The Crucifixion account in Islam.

sk0rpi0n

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Synopsis: The Quran's statements on the crucifixion can be perfectly reconciled with Jesus' ability to lay down his own life and taking it back again. And also the idea that God can take people up while they're still alive.
 

Biblican

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Synopsis: The Quran's statements on the crucifixion can be perfectly reconciled with Jesus' ability to lay down his own life and taking it back again. And also the idea that God can take people up while they're still alive.
Jesus' body died on the cross. When the centurion pierced HIs side out came water from the heart's pericardial sac. He had to die to fulfill the prophecy in Isaiah 53:10 and the foreshadows and typologies in the Old Testament. But because Jesus is Ruh Allah, a Spirit from God, His Spirit could not die. His Spirit is God's Holy Spirit, which unifies His soul with God and makes Him divine and one with God as Jesus said, "I and My Father are one" john 10:30. Isaiah 42:1. This verse has a counterpart in the Koran. I think it's 2:87.
 

BMS

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Except there were eye witnesses to Jesus crucifiction and resurrection.
The quaran was written centuries later.
Next you will be telling us the Roman Empire never existed.
 

sk0rpi0n

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Except there were eye witnesses to Jesus crucifiction and resurrection.

so why do the different gospels have different accounts of the crucifixion and the resurrection?

The quaran was written centuries later.

How is that relevant? The New Testament was written centuries after the Old Testament.
 

BMS

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so why do the different gospels have different accounts of the crucifixion and the resurrection?



How is that relevant? The New Testament was written centuries after the Old Testament.
The different gospel accounts dont contradict each other on the crucifixion and resurrection, and the gospels were written within the lifetimes of the eyewitnesses.
 

JonHawk

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so why do the different gospels have different accounts of the crucifixion and the resurrection?

Qur'an 4.159 There is not one of the People of the Book but will surely believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them.


Without the shedding of blood there is no release from sin. Hebrews 9:22
And when the Spirit of truth has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; John 16:7-14

But you (believers in Christ} have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 1 John 2:20
 
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Biblican

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so why do the different gospels have different accounts of the crucifixion and the resurrection?



How is that relevant? The New Testament was written centuries after the Old Testament
All four gospels say the same thing, Jesus died and was resurrected. Some details vary depending on what the individual writer was remembering or in the case of Mark and Luke, what they were told from the people who were there. All four accounts harmonize beautifully.
The gospels record the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies of Jesus' death and resurrection. Please read Isaiah 53.
 

Biblican

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Synopsis: The Quran's statements on the crucifixion can be perfectly reconciled with Jesus' ability to lay down his own life and taking it back again. And also the idea that God can take people up while they're still alive.
Jesus' Spirit is God's Holy Spirit and cannot die. His body died, the image that is mentioned in the Koran. His soul was released when HIs body died and went to paradise to give the gospel to the souls there so they could go to heaven. The fact that He died is a recorded historical fact noted by secular historians.
 

tbeachhead

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so why do the different gospels have different accounts of the crucifixion and the resurrection?
They do not. They have four perspectives of the same events, written soon after the event.
How is that relevant?
It is not an eyewitness account, but pure invention purposed to create a new narrative, necessary if Jesus is going to be replaced by another prophet.
The New Testament was written centuries after the Old Testament.
Immaterial. The New Testament is a collection of eye-witness accounts of contemporary events, and the collective wisdom drawn from the implications of those precise events.
 

sk0rpi0n

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They do not. They have four perspectives of the same events, written soon after the event.

If the four perspectives of the same event vary and contradict each other, it's a problem. We have every reason to doubt it.

Because in a court of law, if four eyewitnesses narrated four stories that vary and contradict each other, a judge would not accept them as evidence and the party the four were witnessing for would lose the case.

It is not an eyewitness account, but pure invention purposed to create a new narrative

That can be said about the new Testament as well.

Many events in the Gospels did not have eyewitnesses: such as Jesus' prayer in Gethsemane (where all the disciples were asleep) and Jesus' conversation with Pilate (when they were alone). Yet, they appear in the Gospels.
 

Biblican

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If the four perspectives of the same event vary and contradict each other, it's a problem. We have every reason to doubt it.

Because in a court of law, if four eyewitnesses narrated four stories that vary and contradict each other, a judge would not accept them as evidence and the party the four were witnessing for would lose the case.



That can be said about the new Testament as well.

Many events in the Gospels did not have eyewitnesses: such as Jesus' prayer in Gethsemane (where all the disciples were asleep) and Jesus' conversation with Pilate (when they were alone). Yet, they appear in the Gospels.
All of the gospel accounts say the same thing, that Jesus died and was raised from the dead which is the gospel, injil, which Muhammad instructed his followers to read. He would not have said that if he thought the gospel narratives contradict each other.
Aside from that the Gospel narratives are supported by the Old Testament scriptures of which the New Testament scriptures are the fulfillment.
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would reveal the truth and anything that the disciples did not actually witness was shown to them by the Spirit.
 
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