The culture of 19th century Digging and...

[Richard7]

Ask Nelson. He says he has the eyewitness accounts. He also said this…

“Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process.”

You said he also said this... and you don't give a source, so its irrelevant until you tell us the source...



In what was then called “the preface” to the Book of Mormon, Joseph explained, “I would inform you that I translated, by the gift and power of God.”[9] He later noted that “it was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the book of Mormon, & also said that it was not expedient for him to relate these things &c.”[10]



Though the precise mechanics are unknown to us, we know that it was a spiritual process. For us here and now, individual faith and receiving a testimony of the Book of Mormon far outweigh any details of stories or descriptions of how the text was revealed to Joseph Smith.

 

[Magdalena]

You said he also said this... and you don't give a source, so its irrelevant until you tell us the source...



In what was then called “the preface” to the Book of Mormon, Joseph explained, “I would inform you that I translated, by the gift and power of God.”[9] He later noted that “it was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the book of Mormon, & also said that it was not expedient for him to relate these things &c.”[10]



Though the precise mechanics are unknown to us, we know that it was a spiritual process. For us here and now, individual faith and receiving a testimony of the Book of Mormon far outweigh any details of stories or descriptions of how the text was revealed to Joseph Smith.

It was in the article I had just posted, which you obviously didn’t read.

Transcript: President Nelson Priesthood Restoration Site Dedication

President Russell M. Nelson's remarks at the dedication of the Priesthood Restoration Site.

newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org

“Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process.”

 

[Richard7]

It was in the article I had just posted, which you obviously didn’t read.

Nelson even stated: "Most of what we know of this period of translation comes from eyewitnesses to the process." quoting your source. Now go back and find me those eyewitnesses please!
So where are you witnesses Magdalena... where are sources also. The video proves I'm right and Markk fudged and mistated what he said or left out the above....

Transcript: President Nelson Priesthood Restoration Site Dedication

President Russell M. Nelson's remarks at the dedication of the Priesthood Restoration Site.

newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org

“Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process.”

Most of what we know of this period of translation comes from eyewitnesses to the process. The miracle of this translation was underscored by Joseph’s wife, Emma, who said that Joseph “could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded letter; let alone dictating a book like the Book of Mormon.” To their children she further explained, “Your father would dictate to me for hour after hour; and when returning after meals, or after interruptions, he would at once begin where he had left off, without either seeing the manuscript or having any portion of it read to him.”

Name the witnesses, Markk used mostly 2nd and third hand accounts, maybe you can do better... hmm

 

[Magdalena]

Nelson even stated: "Most of what we know of this period of translation comes from eyewitnesses to the process." quoting your source. Now go back and find me those eyewitnesses please!
So where are you witnesses Magdalena... where are sources also. The video proves I'm right and Markk fudged and mistated what he said or left out the above....




Most of what we know of this period of translation comes from eyewitnesses to the process. The miracle of this translation was underscored by Joseph’s wife, Emma, who said that Joseph “could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded letter; let alone dictating a book like the Book of Mormon.” To their children she further explained, “Your father would dictate to me for hour after hour; and when returning after meals, or after interruptions, he would at once begin where he had left off, without either seeing the manuscript or having any portion of it read to him.”

Name the witnesses, Markk used mostly 2nd and third hand accounts, maybe you can do better... hmm

This is what we were discussing…

“Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process.”

Nelson said that in the article. Stop trying to change the subject.

 

[Richard7]

This is what we were discussing…

“Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process.”

Nelson said that in the article. Stop trying to change the subject.

Okay, where do you see this Magdalena... point it out please...

Transcript: President Russell M. Nelson Remarks and Dedicatory Prayer at Priesthood Restoration Site​

The Smith family home in upstate New York was located not far from Hill Cumorah. There, on September 21, 1823, the angel Moroni had first revealed to the young prophet the location of buried ancient golden plates. After four years of preparation, Joseph Smith received those plates from the angel Moroni on September 22, 1827, just eight months after his marriage to Emma. Moroni instructed Joseph to begin the work of translation, but threats of harm and constant harassment from enemies prevented Joseph from doing any work of translation. Because of the repeated and strenuous efforts by numerous individuals to steal the plates, Joseph and Emma were forced to leave Manchester.



Meanwhile, Emma’s father, Isaac, had softened his feelings about Joseph and invited the newlyweds to return to the Hale home in Harmony, about 120 miles southeast of Manchester. Emma’s brother, Alva Hale, assisted the Smiths in loading their wagon for the move to Harmony. This occurred in late 1827.



Upon Joseph and Emma’s return to Harmony, Isaac Hale was more than annoyed by Joseph’s refusal to let him see and handle the plates. So Joseph hid the plates in a nearby hillside. He and Emma moved into a small home built by Jesse Hale, another of Emma’s brothers. Although the work of translation was initiated in the Hale home, most of the translation was done in the Smith home, which was located on a small farm divided from the Hale property. In the beginning, Emma served as Joseph’s scribe. Later, in April 1828, Martin Harris arrived to assume temporary duties as scribe. Emma and her brother, Reuben, acted briefly as scribes during the winter of 1828–29.



But challenges continued. Emma gave birth to their son on June 15, 1828. He lived only a few hours. Then Emma became very ill—she was near death herself. Over the next few weeks Joseph cared for her. As she became stronger, she inquired about a 116-page manuscript of translated text that Joseph had reluctantly loaned to Martin Harris. She insisted that Joseph check on Martin Harris. So in early July, Joseph traveled back to Manchester. Upon learning of the loss of that precious manuscript, Joseph anguished with inconsolable grief. His mother, Lucy, described “sobs and groans and the most bitter lamentations” filling the house. Joseph cried out, “Of what rebuke am I not worthy from the Angel of the most high?” His mother added that he continued “pacing backwards and forwards weeping and grieving like a tender infant untill about sunset.”[4] Joseph was chastised and the plates were taken away for a time.



Then, from April to June 1829, translation of the plates was resumed with full intensity. Oliver Cowdery assisted as scribe. By the end of June, Joseph Smith had translated that ancient record from a language, unknown to him into the English language. It was done in less than three months! He translated at the rate of six to eight manuscript pages per day! Compare that with how you feel when you read eight to ten pages per day. He translated at that rate.



Other distractions occurred during that three-month period. Joseph and Emma had to move to Fayette, New York. He temporarily ran out of paper. He filed for a copyright, received heavenly messengers who restored the priesthood, and received 15 revelations that are now canonized in the Doctrine and Covenants.[5] How in the world could he have done all that? Only with the Lord’s help!



Most of what we know of this period of translation comes from eyewitnesses to the process. The miracle of this translation was underscored by Joseph’s wife, Emma, who said that Joseph “could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded letter; let alone dictating a book like the Book of Mormon.” To their children she further explained, “Your father would dictate to me for hour after hour; and when returning after meals, or after interruptions, he would at once begin where he had left off, without either seeing the manuscript or having any portion of it read to him.”[6]



David Whitmer added, “One character at a time would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was the principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to Brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear.”[7]



God prepared sacred objects to assist Joseph with the translation. Interpreters—often referred to as the Urim and Thummim—were buried with the gold plates, described as a[U] clear pair of stones bound together [/U]with a metal rim. In 1829, Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process. This pattern was not without precedent, as such instruments had been used by prophets throughout scriptural history to translate texts and receive divine communications.[8]

Notice seer stones, not magic seer stone.... all the anti or 2-3 hand accounts have used the phrase seer stone or magic seer stone, never stones...

In what was then called “the preface” to the Book of Mormon, Joseph explained, “I would inform you that I translated, by the gift and power of God.”[9] He later noted that “it was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the book of Mormon, & also said that it was not expedient for him to relate these things &c.”[10]

 

[Magdalena]

Okay, where do you see this Magdalena... point it out please...

Transcript: President Russell M. Nelson Remarks and Dedicatory Prayer at Priesthood Restoration Site​

The Smith family home in upstate New York was located not far from Hill Cumorah. There, on September 21, 1823, the angel Moroni had first revealed to the young prophet the location of buried ancient golden plates. After four years of preparation, Joseph Smith received those plates from the angel Moroni on September 22, 1827, just eight months after his marriage to Emma. Moroni instructed Joseph to begin the work of translation, but threats of harm and constant harassment from enemies prevented Joseph from doing any work of translation. Because of the repeated and strenuous efforts by numerous individuals to steal the plates, Joseph and Emma were forced to leave Manchester.



Meanwhile, Emma’s father, Isaac, had softened his feelings about Joseph and invited the newlyweds to return to the Hale home in Harmony, about 120 miles southeast of Manchester. Emma’s brother, Alva Hale, assisted the Smiths in loading their wagon for the move to Harmony. This occurred in late 1827.



Upon Joseph and Emma’s return to Harmony, Isaac Hale was more than annoyed by Joseph’s refusal to let him see and handle the plates. So Joseph hid the plates in a nearby hillside. He and Emma moved into a small home built by Jesse Hale, another of Emma’s brothers. Although the work of translation was initiated in the Hale home, most of the translation was done in the Smith home, which was located on a small farm divided from the Hale property. In the beginning, Emma served as Joseph’s scribe. Later, in April 1828, Martin Harris arrived to assume temporary duties as scribe. Emma and her brother, Reuben, acted briefly as scribes during the winter of 1828–29.



But challenges continued. Emma gave birth to their son on June 15, 1828. He lived only a few hours. Then Emma became very ill—she was near death herself. Over the next few weeks Joseph cared for her. As she became stronger, she inquired about a 116-page manuscript of translated text that Joseph had reluctantly loaned to Martin Harris. She insisted that Joseph check on Martin Harris. So in early July, Joseph traveled back to Manchester. Upon learning of the loss of that precious manuscript, Joseph anguished with inconsolable grief. His mother, Lucy, described “sobs and groans and the most bitter lamentations” filling the house. Joseph cried out, “Of what rebuke am I not worthy from the Angel of the most high?” His mother added that he continued “pacing backwards and forwards weeping and grieving like a tender infant untill about sunset.”[4] Joseph was chastised and the plates were taken away for a time.



Then, from April to June 1829, translation of the plates was resumed with full intensity. Oliver Cowdery assisted as scribe. By the end of June, Joseph Smith had translated that ancient record from a language, unknown to him into the English language. It was done in less than three months! He translated at the rate of six to eight manuscript pages per day! Compare that with how you feel when you read eight to ten pages per day. He translated at that rate.



Other distractions occurred during that three-month period. Joseph and Emma had to move to Fayette, New York. He temporarily ran out of paper. He filed for a copyright, received heavenly messengers who restored the priesthood, and received 15 revelations that are now canonized in the Doctrine and Covenants.[5] How in the world could he have done all that? Only with the Lord’s help!



Most of what we know of this period of translation comes from eyewitnesses to the process. The miracle of this translation was underscored by Joseph’s wife, Emma, who said that Joseph “could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded letter; let alone dictating a book like the Book of Mormon.” To their children she further explained, “Your father would dictate to me for hour after hour; and when returning after meals, or after interruptions, he would at once begin where he had left off, without either seeing the manuscript or having any portion of it read to him.”[6]



David Whitmer added, “One character at a time would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was the principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to Brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear.”[7]



God prepared sacred objects to assist Joseph with the translation. Interpreters—often referred to as the Urim and Thummim—were buried with the gold plates, described as a[U] clear pair of stones bound together [/U]with a metal rim. In 1829, Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process. This pattern was not without precedent, as such instruments had been used by prophets throughout scriptural history to translate texts and receive divine communications.[8]

Notice seer stones, not magic seer stone.... all the anti or 2-3 hand accounts have used the phrase seer stone or magic seer stone, never stones...

In what was then called “the preface” to the Book of Mormon, Joseph explained, “I would inform you that I translated, by the gift and power of God.”[9] He later noted that “it was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the book of Mormon, & also said that it was not expedient for him to relate these things &c.”[10]

“God prepared sacred objects to assist Joseph with the translation. Interpreters—often referred to as the Urim and Thummim—were buried with the gold plates, described as a clear pair of stones bound together with a metal rim. In 1829, Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process.”

Read the whole thing without skipping over what you don’t want to see.

 

[Richard7]

“God prepared sacred objects to assist Joseph with the translation. Interpreters—often referred to as the Urim and Thummim—were buried with the gold plates, described as a clear pair of stones bound together with a metal rim. In 1829, Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process.”

Read the whole thing without skipping over what you don’t want to see.

No, please copy and paste your complaint that Pres. Nelson said, word for word... here is the site..

Transcript: President Nelson Priesthood Restoration Site Dedication

President Russell M. Nelson's remarks at the dedication of the Priesthood Restoration Site.

newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org

 

[Richard7]

What does the church call the stone?

What stone, there is the magic seer stone, the seer stone, the seer stones, the Urim and Thummim, the Spectacles, the Urim and Thummim seer stones, the interpreters, the Spectacles and the two clear stones, transparent and white which were placed in a hat... sketchy good buddy or a barn burner... you have no idea of what you're talking about because you put to much faith in David Whitmer, Mormonism Unveiled, Bushman, Howe, Hurlbut, and Vogel... great crowd you run around with Markk... time to cut and run good buddy, see ya in a few years when you can come back and tell me the Church now has women priesthood holder, gay marriages and The New Mormonism is now our history... chuckle.

 

[Richard7]

From a speech by Nelson in Pennsylvania in 2015…

“God prepared sacred objects to assist Joseph with the translation. Interpreters—often referred to as the Urim and Thummim—were buried with the gold plates, described as a clear pair of stones bound together with a metal rim. In 1829, Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process.”

Transcript: President Nelson Priesthood Restoration Site Dedication

President Russell M. Nelson's remarks at the dedication of the Priesthood Restoration Site.

newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org

Your church has stated that the brown stone they have is one of the seer stones Smith used. They call it a seer stone. They don’t question it. There is no confusion. What is your problem?

Here it is again, from your source in which you stated the above...

God prepared sacred objects to assist Joseph with the translation. Interpreters—often referred to as the Urim and Thummim—were buried with the gold plates, described as a clear pair of stones bound together with a metal rim. In 1829, Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process. This pattern was not without precedent, as such instruments had been used by prophets throughout scriptural history to translate texts and receive divine communications.[8]


Other seer stones, when not one account I have shared with Markk ever stated seer stones except Pres. Nelson stating, Urim and Thummim seer stones (plural) as in the two stones used in the lens of the spectacles....



In what was then called “the preface” to the Book of Mormon, Joseph explained, “I would inform you that I translated, by the gift and power of God.”[9] He later noted that “it was not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the book of Mormon, & also said that it was not expedient for him to relate these things &c.”[10]



Though the precise mechanics are unknown to us, we know that it was a spiritual process. For us here and now, individual faith and receiving a testimony of the Book of Mormon far outweigh any details of stories or descriptions of how the text was revealed to Joseph Smith.


The precise mechanics are unknown Magdalena... and and receiving a testimony of the Book of Mormon far outweigh any details of stories or descriptions of how the text was revealed to Joseph Smith.

 

[Magdalena]

No, please copy and paste your complaint that Pres. Nelson said, word for word... here is the site..

Transcript: President Nelson Priesthood Restoration Site Dedication

President Russell M. Nelson's remarks at the dedication of the Priesthood Restoration Site.

newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org

How many times do you need to see it?

“God prepared sacred objects to assist Joseph with the translation. Interpreters—often referred to as the Urim and Thummim—were buried with the gold plates, described as a clear pair of stones bound together with a metal rim. In 1829, Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process.”

 

[Richard7]

How many times do you need to see it?

“God prepared sacred objects to assist Joseph with the translation. Interpreters—often referred to as the Urim and Thummim—were buried with the gold plates, described as a clear pair of stones bound together with a metal rim. In 1829, Joseph used the interpreters and other seer stones in the translation process.”

Other seer stones, yet nobody who claims to be a witness never uses the term seer stones... the Interpreter is the seer stones as I have outlined
many times already...


Also, that there were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted “seers” in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book.” (Joseph Smith—History 1:34–35)

Oliver Cowdrey.
I wrote with my own pen, the entire Book of Mormon (save a few pages) as it fell from the lips of the Prophet Joseph Smith, as he translated it by the gift and power of God, by means of the Urim and Thummim, or, as it is called by the book, “holy interpreters.” I beheld with my eyes, and handled with my hands, the gold plates from which it was translated. I also saw with my eyes and handled with my hands the “holy interpreters.” The book is true. Sidney Rigdon did not write it; Mr. Spaulding did not write it; I wrote it myself as it fell from the lips of the Prophet.

William Smith’s description: “A silver bow ran over one stone, under the other, around [sic] over that one and under the first in the shape of a horizontal figure 8…[T]hey were much too large for Joseph and he could only see through one at a time using sometimes one and sometimes the other.” These stones, he continued, “were attached to the breastplate by a rod which was fastened at the outer shoulde[r] edge of the breastplate and to the edge of the silver bow.” (Tyrell Givens, By the Hand of Mormon, p.22)



Another account from William Smith: “Among other things we inquired minutely about the Urim and Thummim and the breastplate. We asked him what was meant by the expression “two rims of a bow,” which held the former. He said a double silver bow was twisted into the shape of the figure eight, and the two stones were placed literally between the two rims of a bow. At one end was attached a rod which was connected with the outer edge of the right shoulder of the breast-plate. By pressing the head a little forward, the rod held the Urim and Thummim before the eyes much like a pair of spectacles. A pocket was prepared in the breastplate on the left side, immediately over the heart. When not in use the Urim and Thummim was placed in this pocket, the rod being of just the right length to allow it to be so deposited. This instrument could, however, be detached from the breastplate and his brother said Joseph often wore it detached when away from home, but always used it in connection with the breastplate when receiving official communications, and usually so when translating as it permitted him to have both hands free to hold the plates.” (J. W. Peterson in The Rod of Iron I:3 (February 1924), 6—7.)

Don't be so dense about this.

Nice, what if I called you dense... you would have a fit... and most likely report me... chuckle.

 

[Magdalena]

Other seer stones, yet nobody who claims to be a witness never uses the term seer stones... the Interpreter is the seer stones as I have outlined
many times already...


Also, that there were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted “seers” in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book.” (Joseph Smith—History 1:34–35)

Oliver Cowdrey.
I wrote with my own pen, the entire Book of Mormon (save a few pages) as it fell from the lips of the Prophet Joseph Smith, as he translated it by the gift and power of God, by means of the Urim and Thummim, or, as it is called by the book, “holy interpreters.” I beheld with my eyes, and handled with my hands, the gold plates from which it was translated. I also saw with my eyes and handled with my hands the “holy interpreters.” The book is true. Sidney Rigdon did not write it; Mr. Spaulding did not write it; I wrote it myself as it fell from the lips of the Prophet.

William Smith’s description: “A silver bow ran over one stone, under the other, around [sic] over that one and under the first in the shape of a horizontal figure 8…[T]hey were much too large for Joseph and he could only see through one at a time using sometimes one and sometimes the other.” These stones, he continued, “were attached to the breastplate by a rod which was fastened at the outer shoulde[r] edge of the breastplate and to the edge of the silver bow.” (Tyrell Givens, By the Hand of Mormon, p.22)



Another account from William Smith: “Among other things we inquired minutely about the Urim and Thummim and the breastplate. We asked him what was meant by the expression “two rims of a bow,” which held the former. He said a double silver bow was twisted into the shape of the figure eight, and the two stones were placed literally between the two rims of a bow. At one end was attached a rod which was connected with the outer edge of the right shoulder of the breast-plate. By pressing the head a little forward, the rod held the Urim and Thummim before the eyes much like a pair of spectacles. A pocket was prepared in the breastplate on the left side, immediately over the heart. When not in use the Urim and Thummim was placed in this pocket, the rod being of just the right length to allow it to be so deposited. This instrument could, however, be detached from the breastplate and his brother said Joseph often wore it detached when away from home, but always used it in connection with the breastplate when receiving official communications, and usually so when translating as it permitted him to have both hands free to hold the plates.” (J. W. Peterson in The Rod of Iron I:3 (February 1924), 6—7.)




Nice, what if I called you dense... you would have a fit... and most likely report me... chuckle.

I didn’t write that “dense” comment. Stop making false accusations.

 

[Magdalena]

Other seer stones, yet nobody who claims to be a witness never uses the term seer stones... the Interpreter is the seer stones as I have outlined
many times already...


Also, that there were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted “seers” in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book.” (Joseph Smith—History 1:34–35)

Oliver Cowdrey.
I wrote with my own pen, the entire Book of Mormon (save a few pages) as it fell from the lips of the Prophet Joseph Smith, as he translated it by the gift and power of God, by means of the Urim and Thummim, or, as it is called by the book, “holy interpreters.” I beheld with my eyes, and handled with my hands, the gold plates from which it was translated. I also saw with my eyes and handled with my hands the “holy interpreters.” The book is true. Sidney Rigdon did not write it; Mr. Spaulding did not write it; I wrote it myself as it fell from the lips of the Prophet.

William Smith’s description: “A silver bow ran over one stone, under the other, around [sic] over that one and under the first in the shape of a horizontal figure 8…[T]hey were much too large for Joseph and he could only see through one at a time using sometimes one and sometimes the other.” These stones, he continued, “were attached to the breastplate by a rod which was fastened at the outer shoulde[r] edge of the breastplate and to the edge of the silver bow.” (Tyrell Givens, By the Hand of Mormon, p.22)



Another account from William Smith: “Among other things we inquired minutely about the Urim and Thummim and the breastplate. We asked him what was meant by the expression “two rims of a bow,” which held the former. He said a double silver bow was twisted into the shape of the figure eight, and the two stones were placed literally between the two rims of a bow. At one end was attached a rod which was connected with the outer edge of the right shoulder of the breast-plate. By pressing the head a little forward, the rod held the Urim and Thummim before the eyes much like a pair of spectacles. A pocket was prepared in the breastplate on the left side, immediately over the heart. When not in use the Urim and Thummim was placed in this pocket, the rod being of just the right length to allow it to be so deposited. This instrument could, however, be detached from the breastplate and his brother said Joseph often wore it detached when away from home, but always used it in connection with the breastplate when receiving official communications, and usually so when translating as it permitted him to have both hands free to hold the plates.” (J. W. Peterson in The Rod of Iron I:3 (February 1924), 6—7.)




Nice, what if I called you dense... you would have a fit... and most likely report me... chuckle.

Your church says they have evidence there were other seer stones and they have shown photos of one of them. Emma talked about the dark brown stone. I don’t know what your objection is with it. Smith said he got tired of using the u&t because they were “cumbersome.” He used the brown stone. And then he said he got so good he didn’t need to use anything.

You’re fighting against your church’s real history, even though they have finally admitted to some of it. You want to hold onto the myth.

 

[Richard7]

Your church says they have evidence there were other seer stones and they have shown photos of one of them. Emma talked about the dark brown stone. I don’t know what your objection is with it. Smith said he got tired of using the u&t because they were “cumbersome.” He used the brown stone. And then he said he got so good he didn’t need to use anything.

Wrong again, they only have one stone, the chocolate colored stone... no where has JS the owner of it ever called it a seer stone... nice try, but if you can find a quote from JS stating he owned a chocolate magic seer stone I will apologizes for ever thinking differently... if he had other stones we don't know where they are Magdalena, where is the body Magdalena, or enough with your circumstantial facts and evidence.

You’re fighting against your church’s real history, even though they have finally admitted to some of it. You want to hold onto the myth.

Yes, it was stated there are many different accounts and even President Nelson stated a lot of different accounts and then stated he used the Urim and Thummim seer stones.... you can't change it Magdalena no matter how many times you view it... word for word I repeated it...

 

[Magdalena]

Wrong again, they only have one stone, the chocolate colored stone... no where has JS the owner of it ever called it a seer stone... nice try, but if you can find a quote from JS stating he owned a chocolate magic seer stone I will apologizes for ever thinking differently... if he had other stones we don't know where they are Magdalena, where is the body Magdalena, or enough with your circumstantial facts and evidence.


Yes, it was stated there are many different accounts and even President Nelson stated a lot of different accounts and then stated he used the Urim and Thummim seer stones.... you can't change it Magdalena no matter how many times you view it... word for word I repeated it...

You’re the one who is changing it, Ralf.

 

[Markk]

What stone, there is the magic seer stone, the seer stone, the seer stones, the Urim and Thummim, the Spectacles, the Urim and Thummim seer stones, the interpreters, the Spectacles and the two clear stones, transparent and white which were placed in a hat... sketchy good buddy or a barn burner... you have no idea of what you're talking about because you put to much faith in David Whitmer, Mormonism Unveiled, Bushman, Howe, Hurlbut, and Vogel... great crowd you run around with Markk... time to cut and run good buddy, see ya in a few years when you can come back and tell me the Church now has women priesthood holder, gay marriages and The New Mormonism is now our history... chuckle.

This stone...

Seer Stones

Seer Stones

www.churchofjesuschrist.org

 

[Markk]

Wrong again, they only have one stone, the chocolate colored stone... no where has JS the owner of it ever called it a seer stone... nice try, but if you can find a quote from JS stating he owned a chocolate magic seer stone I will apologizes for ever thinking differently... if he had other stones we don't know where they are Magdalena, where is the body Magdalena, or enough with your circumstantial facts and evidence.

Seer Stones

Seer Stones

www.churchofjesuschrist.org

Note the pic reads "Seer stone belonging to Joseph Smith." This is what the LDS church teaches.

And awhile ago you used a paper from Interpreter, that quoted Brigham Young stating Joseph had several stones.

 

[Theo1689]

But there was a claim by Cowdrey

"Joseph Field Smith"?!
"Cowdrey"?!

These guys don't even know the names of their past leaders!

 

[Richard7]

"Joseph Field Smith"?!
"Cowdrey"?!

These guys don't even know the names of their past leaders!

Wish I could understand you better, have no idea what you trying to say!

 

[Richard7]

You’re the one who is changing it, Ralf.

Here it is again.... I see you gave up trying to prove me wrong: Wrong again, they only have one stone, the chocolate colored stone... no where has JS the owner of it ever called it a seer stone... nice try, but if you can find a quote from JS stating he owned a chocolate magic seer stone I will apologizes for ever thinking differently... if he had other stones we don't know where they are Magdalena, where is the body Magdalena, or enough with your circumstantial facts and evidence.