Why do you believe that it was written in 94 AD?
Sorry, I do not want to get bogged down on studies that cannot be proven by the words of the scriptures. I will stick with discussing the day of the Lord theme of scripture in this thread because it is so important and if we will believe the words written about it we will all be in agreement of what it is teaching us.
John is building on the words of the Old Testament, especially the apocalyptic texts. What do clouds and earth mean in those contexts?
Also, what do the phrases "quickly", "shortly come to pass", and "time is at hand" mean?
Apocalyptic texts do not mean that every word in the texts is symbolic. Ezekiel's prophecy is call apocalyptic but does it mean the following verse should not be understood literally?
Eze 24:1 Again in the ninth year, in the tenth month, in the tenth [day] of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Is that apocalyptic? Ezekiel does this over and over in his book. He tells us when these certain prophecies came to him. They are literal but they do have a prophetic reason for being stated. The wisest course of action is to search out the reason why God did this because there must be one.
Maybe this will give you a better perspective on the promise of a quick return.
Re 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Re 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
Re 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Re 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
The question one who teaches that the prophecies in Revelation have occurred already is, when did Jesus come quickly? Another question; When did every eye see him when he came as he promised they would?
If Jesus Christ says he will come quickly and at the end of the book, and he has not come some two thousand years later, then it seems to me we must consider that he is speaking of the manner of his coming, the suddenness of his appearing. and not the time frame.
Why do you believe that it is the church in Revelation 4:1 that is called up to Heaven and not John?
1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Because the prophecies I read concerning the earth in the chapters following , through chapter 19 is dealing with wrath and judgement, both of God and of the devil.
Re 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
This is the day of the Lord. It is the time God has reserved to pour out his wrath on Christ rejecters and unbelievers and to destroy them out of the earth. The church has been delivered from the wrath to come, which is this wrath. I did not say that, God did. Believers "in Christ" are safe because Christ has already been punished for our sins when he died on the cross and rose again from the dead and we embraced it through repentance and faith. (
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead) Read context.
The day he has appointed is the Day of the Lord and he has been talking about it for hundreds of years, Therefore, if someone finds themselves in it they have no one to blame but themselves. That judgement is described in Revelation.
Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Ro 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Ro 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath
Ro 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Col 3:6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation (as in deliverance) by (not through) our Lord Jesus Christ,
Sometimes I wonder how many times and in how many ways and in how many years God would say the same thing before someone would just believe him?
The day of the Lord is future in all prophecies and his wrath is coming, but in Revelation, John said his wrath is come, present tense. read for yourself.
Re 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
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For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
These things were future when John wrote the book of Revelation, so it is important to solidify when that letter was written. That's why I asked why you believe it was written in 94 AD.
Why do you believe that 2 Peter is 67 AD?
I do not see this as a necessary, or even reasonable conclusion. What I mean by that is that there is nothing in the text of the scriptures, old or new testament, that requires this as an interpretation. God is not bound by time.
God is bound by his word and he created time. We cannot operate in this world without it. Therefore, all his time frames must follow a consistent pattern for things to make sense for us. And they do if one will believe the words of scriptures.
There is no limitation to God in some kind of super-time where God sees things only for a thousand years for every day that we see.
Well, you are in disagreement with him and not me because he says here.
Ps 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
First and second Peter were written to those whom the prophet Hosea addressed and "not my people." This is the fulfillment of the prophecy that they would be called the "children of the living God." The operative word here is children. This requires a new birth and if you compare this to these strangers to whom his epistles were addressed, you will see that Paul was on the same wave length in Romans 9 when he quoted Hosea in this very context of a new birth of the sons of Abraham before they could be sons of God. Some scriptures are ethnically specific in their application and cannot be understood correctly unless this is understood and acknowledged. NT revelation is dependent upon OT words, symbols, types, and figures.
Matt 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe [which is] instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man [that is] an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure [things] new and old.
I am out of time and if there are spellings errors and other writing mistakes it is because I have no time for review and correction before posting.
