The Church of Joseph Smith: Mormonism

The precepts he taught are the same. It’s been the mormon Plan of Exaltation since then… that God the Father started as a human on a planet and worked his way up a ladder to godhood. Then created worlds and had spirit children to populate them with. And you’re supposed to do the same thing. He said God was not always God. And that means you can become just like him, and do all the things he does. And that’s a never-ending cycle.

That is the mormon doctrine. It’s reiterated in the D&C.
You stated their stories were all the same, are you going to read it and then apologize....I gave you the source to be able to complete your research and then make the same claim.... will you, know you probably don't have the time or the desire to factcheck me...
 
The precepts he taught are the same. It’s been the mormon Plan of Exaltation since then… that God the Father started as a human on a planet and worked his way up a ladder to godhood. Then created worlds and had spirit children to populate them with. And you’re supposed to do the same thing. He said God was not always God. And that means you can become just like him, and do all the things he does. And that’s a never-ending cycle.

That is the mormon doctrine. It’s reiterated in the D&C.
Really, where? it (King Follet discourse ) has never been canonized.... the proof is on you now since you made the claim it is....

The present text of quotes from the "King Follet discourse" as recorded in the lesson manual is from the Grimshaw Amalgamation​

The present text of quotes from the "King Follet discourse" as recorded in the lesson manual is from the Grimshaw Amalgamation, which was the work of Jonathan Grimshaw in 1855. Grimshaw was a clerk in the Church Historian's Office assigned to prepare Joseph Smith’s sermons for inclusion in what would eventually become the 7-volume History of the Church.

Grimshaw relied upon the accounts of the four men who made record of the prophet’s words on that day​

Since there was no stenographic report of the sermon and no prepared text from which to reconstruct the sermon, Grimshaw relied upon the accounts of the four men who made record of the prophet’s words on that day. Three of these men, Thomas Bullock, Willard Richards and William Clayton, were assigned to do so and the fourth, Wilford Woodruff, made a record for inclusion in his journal.

Thomas Bullock amalgamated together his account and that of William Clayton in 1844, which was then printed in the LDS periodical Times and Seasons. Grimshaw took this amalgamation and amalgamated it with the accounts of Willard Richards and Wilford Woodruff in an attempt to provide the most complete account possible. This version of the sermon has been reprinted more than any other and has been published in the Ensign, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, and History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is also the source of the quotations noted above from Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith.
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Really, where? it (King Follet discourse ) has never been canonized.... the proof is on you now since you made the claim it is....

The present text of quotes from the "King Follet discourse" as recorded in the lesson manual is from the Grimshaw Amalgamation​

The present text of quotes from the "King Follet discourse" as recorded in the lesson manual is from the Grimshaw Amalgamation, which was the work of Jonathan Grimshaw in 1855. Grimshaw was a clerk in the Church Historian's Office assigned to prepare Joseph Smith’s sermons for inclusion in what would eventually become the 7-volume History of the Church.

Grimshaw relied upon the accounts of the four men who made record of the prophet’s words on that day​

Since there was no stenographic report of the sermon and no prepared text from which to reconstruct the sermon, Grimshaw relied upon the accounts of the four men who made record of the prophet’s words on that day. Three of these men, Thomas Bullock, Willard Richards and William Clayton, were assigned to do so and the fourth, Wilford Woodruff, made a record for inclusion in his journal.

Thomas Bullock amalgamated together his account and that of William Clayton in 1844, which was then printed in the LDS periodical Times and Seasons. Grimshaw took this amalgamation and amalgamated it with the accounts of Willard Richards and Wilford Woodruff in an attempt to provide the most complete account possible. This version of the sermon has been reprinted more than any other and has been published in the Ensign, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, and History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is also the source of the quotations noted above from Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith.
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The mormon doctrine of the Plan of Exaltation is taught everywhere in mormonism… manuals, speeches, other literature. The D&C talks about it. The same doctrine Smith introduced in his General Conference speech. Do you deny the doctrine is the same?
 
The mormon doctrine of the Plan of Exaltation is taught everywhere in mormonism… manuals, speeches, other literature. The D&C talks about it. The same doctrine Smith introduced in his General Conference speech. Do you deny the doctrine is the same?
Again, the Speech is not canonized.... please prove me wrong...
 
Again, the Speech is not canonized.... please prove me wrong...
So what if it wasn't. Your prophet and revelator taught it as revelation didn't he? Your church is just embarrassed by it and relegates it to the archives in hopes nobody remembers. Same with Brigham Young's stuff. It was taught and accepted by the folks until it wasn't.
 
So what if it wasn't. Your prophet and revelator taught it as revelation didn't he? Your church is just embarrassed by it and relegates it to the archives in hopes nobody remembers. Same with Brigham Young's stuff. It was taught and accepted by the folks until it wasn't.
That's not the issue, the accusation is that it was canonized...if you wish to talk about whether its revelation or not... start a new topic.
 
That's not the issue, the accusation is that it was canonized...if you wish to talk about whether its revelation or not... start a new topic.

The present text of quotes from the "King Follet discourse" as recorded in the lesson manual is from the Grimshaw Amalgamation​

 
That's not the issue, the accusation is that it was canonized...if you wish to talk about whether its revelation or not... start a new topic.
The people accepted it. Smith preached it. Brigham accepted it. What more do you need? A vote? Did they take votes in the OT to determine whether a prophet's revelations and announcements from God should be accepted and believed? God doesn't have a democracy.
 
The people accepted it. Smith preached it. Brigham accepted it. What more do you need? A vote? Did they take votes in the OT to determine whether a prophet's revelations and announcements from God should be accepted and believed? God doesn't have a democracy.
None of the above can you source or give quotes on.... you're just making it up....
 
The people accepted it. Smith preached it. Brigham accepted it. What more do you need? A vote? Did they take votes in the OT to determine whether a prophet's revelations and announcements from God should be accepted and believed? God doesn't have a democracy.
When we accept or vote on something, it only means we support it or do not support it.... nice try.
 
None of the above can you source or give quotes on.... you're just making it up....
When I was 21, my 75-year-old Mormon landlord in southeast Idaho believed that stuff. So did the other Mormons in the area. And McConkie was still used, too.
 
Show me where the King Follett is canonized? I can't hear you, you're mumbling
It certainly isn't scripture. But there are many points in the KFD that are part of our doctrine. One should not look to our critics to determine the doctrine that is taught from the KFD.
 
Show me where the King Follett is canonized? I can't hear you, you're mumbling
It's not.... but Joseph Smith your founding prophet and revelator, Brigham Young and other successors and the faithful believed it. Why? Because it was a "revelation" from God and was believed doctrinally. Well, until recently when it was shelved to the back burner. You guys make a big deal of revelation from your prophets, but you really don't believe them. You are as phony as a three dollar bill.
 
The speech itself does not need to be canonized for the precepts to be taught as doctrine in mormonism. And they are.
And the KFD is on the LDS website and endorsed by their church.


There is no complete or verbatim record of what Joseph said, but several individuals took notes, making this one of Joseph’s best-recorded sermons.2.....

Since 1844, the Church has continued to teach the core doctrines that Joseph presented in the King Follett discourse and to view the plan of salvation in light of the truths Joseph Smith taught about humankind’s premortal existence, mortal experience, and divine eternal potential.

So, Mormons on here cannot complain and say it was copied incorrectly, or that their church doesn't teach what Smith taught in this speech. OR that we got it wrong.
 
It's not.... but Joseph Smith your founding prophet and revelator, Brigham Young and other successors and the faithful believed it. Why? Because it was a "revelation" from God and was believed doctrinally. Well, until recently when it was shelved to the back burner. You guys make a big deal of revelation from your prophets, but you really don't believe them. You are as phony as a three dollar bill.
I might also believe it... so what? its still not canonized...
 
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