No Gary, It CLEARLY says AS IS that He ( Not you or Me or any other human ) is " the ONLY begotten God "! It does NO say your edit ( Born of God )! Thus AS IS, it CLEARLY refutes your say so that Jesus is just a man because He is the ONLY begotten God in the NAS that you use! Case closed!
Jesus was as all of us who has received from God His light just as Jesus did from Him in Matt 3:16. You just don’t walk in His same light as Jesus did to have His same mind Spirit, and Void of receiving from God that what he received from Him.
I’ll ask you again. Who told you that God didn’t send Jesus to show you the way? Whoever it is you are listening to the wrong ones.
I know that to have the mind of Christ, and to walk as He walks in it, and be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, have the same signs follow you, and be on in the Father as Jesus was one in Him, and when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him is unsupported to your religion. I really do understand that the things of Christ is unsupported for you.
He worships a man as a god instead of having the same One Jesus had as He demands of us all.
That is that I have been saying, it means to be born of. He is not born of and obviously your not either. For His way is blaspheme for you guys.
Everyone can have Gods Spirit that is what makes us like Him, that is what made Jesus like Him. see Matt 3:16, this is when Jesus became like Him and we are the very same no different from the same at all.
But to your religion, that isn't possible.
Oh he sure investigate his own words and compare them with who Jesus said you should be in the Father and walk as He walks.
It isn't up tp me to prove anything just as it wasn't up to Jesus to prove anything. All that Jesus could do and all that I can do is be that witness for what it is to be of God and have His same mind.
Prove to yourself. Do you walk as He walks?
Do you have His same mind and perfect even as He is perfect?
Have you seen Him as He is to be like Him, 1 John 3?
Are you a sinner or are you of Christ who is without sin, cannot sin because you are born of God, 1 John 3:9?
and that list goes on.
How can I misinterpret when He is in me and I in Him are one, John 17?
You have shown me you are not of the Father as Jesus was for sure.
Just did!
FYI again Gary, the NAS that you use calls the Son ( Jesus Christ ) " the ONLY begotten God "! Yes God the Father sent God the Word of of John 1:1 ( who was with Him ) to become " Flesh " ( God-Man ) as His Only begotten SON ( John 1:14+18 & 3:16+18 )! Thus since He ( Jesus Christ ) is the ONLY BEGOTTEN of God, then you ( Gary ) are NOT a begotten Son of God ( who is God like His Son Jesus is )! You can ONLY be an ADOPTED son and that is only if you accept the ONLY Begotten God/Son ( Jesus Christ ) as your Lord & Savior! Case 100% Closed on Gary's say so ( Man's word - 2 Peter 3:16 ) that the REAL Jesus is just a man and not God ( the former Word of John 1:1 ) also! All these AS IS posted scriptures ( GOD's inspired Word to us ) clearly rebukes that Twisted say so of yours ( man's word that Jesus is not also God ) as per 2 Tim.3:16!
Not one of us EVER said that God the Father did NOT send God the the former Word of John 1:1 to become FLESH as Jesus Christ in John 1:14, to show us the way! He ( the REAL Jesus Christ - God-Man as per John 1:1+14 & Heb.1:8 ) is the ONLY way to the Father as per His say so in John 14:6! Thus Gary's say so ( man's word that the REAL Jesus Christ is just a man and NOT God the former Word of John 1:1 also ) remains 100% rebuked as per 2 Tim.3:16!
Who would you say it was that called Jesus His son?
Who would you say it was Jesus called Father?
Who would you say it was that Jesus prayed to?
Who would you say it was who came to Jesus and opens up who He is to Jesus in Matt3:16?
Who would you say it was that Jesus said sent Him to show you His way?
You don’t know who that was that is very obvious.
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if God sent Jesus to show you His way to be as the one that He sent. What happened that you can’t follow His way and be that person of Christ yourself as God demands of you if you are to be His living word as John 1 states ? Your religion will not let you be His living word. You can’t relate to John 1 because you have a different religion from that what Jesus had in the Father God. His word is not become flesh and living in you. Your word is only on a page of paper that you are only guessing the meaning from lack in God Himself being you mind that you may walk as He walks in it. His way is impossible for you just as you state over and over it was for Jesus only.
Stay on track with what I said in my post Gary! I correctly said that the version of the Bible ( the NAS ) that you use says He " is the ONLY begotten God ", which CLEARLY refutes your say so that He is only a man like you & me! Now for your OFF Track questions, #1 God the Father called Jesus ( the God-Man ) His Son! #2 Jesus the God-Man called God the Father His Father! #3 Jesus the God-Man prayed to God His Father! #4 God the Holy Spirit ( as a Dove ) came to Jesus the God-Man at His baptism in Matt.3:16! #5 Jesus the God-Man was sent by His Father ( God the Father ) to show you the way! Yes I do Know who that was ( as I Correctly posted to your Off Track questions right here, Gary ) and it is CLEARLY very obvious that you do NOT know what you are talking about from my ON Track proof that the Bible you use calls Him the Only begotten God, which clearly refutes your say so that He is ONLY a man and not God the former WORD of John 1:1 also! Thus Gary still remains 100% rebuked by the AS IS scriptures that I post as per 2 Tim.3:16! Case closed Gary!
Amen stay on track. Who was it Jesus said sent him to show you His way? Cant answer that can you.
The readers can CLEARLY see that I did answer that in #5 in my scriptural response to your Off Track questions! Thus Gary clearly has a reading problem! So once again Gary, Jesus the God-Man was sent by His Father ( God the Father ) to show you the way, but you keep on going by your own say so ( Man's word ) that the Real Jesus Christ is just a man and NOT God the former Word of John 1:1, who BECAME Flesh in John 1:14 as Jesus the God-Man when God the Father sent Him! Case closed Gary! You remain 100% refuted by those scriptural Facts!
Jesus is not your way, Jesus is the way you have programed for him instead.
Wrong again Gary! It is clearly you that programed a Jesus that is NOT in those AS IS scriptures ( God's inspired say so ) because you CONTRADICT them with your say so ( man's word - 2 Peter 3:16 ) ) that Jesus is just a man and not God ( the Word of John 1:1 ) also! Case closed!
Same Spirit of God who came to Jesus and opened all of His heaven to him is the same one who comes to all who will receive Him.
The reason that you do not know God and worship a man as a god instead has not received from God that what Jesus did in Matt 3:16.
You cant relate to that what is foreign to your understanding.
And you still haven't answered -- What if God really did send Jesus to show you His way to be like Him?
Cant answer that can you for if you did it would convict you of sin wouldn't it?
I know this is against your religion but God sent Jesus that I may follow him to his Father Who is God. And I did. He really is teacher of the way to Him, you just do not believe Jesus that He did.
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For the sake of any visitors to this forum I'd like to give this thread a bump up. I believe it's a very important topic and would like to see some fresh discussion on it.
The death and resurrection of Christ is an illustration of the gospel message. Christ begins his ministry with "deny yourself" meaning one must deny the self itself. This is the root of humanity's problem.
When Adam entertains this idea that he would like to be just like God knowing good and evil, he has already separated himself conceptually from God. In his mind, he believes that he is somehow separate from God, and that God is now no longer able to see what is going on. He thinks he can hide from God because he no longer identifies with God. It's the first recorded case of identity politics, and God humors Adam by pointing out that when he does this, he will die because he no longer identifies with the life within him, but with the dirt that houses the breath of life.
Jesus points out that whatever you do to anyone, you do to him. These sundry ideas we all have of ourselves aren't real. Any halfway decent textbook on early childhood development will affirm this fact. Paul and Christ point out this fact repeatedly by saying things like "apart from me, you can do nothing", or "not me, but Christ in me" etc.
So when the women approach the tomb, and see Christ, messengers, or gardeners, these are all depicting the same thing from different perspectives. They are receiving the gospel message so one gospel writer complies with this fact by depicting angels (a word which literally means "messenger").
Another gospel writer simply presents Christ himself, but notes that these women cannot touch him, at least not literally because the reality is that though it is ultimately Christ, it is also just some gardeners who have stated some aspect of the gospel that jars their reality.
The two on their way to Emmaus likewise suddenly "see" Christ while they're sharing a meal with a complete stranger. Then when they're all locked up in a room, suddenly they all begin to see Christ "in the flesh" which is to say that they suddenly begin to see Christ in each other.
Physical bodies do not suddenly appear and disappear, but these revelations do, and the gospel writers are depicting this fact with these references. The fact that only they see the risen Christ is more than enough proof that the resurrection isn't depicting the revival of a corpse, but the existential reality of Christ alive in his newest creation; the children of God.
Actually he didn't know God or His ways at all until that knowledge was opened to him and he became like Him. Same thing happened in Abraham, Moses, and especially Jesus, he didn't know God or His heaven either until God came to that man by His Spirit and opens up all of who He is to that man. Matt 3:16.
No one can know God without that same Spirit who is the only One who can open ups His ways to you. He opens it up to 120 as well, and all today who has received Him that He is MANIFEST in you.
It is better for me to follow Jesus than it is to follow Paul in his own beliefs for a god. Paul was like most religious folk and makes his own ideas about God and Jesus.
God never changes. He is the same in Adam that he became like Him as Abraham, Moses Jesus 120 and all today who has received from Him to be born of God, born again, is like Him.
FYI Gary it is scripture ( God's inspired say so ) that is against your self Twisted ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) religion! You WRONGFULLY say that the Real Jesus Christ is just a man and not God also, when God's say so in John 1:1-18 & 8:58 and Hebrews 1:6+8 all shows us that He is both God and man and is Worshiped! Case closed!
I already Correctly answered that " what If " of yours several times now on record on CARM! And BTW it was God the Holy Spirit ( Not God the Father ) that came ( as a Dove ) to God the Son ( Jesus Christ ) at His Baptism! Case closed on Gary's Twisted view ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) that Jesus Christ is just a man and not God also ( who is Worshiped ) as John 1:1-18 & 8:58 and Heb.1:6+8 CLEARLY tells us so AS IS before Gary adds his Twist ( man's word ) to them!