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Temujin

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Hardly. Give some reasons rather than opinion why you think pretending human beings can be killed because you think they are paracites.
The laws you hide behind need changing.
As I don't pretend human beings can be killed because I think they are paracites(sic), I don't see why I should give any reasons. Perhaps you would like to give reasons why you persistently misrepresent my position? The logical reason would be that you find it impossible to attack my actual position, so misrepresentation is all you have.
 

BMS

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It is also fairly typical of you that you think that a pregnant woman is an "imaginary social contract that undermines reality". That about sums up the coherence of your argument.
Woman, Temujin, in observable reality, biological sex and dictionary definition, is the adult female of the species with xx chromosomes, female anatomy and female reproductive organs. A man is the adult male human being with XY chromosomes, male anatomy and male reproductive organs. So when somone like yourself says a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' is a woman, be sure to know that when you use the word woman we know you dont know who or what you are talking about.
 

BMS

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As I don't pretend human beings can be killed because I think they are paracites(sic), I don't see why I should give any reasons. Perhaps you would like to give reasons why you persistently misrepresent my position? The logical reason would be that you find it impossible to attack my actual position, so misrepresentation is all you have.
Sorry, did you not call the foetus a paracite? Shall I check if its actually you misrepresenting my position and you making the false accustations.
 

Temujin

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Woman, Temujin, in observable reality, biological sex and dictionary definition, is the adult female of the species with xx chromosomes, female anatomy and female reproductive organs. A man is the adult male human being with XY chromosomes, male anatomy and male reproductive organs. So when somone like yourself says a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' is a woman, be sure to know that when you use the word woman we know you dont know who or what you are talking about.
This diatribe has no relevance to this thread. Are you conceding that you have lost completely, by trying to change the subject?
 

Temujin

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Sorry, did you not call the foetus a paracite? Shall I check if its actually you misrepresenting my position and you making the false accustations.
I have never called anything a paracite. The foetus is of course biologically parasitic on its mother. That is a simple scientific observation. It is not the basis for any moral judgement either way. Nor is it some kind of slight or insult. Just an objective scientific fact.

I have given my reasons why unborn human beings can be killed in the course of a legal abortion, why this is necessary for a well-ordered and humane society and why I support it. There is no pretence involved, since legal abortion is an almost universal concept.
 

BMS

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This diatribe has no relevance to this thread. Are you conceding that you have lost completely, by trying to change the subject?
You mentioned women so it is crucial to understand what you mean as part of the this thread.
 

BMS

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I have never called anything a paracite. The foetus is of course biologically parasitic on its mother.
Obviously parasite and not paracite and therefore yes you have called the foetus a parasite. So you have falsely accused me.

I have given my reasons why unborn human beings can be killed in the course of a legal abortion, why this is necessary for a well-ordered and humane society and why I support it. There is no pretence involved, since legal abortion is an almost universal concept.
and your reasons have been exposed as devoid of sound rational, logical and moral basis by the refutations.
 

Temujin

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Obviously parasite and not paracite and therefore yes you have called the foetus a parasite. So you have falsely accused me.
On the contrary, you made an untrue statement regarding my reasons behind my support for abortion. One of several, different untrue statements. As I have said, misrepresentation is seemingly all you have.

and your reasons have been exposed as devoid of sound rational, logical and moral basis by the refutations.
Nonsense. You have refuted nothing. You haven't even established a case for your own position, let alone refuted mine. You even fail to refute the straw man misrepresentations you have constantly used.
 

BMS

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The meaning in the context of pregnancy and abortion is apparent to the meanest intelligence. Though seemingly not to you.
The meaning of woman doesn't change to suit your argument using the pretext of context. Since you call a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' a woman, clearly you don't properly recognise what a woman is, so you aren't credible when you talk about women in a conversation.
So is a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' capable of conceiving with a man, carrying the pregnancy and aborting the offspring?
You arent a woman and you dont fully recognise what a woman is, yet you claim to speak for them.
 

BMS

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On the contrary, you made an untrue statement regarding my reasons behind my support for abortion. One of several, different untrue statements. As I have said, misrepresentation is seemingly all you have.

On the contrary, you made followed your untrue statement followed by an untrue denial. If we look back at the exchanges you clearly included the foetus as a parasite as your argument for pro-choice abortion.
 

Temujin

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The meaning of woman doesn't change to suit your argument using the pretext of context. Since you call a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' a woman, clearly you don't properly recognise what a woman is, so you aren't credible when you talk about women in a conversation.
So is a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' capable of conceiving with a man, carrying the pregnancy and aborting the offspring?
You arent a woman and you dont fully recognise what a woman is, yet you claim to speak for them.
Irrelevant to this thread.
 

Temujin

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On the contrary, you made followed your untrue statement followed by an untrue denial. If we look back at the exchanges you clearly included the foetus as a parasite as your argument for pro-choice abortion.
You said this:
"you think pretending human beings can be killed because you think they are paracites. (sic)".

That statement is untrue.
 

BMS

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Irrelevant to this thread.
Crucial to your posts as described. Since you dont always recognise what a woman is, we cant be sure what you are trying to say.
You will need to clear it up of you want to debate the topic using it
 

BMS

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You said this:
"you think pretending human beings can be killed because you think they are paracites. (sic)".

That statement is untrue.
Which bit? You have included the foetus as a parasite in your argument for pro-choice abortion, and so how is it untrue? Were you telling fibs ar the time?
 

Temujin

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Crucial to your posts as described. Since you dont always recognise what a woman is, we cant be sure what you are trying to say.
You will need to clear it up of you want to debate the topic using it
Irrelevant to this thread.
 

Temujin

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Which bit? You have included the foetus as a parasite in your argument for pro-choice abortion, and so how is it untrue? Were you telling fibs ar the time?
Firstly I do not pretend that unborn humans can be killed. It is a reality. That is what legal abortion permits. I am not pretending. I, unlike you, am acknowledging that reality.

Secondly, the reason I argue in favour of legal abortion options is not because of what the foetus is, but because of what it is not. You are just trying to use two dogwhistle pejorative terms to dishonestly attack my position while misrepresenting it. This is not honest debate on your part. Leave out the emotive language and accept that what I think about this subject is what I say about it. As a mind reader you are as hopeless as you are as a debater.
 

BMS

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Firstly I do not pretend that unborn humans can be killed. It is a reality. That is what legal abortion permits. I am not pretending. I, unlike you, am acknowledging that reality.

Secondly, the reason I argue in favour of legal abortion options is not because of what the foetus is, but because of what it is not. You are just trying to use two dogwhistle pejorative terms to dishonestly attack my position while misrepresenting it. This is not honest debate on your part. Leave out the emotive language and accept that what I think about this subject is what I say about it. As a mind reader you are as hopeless as you are as a debater.
Yes I know all that, but that isnt what I challenged you on, about your statement.
 
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