him at all without His SPirit be your own.
God sent HIS ONLY ONE FLESG AND BLOOD SON to die in our place as HE ALONE IS WITHPUT SIN!! This is not hard to understand but seems very difficult for you to believe ?
Not difficult at all, I am His son just as Jesus was His son. Jesus was my brother we have the same Father who is God. All who are His sons are begotten of our Father.

You are not His son are you?
Man sinned, NOT GOD, and soooooo ?
Exactly.
Who pays for the price for that sinning ???????????? man does, all mankind!
Yes and in that sin you are dead to Him. Are you a sinner or are you the righteousness of God in Christ who is without sin? Christ means to be anointed of God. Christ in you.
Where did the endless sacrifices of goats and sheep and bulls etc etc ever get mankind saved ?? Nowhere and that was/is the problem...
Agreed.
Oh really ? the above, seriously ? NOW,, you are telling ME, exactly what I have been saying here for the past 50 years or so ?
If you are not like Him and walk as He walks in His same light and prefect even as your Father in heaven is prefect then 50 years of religious beliefs in place of has been wasted.
Only one man came to be without any sin, He is Yeshua Gods one and only flesh and blood Son!!!! He is the pure and innocent Sacrifice for the sins of all mankind past, present and future!
Oh no' all who has from God that what He sent Jesus for to show us what it is to be born of God is without sin. Cannot sin because we are born of God. See 1 John 3:9.

The sacrifice is of yourself, you dying of everything you have been taught by man to believe in a god, and actually receiving from God the same as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 where He opens His heaven to you Himself that you become like Him instead of what some preacher tells you in opinions.

Christ is the way, not me, not you not Paul not any man. god Himself is sufficient to rely His message. Unfortunately people as yourself see differently from Him.
 

rossh

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You will wait until you are in a grave and never see the One who is at your door this day knocking waiting for you to let Him in. the grave is not going to reveal Him, to late by then for the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation but is within you .. See Jesus in Luke 17:20-21. you just do not believe the One who is at your doorthis day is all.
you do not have the right name even ? Yeshua is His Name...
Matt 1:
18 Here is how the birth of Yeshua the Messiah took place. When his mother Miryam was engaged to Yosef, before they were married, she was found to be pregnant from the Ruach HaKodesh. 19 Her husband-to-be, Yosef, was a man who did what was right; so he made plans to break the engagement quietly, rather than put her to public shame. 20 But while he was thinking about this, an angel of Adonai appeared to him in a dream and said, “Yosef, son of David, do not be afraid to take Miryam home with you as your wife; for what has been conceived in her is from the Ruach HaKodesh. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, [which means ‘Adonai saves,’] because he will save his people from their sins.”

22 All this happened in order to fulfill what Adonai had said through the prophet,

23 “The virgin will conceive and bear a son,
and
they will call him ‘Immanu El.”[a]
(The name means, “God is with us.”)

24 When Yosef awoke he did what the angel of Adonai had told him to do — he took Miryam home to be his wife, 25 but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Yeshua.

I have no idea what kind of cult you are involved with but leave me right out of it... Go your own way if that is what you you wish..

Luke has many verses and passages the use of only 2 is the greatest sing of satanic cult at work, I hope you are not of that kind at your place of worship ?
Luke 17:
15 One of them, as soon as he noticed that he had been healed, returned shouting praises to God,

16 and fell on his face at Yeshua's feet to thank him. Now he was from Shomron.

17 Yeshua said, "Weren't ten cleansed? Where are the other nine?

18 Was no one found coming back to give glory to God except this foreigner?"

19 And to the man from Shomron he said, "Get up, you may go; your trust has saved you."

20
The P'rushim asked Yeshua when the Kingdom of God would come. "The Kingdom of God," he answered, "does not come with visible signs;

21 nor will people be able to say, `Look! Here it is!' or, `Over there!' Because, you see, the Kingdom of God is among you."

22 Then he said to his talmidim, "The time is coming when you will long to see even one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it.

23 People will say to you, `Look! Right here!' or, `See! Over there!' Don't run off, don't follow them,

24
because the Son of Man in his day will be like lightning that flashes and lights up the sky from one horizon to the other.

25 But first he must endure horrible suffering and be rejected by this generation.
 

rossh

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Because spiritually He is discerned. Cant know Him at all without His SPirit be your own.

Not difficult at all, I am His son just as Jesus was His son. Jesus was my brother we have the same Father who is God. All who are His sons are begotten of our Father.

You are not His son are you?

Exactly.

Yes and in that sin you are dead to Him. Are you a sinner or are you the righteousness of God in Christ who is without sin? Christ means to be anointed of God. Christ in you.

Agreed.

If you are not like Him and walk as He walks in His same light and prefect even as your Father in heaven is prefect then 50 years of religious beliefs in place of has been wasted.

Oh no' all who has from God that what He sent Jesus for to show us what it is to be born of God is without sin. Cannot sin because we are born of God. See 1 John 3:9.

The sacrifice is of yourself, you dying of everything you have been taught by man to believe in a god, and actually receiving from God the same as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 where He opens His heaven to you Himself that you become like Him instead of what some preacher tells you in opinions.

Christ is the way, not me, not you not Paul not any man. god Himself is sufficient to rely His message. Unfortunately people as yourself see differently from Him.
,, you just agreed that the sacrifices of goats, sheep and or bulls did not save mankind. How ever the shedding of blood of innocent animals was done to satisfy God demand for the payment of sin.
Gods only flesh and blood Son does not have the sin stain, that we have, ie; mankind, seeing as GOD Himself is His FATHER!!..
Yeshua died in our place on the Cross yet He was innocent of any sin even the sin inherited form Adam as WE are and have..

Gen 3:
19 You will eat bread by the sweat of your forehead till you return to the ground - for you were taken out of it: you are dust, and you will return to dust."

20 The man called his wife Havah [life], because she was the mother of all living.

21 ADONAI, God, made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.

22 ADONAI, God, said, "See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil. Now, to prevent his putting out his hand and taking also from the tree of life, eating, and living forever -"

23 therefore ADONAI, God, sent him out of the garden of 'Eden to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.

The very first blood sacrifice to cover sin and sinning but that does not last and it only covers sin of the recent/past. Yeshua's sacrifice is for all ages..
 

rossh

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Because spiritually He is discerned. Cant know Him at all without His SPirit be your own.

Not difficult at all, I am His son just as Jesus was His son. Jesus was my brother we have the same Father who is God. All who are His sons are begotten of our Father.

You are not His son are you?

Exactly.

Yes and in that sin you are dead to Him. Are you a sinner or are you the righteousness of God in Christ who is without sin? Christ means to be anointed of God. Christ in you.

Agreed.

If you are not like Him and walk as He walks in His same light and prefect even as your Father in heaven is prefect then 50 years of religious beliefs in place of has been wasted.

Oh no' all who has from God that what He sent Jesus for to show us what it is to be born of God is without sin. Cannot sin because we are born of God. See 1 John 3:9.

The sacrifice is of yourself, you dying of everything you have been taught by man to believe in a god, and actually receiving from God the same as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 where He opens His heaven to you Himself that you become like Him instead of what some preacher tells you in opinions.

Christ is the way, not me, not you not Paul not any man. god Himself is sufficient to rely His message. Unfortunately people as yourself see differently from Him.
Because spiritually He is discerned. Cant know Him at all without His Spirit be your own. ? .... Gary Mac, I, and millions of others already know Him, and we have all confessed Him alone to be OWN very own Lord and Saviour.. has to be US is this what your believe ? Now teach us HOW His Spirit is going to be our spirit ? If that is going to happen then He will have trillions of spirits ?

I do truly believe and confess that, Yeshua, is Gods one true flesh and blood Son, is MY >Lord and MY Saviour!!! and so, I am SAVED!!!
Romans 10 and thus He is discerned as Lord and as Saviour .. Discern simply means " perceived/recognized "..
 

rossh

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God saves man from mans own ways from self righteous and the laws man develops to govern a belief about their gods to be like Him in His righteousness, which simply is Love.

Yes He is the savior of mankind and sent Jesus to show us the results of His salvation; God is a Spirit not a man. it is God who does the saving and either you are saved to be like him and walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did or you dont.
You get it all wrong, that is how cults work, as Lucifer did they both preach the " nearly " truth..
Yes Gods only FLEASH and BLOOD SON was born of a woman like we all are. He, Yeshua, is a man who is without sin, unlike us! We are all born from Adam and as such have Adam's sinful Nature.. So add Gods witness to that.

Isa 46:
8 Remember this, and stand firm.
Keep it in mind, you rebels.
9 “Remember things that happened
at the beginning, long ago —
that I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 At the beginning I announce the end,
proclaim in advance things not yet done;
and I say that my plan will hold,
I will do everything I please to do.
11 I call a bird of prey from the east,
the man I intended, from a distant country.
I have spoken and will bring it about;
I have made a plan, and I will fulfill it.
12 Listen to me, you stubborn people,
so far from righteousness:
13 I am bringing my justice nearer,
it is not far away;
my salvation will not be delayed,
I will place my salvation in Tziyon
for Isra’el my glory.
... and you claim otherwise, seriously ???
 

rossh

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You will wait until you are in a grave and never see the One who is at your door this day knocking waiting for you to let Him in. the grave is not going to reveal Him, to late by then for the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation but is within you .. See Jesus in Luke 17:20-21. you just do not believe the One who is at your door this day is all.
You speak as Poet speaks, so why do YOU not OPEN YOUR door then, and be with The Lord, as per your own advice.. do it ?
How can God and HIs Kingdom be in us sinners until we we invite Him In,,, ??? OOOOO,, I get it now, you think that you are not born a sinner, as Yeshua Himself was not born with sin ... wow! Let me outa here.........
 

Gary Mac

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you do not have the right name even ? Yeshua is His Name...
Matt 1:
18 Here is how the birth of Yeshua the Messiah took place. When his mother Miryam was engaged to Yosef, before they were married, she was found to be pregnant from the Ruach HaKodesh. 19 Her husband-to-be, Yosef, was a man who did what was right; so he made plans to break the engagement quietly, rather than put her to public shame. 20 But while he was thinking about this, an angel of Adonai appeared to him in a dream and said, “Yosef, son of David, do not be afraid to take Miryam home with you as your wife; for what has been conceived in her is from the Ruach HaKodesh. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, [which means ‘Adonai saves,’] because he will save his people from their sins.”

22 All this happened in order to fulfill what Adonai had said through the prophet,

23 “The virgin will conceive and bear a son,
and
they will call him ‘Immanu El.”[a]
(The name means, “God is with us.”)

24 When Yosef awoke he did what the angel of Adonai had told him to do — he took Miryam home to be his wife, 25 but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Yeshua.

I have no idea what kind of cult you are involved with but leave me right out of it... Go your own way if that is what you you wish..

Luke has many verses and passages the use of only 2 is the greatest sing of satanic cult at work, I hope you are not of that kind at your place of worship ?
Luke 17:
15 One of them, as soon as he noticed that he had been healed, returned shouting praises to God,

16 and fell on his face at Yeshua's feet to thank him. Now he was from Shomron.

17 Yeshua said, "Weren't ten cleansed? Where are the other nine?

18 Was no one found coming back to give glory to God except this foreigner?"

19 And to the man from Shomron he said, "Get up, you may go; your trust has saved you."

20
The P'rushim asked Yeshua when the Kingdom of God would come. "The Kingdom of God," he answered, "does not come with visible signs;

21
nor will people be able to say, `Look! Here it is!' or, `Over there!' Because, you see, the Kingdom of God is among you."

22 Then he said to his talmidim, "The time is coming when you will long to see even one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it.

23 People will say to you, `Look! Right here!' or, `See! Over there!' Don't run off, don't follow them,

24
because the Son of Man in his day will be like lightning that flashes and lights up the sky from one horizon to the other.

25 But first he must endure horrible suffering and be rejected by this generation.
Yesuah is Gods salvation and Jesus came to lead you to Gods salvation which is God manifest in you just as He was manifest in Jesus. See Matt 3:16, this is when Jesus was introduced to God and His heaven and we who has received the same from God are like Him no different at all just as Jesus became like Him in Matt 3:16. He didnt come to save you he came that ye MIGHT be saved which is God manifest in you that you have His same mind as Jesus did.
 

Gary Mac

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You speak as Poet speaks, so why do YOU not OPEN YOUR door then, and be with The Lord, as per your own advice.. do it ?
I did, He in me and I in Him are one. John 17.
How can God and HIs Kingdom be in us sinners until we we invite Him In,,, ???
We cant.
OOOOO,, I get it now, you think that you are not born a sinner, as Yeshua Himself was not born with sin ... wow! Let me outa here.........
You dont get it. All men are born flesh, Jesus came in the flesh. he was made to be sin because of his flesh and identification with it just as all men are identified with flesh.

As far as Christ -- Christ is Gods anointing in man, man having the mind of God and walk in it as He walks in it. Christ is the disposition of the man who is anointed of God, Christ in you, or is supposed to be in you anointed of God by His SPirit be your own mind. Jesus was Christ because he was anointed of God.

Christ is not a person, Christ was not Jesus last name, Christ is the disposition of the person who is Gods anointed and either you are of Christ who always has been without sin starting in Adam who was the first to become like God to know this difference, Gen 3:22 until this day.

You havent met the Christ have you or you would understand who Christ is. And when you do see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well. 1 John 3. And we all who are born of God, born again of His SPirit, anointing, it is impossible to be in sin 1 John 3:9.

Your understanding is very elementary where you learned from mans teachings instead of God Himself teaching you through His anointing.

BTW, the same SPirit who came to Mary is the same Spirit who came to Jesus in Matt 3:16 and they both gave birth to the Christ within. So do we all give birth who are His bride.
 

rossh

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I did, He in me and I in Him are one. John 17.

We cant.

You dont get it. All men are born flesh, Jesus came in the flesh. he was made to be sin because of his flesh and identification with it just as all men are identified with flesh.

As far as Christ -- Christ is Gods anointing in man, man having the mind of God and walk in it as He walks in it. Christ is the disposition of the man who is anointed of God, Christ in you, or is supposed to be in you anointed of God by His SPirit be your own mind. Jesus was Christ because he was anointed of God.

Christ is not a person, Christ was not Jesus last name, Christ is the disposition of the person who is Gods anointed and either you are of Christ who always has been without sin starting in Adam who was the first to become like God to know this difference, Gen 3:22 until this day.

You havent met the Christ have you or you would understand who Christ is. And when you do see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well. 1 John 3. And we all who are born of God, born again of His SPirit, anointing, it is impossible to be in sin 1 John 3:9.

Your understanding is very elementary where you learned from mans teachings instead of God Himself teaching you through His anointing.

BTW, the same SPirit who came to Mary is the same Spirit who came to Jesus in Matt 3:16 and they both gave birth to the Christ within. So do we all give birth who are His bride.
well pal, I know exactly where I got the true learning from and it is from The Word of God, Gods Word alone.... Amen!
 

rossh

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Yesuah is Gods salvation and Jesus came to lead you to Gods salvation which is God manifest in you just as He was manifest in Jesus. See Matt 3:16, this is when Jesus was introduced to God and His heaven and we who has received the same from God are like Him no different at all just as Jesus became like Him in Matt 3:16. He didnt come to save you he came that ye MIGHT be saved which is God manifest in you that you have His same mind as Jesus did.
? Yeshua IS His Name Matt 1:18+ and His Name means " He Saves His People ".... He did not come to save you or me or any Gentile, He told us this Himself..... However, because of His true Faith He has save all mankind..
 

Gary Mac

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well pal, I know exactly where I got the true learning from and it is from The Word of God, Gods Word alone.... Amen!
I got mine from God Himself by His Spirit, so did Jesus. See Matt 3:16. it is He who opens all of His heaven in man not the bible that is law. Abraham, Moses, Jesus 120 all got their learning from God Himself.

If you are refering to His word as the bible then you only received second hand information someone wrote about Him. .
 
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Gary Mac

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? Yeshua IS His Name Matt 1:18+ and His Name means " He Saves His People ".... He did not come to save you or me or any Gentile, He told us this Himself..... However, because of His true Faith He has save all mankind..
My Gods name is Love, Holy Love, or Holy SPirit that Love is. He in me and I in Him are one.
 

rossh

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I got mine from God Himself by His Spirit, so did Jesus. See Matt 3:16. it is He who opens all of His heaven in man not the bible that is law. Abraham, Moses, Jesus 120 all got their learning from God Himself.

If you are refering to His word as the bible then you only received second hand information someone wrote about Him. .
well,, YOU are writing about Him here and now, in about a millionth hand, correct ? Also, they are writing and telling, the real Truth about The Messiah..
Matt 3:14 But Yochanan tried to stop him. “You are coming to me? I ought to be immersed by you!” 15 However, Yeshua answered him, “Let it be this way now, because we should do everything righteousness requires.” Then Yochanan let him. 16 As soon as Yeshua had been immersed, he came up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, he saw the Spirit of God coming down upon him like a dove, 17 and a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; I am well pleased with him.”
 

rossh

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Yesuah is Gods salvation and Jesus came to lead you to Gods salvation which is God manifest in you just as He was manifest in Jesus. See Matt 3:16, this is when Jesus was introduced to God and His heaven and we who has received the same from God are like Him no different at all just as Jesus became like Him in Matt 3:16. He didnt come to save you he came that ye MIGHT be saved which is God manifest in you that you have His same mind as Jesus did.
Yes, we have all agreed on the above. The issues is in the telling of Gods Word exactly as how Gods Word came to the prophets ..
1 Chro 17:
3 But that same night the word of God came to Natan:

4 "Go, and tell David my servant that this is what ADONAI says: 'You are not to build me a house to live in,

5 because from the day I brought up Isra'el until today, I never lived in a house; rather, I've gone from tent to tent and from one tabernacle to another.

6 Everywhere I traveled with all Isra'el, did I ever speak a word to any of the judges of Isra'el, whom I ordered to shepherd my people Isra'el, asking, "Why haven't you built me a cedar-wood house?"'

7 "Therefore say to my servant David that this is what ADONAI-Tzva'ot says: 'I took you from the sheep-yards, from following the sheep, to make you chief over my people Isra'el.

8 I have been with you wherever you went, I have destroyed all your enemies ahead of you; and I am making your reputation like the reputations of the greatest people on earth.

so, I am saying, that your " take " on the meaning is irrelevant as is mine... As when God states something, He means exactly what He States and nothing else..
 

rossh

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My Gods name is Love, Holy Love, or Holy SPirit that Love is. He in me and I in Him are one.
wow,, so you are also god ? Have I misunderstood your reply ?
I believe that God is so much God that HE does not need a name, names are for us mortals.. What do you think ?
Elohim, Abba , Yahweh, El Elyon, Elohim, El Roi,, El Shaddai,
and once again, please, what is your point in all of these names, and, you in god and god in your etc; ?
 

Gary Mac

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well,, YOU are writing about Him here and now, in about a millionth hand, correct ?
Yes' just as these did and what you read of me is second hand information. First hand is to hear from God yourself just as we have.
Also, they are writing and telling, the real Truth about The Messiah..
Real truth comes only by God Himself giving you His information. Jesus said that in that day ye shall ask him noting but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you.

May I ask why you are so against God Himself coming to you and opening p all of His heaven to you?
Matt 3:14 But Yochanan tried to stop him. “You are coming to me? I ought to be immersed by you!” 15 However, Yeshua answered him, “Let it be this way now, because we should do everything righteousness requires.” Then Yochanan let him. 16 As soon as Yeshua had been immersed, he came up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, he saw the Spirit of God coming down upon him like a dove, 17 and a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; I am well pleased with him.”
And He does the same in all who has received His SPirit as Jesus did, as Abraham did, As Moses did, even Adam did and became like Him, Gen 3:22. So did 120 in an upper room.

Again why are you so against God Himself coming to you and opening His kingdom in you as He did in these?
 
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