The Book of Mormon and the Biblical NT compared

dberrie2020

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Bonnie said:
Pretty good, except for the BoMquotes. We do not need those. The Bible is 100% sufficient to know the true Gospel message and God's will.

What does one find in the Book of Mormon, as to salvational doctrines--which is not also found in the Biblical NT?
 

The Prophet

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What does one find in the Book of Mormon, as to salvational doctrines--which is not also found in the Biblical NT?
Why doesn’t the BOM mention most of LDS teachings?

Like baptism for the dead, celestial marriage, three degrees of glory, that God the Father was a man, plurality of gods, tempory hell, pre-existence of spirits, eternal progression, eternal intelligence, priesthood needed to act for god, plural marriage, polygamy, word of wisdom, secret handshakes etc.



God has a body of flesh and bones,

God is an exalted man,

God is a product of eternal progression,

There is a plurality of gods (polytheism),

Men may become gods,

The Trinity consists of three separate God,

There is no eternal hell and punishment,

“Intelligences” are eternal

The preexistence of humans as spirits,

Marriage for eternity Three degrees of glory,

A Mother in heaven,

A New Testament – era “Melchizidek Priesthood”,

with the offices and functions of elder,

high priest, seventy, patriarch, and apostle A New Testament

– era “Aaronic Priesthood” with the offices and functions of deacon, teacher, priest, and bishop

The functions and offices of evangelists, bishoprics, stake presidencies, apostles, a first presidency, and president of the Church Baptism for the dead and “second-chance salvation”
 

The Prophet

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Your opinions there are not the topic of this OP.

What does one find in the Book of Mormon, as to salvational doctrines--which is not also found in the Biblical NT?
Why even have the Book of Mormon if it teaches are identical to the Bible and their are 66 books in the Bible and 66 witnesses
 

Bonnie

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Your opinions there are not the topic of this OP.

What does one find in the Book of Mormon, as to salvational doctrines--which is not also found in the Biblical NT?
Why doesn't the BoM have the LDS teachings in it, that Prophet and others have listed on here? If it is the most correct book on earth? Why are none of the teachings unique to the LDS church that are necessary for exaltation found anywhere in the BoM?
 
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The Prophet

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Why doesn't the BoM have the LDS teachings in it, that Prophet and others have listed on here? If it is the most correct book on earth? Why are none of the teachings unique to the LDS church that are necessary for exaltation not found anywhere in the BoM?
Bonnie the LDS leaders disagree with you :)

Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book.
The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation
. Mormon Doctrine page 333

These teachings and doctrines are in accord with the statement of the Prophet Joseph Smith that the principles of the gospel are “according to the Holy Scriptures, and the Book of Mormon; and the only way that man can enter into the celestial kingdom.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 16.) The fulness of the gospel as contained in the Book of Mormon means that it contains those instructions a person needs to observe in order to be worthy to enter the presence of God in the celestial kingdom.

The Ensign 09/1985

Fulness of the Gospel,, by fullness of the gospel, is meant all the ordinances and principles that pertain to the exaltation in celestial kingdom…Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 160 Joseph Fielding Smith.


Sept 1976 Ensign I have a Question

COUNSEL GIVEN BY PRESIDENT CHARLES W. PENROSE

Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." Well, what is the fulness of the gospel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, Section 76, in the Doctrine and Covenants, and you find there defined what the gospel is. There God, the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his Son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three Persons in the Trinity—the one God, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principles, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason: If you really believe so as to have faith in our Eternal Father and in his Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, and will hear him, you will learn ail about what is needed to be done for the salvation of the living and redemption of the dead.

(General Conference Report, April 1922, pp. 27-28.)
 

Bonnie

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Bonnie the LDS leaders disagree with you :)

Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book.
The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation
. Mormon Doctrine page 333

These teachings and doctrines are in accord with the statement of the Prophet Joseph Smith that the principles of the gospel are “according to the Holy Scriptures, and the Book of Mormon; and the only way that man can enter into the celestial kingdom.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 16.) The fulness of the gospel as contained in the Book of Mormon means that it contains those instructions a person needs to observe in order to be worthy to enter the presence of God in the celestial kingdom.

The Ensign 09/1985

Fulness of the Gospel,, by fullness of the gospel, is meant all the ordinances and principles that pertain to the exaltation in celestial kingdom…Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 160 Joseph Fielding Smith.


Sept 1976 Ensign I have a Question

COUNSEL GIVEN BY PRESIDENT CHARLES W. PENROSE

Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." Well, what is the fulness of the gospel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, Section 76, in the Doctrine and Covenants, and you find there defined what the gospel is. There God, the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his Son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three Persons in the Trinity—the one God, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principles, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason: If you really believe so as to have faith in our Eternal Father and in his Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, and will hear him, you will learn all about what is needed to be done for the salvation of the living and redemption of the dead.

(General Conference Report, April 1922, pp. 27-28.)
They talk out of both sided of their collective mouths, don't they--to cover their heinies, when contradictions pop up. :) The things you listed are still nowhere to be found in the BoM. And Section 76 is not in the BoM.
 

zerinus

Member
Why doesn’t the BOM mention most of LDS teachings?

Like baptism for the dead, celestial marriage, three degrees of glory, that God the Father was a man, plurality of gods, tempory hell, pre-existence of spirits, eternal progression, eternal intelligence, priesthood needed to act for god, plural marriage, polygamy, word of wisdom, secret handshakes etc.


God has a body of flesh and bones,

God is an exalted man,

God is a product of eternal progression,

There is a plurality of gods (polytheism),

Men may become gods,

The Trinity consists of three separate God,

There is no eternal hell and punishment,

“Intelligences” are eternal

The preexistence of humans as spirits,

Marriage for eternity Three degrees of glory,

A Mother in heaven,

A New Testament – era “Melchizidek Priesthood”,

with the offices and functions of elder,

high priest, seventy, patriarch, and apostle A New Testament

– era “Aaronic Priesthood” with the offices and functions of deacon, teacher, priest, and bishop

The functions and offices of evangelists, bishoprics, stake presidencies, apostles, a first presidency, and president of the Church Baptism for the dead and “second-chance salvation”
Already answered here. Why do you ask questions which already been answered, while ignoring the answers given? Why do you ask questions if you are not interested in the answers, or don't want to hear any answers?
 
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Bonnie

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Already answered here. Why do you ask questions which already been answered, while ignoring the answers given? Why do you ask questions if you are not interested in the answers?
Ask your Mormon friend that ,when WE answer HIS questions all the time, but our answers nearly always ARE IGNORED.

I saw what was written but it was a waffle. Smith said that the BoM was the most correct book on earth and on could get closer to God by reading it than by any other book (may be paraphrased). But since NONE of the doctrines unique to Mormonism--especially the most important ones pertaining to the temple works and the three degrees of glory and exaltation to godhood and becoming creators of worlds--is even hinted at in the BoM, then how can that be? How are these NOT the CORE DOCTRINES of your church, when they are arguably the most important ones? Else, why build expensive temples all over the world in which to perform the Mormon temple rights and covenants, so one can be "exalted to godhood" after death--if these whole temple things and works are NOT "core doctrines" but mere "appendages"??? When a few of your leaders have even said that anything less than exaltation is damnation? When little children in your primary classes are indoctrinated from an early age to sing such songs as "I Want to Go to the Temple"...?

Maybe Mormons can swallow that, but I cannot and will not!
 
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zerinus

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Why even have the Book of Mormon if it teaches are identical to the Bible and their are 66 books in the Bible and 66 witnesses
The Book of Mormon does more than that.
  1. It does contain information not found in the Bible.
  2. It clarifies many doctrines on which the Bible lacks clarity.
  3. It confirms that God a living, unchanging God, who does continue to speak to use today, as he did in ancient times.
  4. It is also an additional witnesses to the truth of the Bible.
  5. It is another Testament of Jesus Christ.
 
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The Prophet

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The Book of Mormon does more than that.
  1. It does contain information not found in the Bible.
  2. It clarifies many doctrines on which the Bible lacks clarity.
  3. It confirms that God a living, unchanging God, who does continue to speak to use today, as he did in ancient times.
  4. It is also an additional witnesses to the truth of the Bible.
  5. It is another Testament of Jesus Christ.
The Jesus of The LDS is foreign in the Book of Mormon and can't be found

 

Bonnie

Well-known member
Ask your Mormon friend that ,when WE answer HIS questions all the time, but our answers nearly always ARE IGNORED.

I saw what was written but it was a waffle. Smith said that the BoM was the most correct book on earth and on could get closer to God by reading it than by any other book (may be paraphrased). But since NONE of the doctrines unique to Mormonism--especially the most important ones pertaining to the temple works and the three degrees of glory and exaltation to godhood and becoming creators of worlds--is even hinted at in the BoM, then how can that be? How are these NOT the CORE DOCTRINES of your church, when they are arguably the most important ones? Else, why build expensive temples all over the world in which to perform the Mormon temple rights and covenants, so one can be "exalted to godhood" after death--if these whole temple things and works are NOT "core doctrines" but mere "appendages"??? When a few of your leaders have even said that anything less than exaltation is damnation? When little children in your primary classes are indoctrinated from an early age to sing such songs as "I Want to God to the Temple"...?

Maybe Mormons can swallow that, but I cannot and will not!
Definition of "fullness":

fullness
[ˈfo͝olnəs]

NOUN
  1. the state of being filled to capacity.
    "scores of cans in different states of fullness"
    • the state of having eaten enough or more than enough and feeling full.
      "the feeling of fullness you acquire from eating brown rice"
    • the state of being complete or whole.
      "the honesty and fullness of the information they provide"


    • So, DO note the definition....so, if the FULLNESS of the Gospel can be found in the BoM, then that means the COMPLETENESS of the Gospel can be found in it. The COMPLETE Gospel is supposedly found in it....but that is totally untrue! Nowhere are the temples and temple works that Mormons MUST do, IF they wish to reach the highest level of the CK after death, to become Gods and creators of worlds mentioned anywhere within its pages! So, it is NOT complete! And the Temple works so one can be exalted to godhood are arguably THE most important part of the Mormon doctrine of supposed full salvation!




 

Bonnie

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The Book of Mormon does more than that.
  1. It does contain information not found in the Bible.
  2. It clarifies many doctrines on which the Bible lacks clarity.
  3. It confirms that God a living, unchanging God, who does continue to speak to use today, as he did in ancient times.
  4. It is also an additional witnesses to the truth of the Bible.
  5. It is another Testament of Jesus Christ.
1. Smith made up stuff to "fill in the gaps." That is not the same thing as giving us true information.
2. The doctrines of salvation in the Bible are perfectly clear. No need for a pious fairy tale like the BoM.
3. God speaks to us through the HS via the word of God, the Bible. IF any new revelations come down the pike, they MUST be judged according to what God has already revealed to us in His written Word. IF the new revelations contradict the Bible, THEN THEY ARE NOT FROM GOD, BUT THE DEVIL. The LDS church is full of such unbiblical revelations.
4. It does witness sometimes to the truth of the Bible. But also contains stuff that is not biblical--like modalism, and grace not kicking in UNTIL we have done ALL we can do.
5. It is a pious fairy tale, that slips into modalism, having Jesus as His own Father, in some places. However, it is also explicitly monotheistic and Trinitarian. Which totally contradicts later "revelation" in Mormon doctrines, that is polytheistic and has Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as three separate gods, instead of "the one God" as the BoM plainly states.
 

organgrinder

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Why even have the Book of Mormon if it teaches are identical to the Bible and their are 66 books in the Bible and 66 witnesses
I find it amusing the Mormon is complaining about your answer. It is the same thing he does over...and over... and over and expects us to answer. Look at his initial post when he quoted Bonnie in some other post of which we have no reference. Well, shoe is on the other foot.
 
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dberrie2020

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Why even have the Book of Mormon if it teaches are identical to the Bible and their are 66 books in the Bible and 66 witnesses

For the same reason it states on the Book of Mormon--as a second witness to the reality of Jesus Christ.

So-- Prophet--please relate to us what you find in the Book of Mormon--which isn't also found in the Biblical NT--as far as salvational doctrines go?
 

dberrie2020

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1. Smith made up stuff to "fill in the gaps." That is not the same thing as giving us true information.
2. The doctrines of salvation in the Bible are perfectly clear. No need for a pious fairy tale like the BoM.

If it's a "fairy tale"--then you won't have any problems with listing for us what you find in the Book of Mormon--which isn't also found in the Biblical NT--as far as salvational doctrines go?
 

The Prophet

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For the same reason it states on the Book of Mormon--as a second witness to the reality of Jesus Christ.

So-- Prophet--please relate to us what you find in the Book of Mormon--which isn't also found in the Biblical NT--as far as salvational doctrines go?
Is Baptism found in The Book of Mormon, Three degrees of Glory, The Stick of the Book of Mormon Etc. Etc.
 
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