Johnnybgood
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Spiritual awareness . So much for the dead meaning in CalvinismWhat was the rich mans answer?
Spiritual awareness . So much for the dead meaning in CalvinismWhat was the rich mans answer?
I did not see any question in the OP. What is your question?Questions are not answers. The conflating never stops with “ some “ calvies . Just more of the same calvie talk.
Oy vey. That's too funny.The teaching below by Jesus about the deadshow Calvinism to be false and how they conflate the biblical reality of dead below from Lukes gospel . Look at all the things both Lazarus and the rich man understood about spiritual things . So much for calvie talk .
Luke 16
There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.(A) 20 At his gate was laid a beggar(B)named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table.(C) Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham,(D) have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’(E)
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things,(F)but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.(G) 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them,(H) so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses(I) and the Prophets;(J) let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’(K) he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
These should doOy vey. That's too funny.
Misunderstand / misuse Scripture, much?![]()
The rich man understood spiritual things, did he? I don't think so...The teaching below by Jesus about the deadshow Calvinism to be false and how they conflate the biblical reality of dead below from Lukes gospel . Look at all the things both Lazarus and the rich man understood about spiritual things . So much for calvie talk .
Luke 16
There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.(A) 20 At his gate was laid a beggar(B)named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table.(C) Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham,(D) have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’(E)
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things,(F)but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.(G) 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them,(H) so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses(I) and the Prophets;(J) let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’(K) he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
What makes you think those who die physically cannot understand anymore when they are face to face with the Spiritual?The teaching below by Jesus about the deadshow Calvinism to be false and how they conflate the biblical reality of dead below from Lukes gospel . Look at all the things both Lazarus and the rich man understood about spiritual things . So much for calvie talk .
Luke 16
There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.(A) 20 At his gate was laid a beggar(B)named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table.(C) Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham,(D) have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’(E)
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things,(F)but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.(G) 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them,(H) so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses(I) and the Prophets;(J) let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’(K) he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
Is it your claim that "Calvinists" are not Christian...I have heard lots of professing Christians say things that contradict the Bible. This just proves that there are false Calvinists as well as false Christians.
Amen. He is one to bring up conflating. LolWhat makes you think those who die physically cannot understand anymore when they are face to face with the Spiritual?
Heb_9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
who on earth claimed that the rich man was still spiritually dead, when his spirit found itself in hades.
The claim is spiritually dead people who are still physically alive do not have a clue spiritually because their spirit has not been born again or made alive in Christ.
So why you have to make stuff up is beyond me. Seems like you just like to do it in general?
The rich man understood spiritual things, did he? I don't think so...
He knew what he was experiencing, which took no spiritual insight whatever; but, the one thing in this passage that did take spiritual insight, he got completely wrong. He thought that, if Lazarus went to his family, to warn them, they would repent at this miracle; but, Abraham tells him that if people do not heed the Bible, then they will not listen to someone, even if he has risen from the dead.
Exactly what is new Calvinism?I think New Calvinism is on the rise...
Another silly thread?The teaching below by Jesus about the deadshow Calvinism to be false and how they conflate the biblical reality of dead below from Lukes gospel . Look at all the things both Lazarus and the rich man understood about spiritual things . So much for calvie talk .
Luke 16
There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.(A) 20 At his gate was laid a beggar(B)named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table.(C) Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham,(D) have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’(E)
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things,(F)but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.(G) 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them,(H) so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses(I) and the Prophets;(J) let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’(K) he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
Well that’s just it, he doesn’t understand Calvinism.I have never heard of any Calvinist who teaches this and it is not part of the five points of Calvinism. Your statement makes me wonder is you even know what Calvinism is. If you want to understand it I suggest you look here:
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What is Calvinism?
Calvinism stresses the sovereignty of God, election, predestination, Jesus' dying only for the predestined ones, and salvation cannot be lost.carm.org
What is this new Calvinism and what are the main beliefs?I think New Calvinism is on the rise...
Old Calvinism becoming popularExactly what is new Calvinism?
Your not RV.Old Calvinism becoming popular
The spiritually dead do not understand spiritual truth. This is biblical.It’s pretty clear what Jesus taught about those who are dead, died . Why can’t we let the Bible speak for itself without bringing a certain doctrinal position into the conversation?
Do you agree or disagree with Jesus above teaching that the dead understand spiritual truth ?
Why would the rich dead man be pleading for his “ spiritual dead “ family on earth ?
That was not an attackYour not RV.
But I understand the pressure, got to attack Calvinism.![]()
No it is notThe spiritually dead do not understand spiritual truth. This is biblical.
The rich man pleaded for his physical family on earth because he didn't want them to suffer as he was suffering, no doubt having been told that he was in the tormenting part of Hades, due to his sin and unbelief.