The Confiteor

[RayneBeau]

Why do Roman Catholics audibly confess at the beginning of each Mass performance, that they are insurmountable sinners in thought, word and deed, stating repeatedly that their sins are their own fault and expressing verbally a repetitious recited confession of their sins to unknown dead and buried people, as well as to other sorts of unknown invisible, yet living objects, who are apparently some sort of beings in another realm - although they are not, and were not, human beings at any time. While wrapped up in mindlessly reciting this ritualistic prayer, the penitent Roman Catholics then audibly beseech Virgin Mary, Michael the Archangel, John the Baptist, 2 Apostles - Peter and Paul, and all the numberless saints to pray for them to God. Doesn't this sounds like a cult of misled people who have a zeal for the supernatural realm and have abandoned all reason, sound doctrine and common sense in order to grab ahold of anything that even appears to have the markings of something supernatural upon it?

 

[Nondenom40]

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Still knowingly misrepresenting Luther. Is that your version of 'sinning boldly?' Is this continual misrepresentation of Luther a sin MF? Is it relevant to the state of your soul or is your post just lip service to your church? If catholics 'actually' believe sin is relevant...why do you do it so unashamedly?

 

[mica]

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those in leadership make examples of that for their followers.

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be sure to tell us who you claim said that.

 

[1Thess521]

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Strawman;
That is not what the doctrine nicknamed total depravity means:

Is does mean that every aspect of our life is totally affected by sin.

"Total Depravity is the doctrine that fallen man is completely touched by sin and that he is completely a sinner. He is not as bad as he could be, but in all areas of his being, body, soul, spirit, mind, emotions, etc., he is touched by sin. In that sense, he is totally depraved."

Total Depravity

Total Depravity is the doctrine that fallen man is completely touched by sin in all areas of his being, body, soul, spirit, mind, emotions, etc.

carm.org

 

[1Thess521]

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I'm shocked!!!
Shocked I tell you!!
I'm shocked that Luther would use hyperbole:
Please don't tell us he also use metaphors and similes too!!

 

[balshan]

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Really you don't trust Jesus and what He says? The adultery comment coming from a member of the institution that has had sexually immoral leaders for centuries, they must make you proud. Some one can physical commit adultery 1000x a day, what are they drinking? Just more false claims from an RC, no surprise really.

 

[balshan]

I'm shocked!!!
Shocked I tell you!!
I'm shocked that Luther would use hyperbole:
Please don't tell us he also use metaphors and similes too!!

Didn't Paul put something very similar in his writings?

 

[balshan]

Please can an RC tell me why they keep sinning, if they believe that you do not sin again. Please show me why the need for confession, the sacraments, the last rite, purgatory, Marian scapulars etc? Why do RC leaders go to confession and repeat their sin?

 

[Mysterium Fidei]

Please can an RC tell me why they keep sinning, if they believe that you do not sin again. Please show me why the need for confession, the sacraments, the last rite, purgatory, Marian scapulars etc? Why do RC leaders go to confession and repeat their sin?

Who said that you do not sin again? Please show where a Catholic said that.

 

[balshan]

If RCs understood what being saved truly meant, they would not misquote Luther at all. If one is saved, God changes our minds, we behave differently. We do not lie about divorces being annulments for example. We do not pretend we can sin and that is okay because we have confession and all is forgiven.

If you are truly saved and have REPENTED. That means you are a changed person.

 

[balshan]

Who said that you do not sin again? Please show where a Catholic said that.

That is what you imply in your posts. That non RCs keep sinning and that RCs don't. This is the problem when you misinterpret what others write and generalize, it makes a person look foolish and lost.

 

[mica]

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a union with the spirit of God, whereby men are made his adoptive children, heirs of heaven.

that doesn't happen until your heart is changed by God in the rebirth.

 

[Stella1000]

Why do Roman Catholics audibly confess at the beginning of each Mass performance, that they are insurmountable sinners in thought, word and deed, stating repeatedly that their sins are their own fault and expressing verbally a repetitious recited confession of their sins to unknown dead and buried people, as well as to other sorts of unknown invisible, yet living objects, who are apparently some sort of beings in another realm - although they are not, and were not, human beings at any time. While wrapped up in mindlessly reciting this ritualistic prayer, the penitent Roman Catholics then audibly beseech Virgin Mary, Michael the Archangel, John the Baptist, 2 Apostles - Peter and Paul, and all the numberless saints to pray for them to God. Doesn't this sounds like a cult of misled people who have a zeal for the supernatural realm and have abandoned all reason, sound doctrine and common sense in order to grab ahold of anything that even appears to have the markings of something supernatural upon it?

That's quite rambling and ambiguous. In dot points, what are your objections to the Confiteor?

 

[balshan]

That's quite rambling and ambiguous. In dot points, what are your objections to the Confiteor?

Oh that was a rude response and not true.

 

[1Thess521]

I addressed the part that is not hyperbole.

" but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. "
Trust in Christ should be stronger that the strength of sin
what a concept!!!
amen!!!!

 

[pilgrim]

" but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. "

amen!!!!

That does not justify the unbiblical first part.

 

[1Thess521]

That does not justify the unbiblical first part.

Trust in Christ should be stronger that the strength of sin
what a concept!!!

 

[balshan]

rom 6

1. What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?

15. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!

Quoted out of context these Paul could be misunderstood too.

 

[balshan]

All the hyperbole in the world does not excuse "Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong".

"Be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect."

That ^ is Scriptural. Or do Protestants think that is hyperbole as well?

Stop misquoting Luther it is bearing false witness. Post the whole context, not just one line. RCs seem to think going to confession justifies their sinning. Look at those sexually immoral priests.

 

[pilgrim]

Stop misquoting Luther it is bearing false witness. Post the whole context, not just one line. RCs seem to think going to confession justifies their sinning. Look at those sexually immoral priests.

I posted the whole paragraph with that line.
You cannot justify "Be a sinner and and let your sins be strong".