The devil made me do it oh boy I have an excuse !

preacher4truth

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God stirred them; it does not state God decreed them.

You are now equating 'stir' with 'decree'.
IOW you won't answer and revert to your asininity.

To what end did He stir them?

You're afraid to answer, but then truth isn't for the lily livered yellow bellied, so they won't face it.

If not, then answer the question.
 

SovereignGrace

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God's covenant with Israel was to be a blessing to the Gentiles; nothing unfair about that.
Yet they had no high priest to intercede for them before God, they had no covenant with God, they had no prophet who spoke to them as they did Israel. God justly cut them off, left them justly condemned in Adam.
 

SovereignGrace

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So perhaps he understands that God set it up so that Absalom was killed as per 2 Samuel 17:14?
Then Absalom and all the men of Israel said, “The counsel of Hushai the Archite is better than the counsel of Ahithophel.” For the Lord had ordained to thwart the good counsel of Ahithophel, so that the Lord might bring calamity on Absalom.[2 Samuel 17:14]

#HowRudeOfHim
#SaysTheNonCalvinists
#Romans920
 

Ken Hamrick

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Demonically forced sin is still a transgression of the law and receives penalty.

But it's just fake religion and self-righteous thinking that wants to act like demons aren't really capable of bondage.

Then these same people on this forum hypocritically turn around and claim people that disagree with them are under the power of "spiritual strongholds."

Only the devil could think something that twisted up.
If a demon possesses a person and forces them to do sinful things, it is the demon alone who sins. The possessed sinner, already guilty of sin and unbelief, is condemned already for what he has responsibly done prior to possession. But the real issue in this case is whether sin be defined in ways that extend beyond the will. Of course, if the possessed sinner is not forced but desires to do what the demon causes him to do, then both sin.
 

preacher4truth

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Then Absalom and all the men of Israel said, “The counsel of Hushai the Archite is better than the counsel of Ahithophel.” For the Lord had ordained to thwart the good counsel of Ahithophel, so that the Lord might bring calamity on Absalom.[2 Samuel 17:14]

#HowRudeOfHim
#SaysTheNonCalvinists
#Romans920
Oh, the things they never taught us in Sunday School!
 

Dizerner

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If a demon possesses a person and forces them to do sinful things, it is the demon alone who sins. The possessed sinner, already guilty of sin and unbelief, is condemned already for what he has responsibly done prior to possession. But the real issue in this case is whether sin be defined in ways that extend beyond the will. Of course, if the possessed sinner is not forced but desires to do what the demon causes him to do, then both sin.

Well, at least you admit possession, Edit divisive content.
 
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preacher4truth

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#YouCannotTeachWhatYouDoNotKnow
Hopefully, we can stand like Paul and be able to say, like him, we did not shrink from declaring the whole counsel of God; Acts 20:27.

I know a local pastor here who has declared he will not preach certain things to his people, one is he refuses to teach them from Jude. He is an SBC pastor.
 

Ken Hamrick

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Well, at least you admit possession, that's more Christian than others here.
But can you or anyone else prove that God "decreeing" Adam's sin somehow made him sin in a way that did not involve his will? If it did involve Adam's will, then he is guilty. Objections that he was not free in the decision are merely attempts to pull God down to man's level and demands for equality with God in deciding the destiny.
 

PeanutGallery

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Yet they had no high priest to intercede for them before God, they had no covenant with God, they had no prophet who spoke to them as they did Israel. God justly cut them off, left them justly condemned in Adam.
God gave them no covenant, no prophet; then justly cut them off for doing exactly what God decreed them to do; not scriptural.
God choose Israel to be a blessing to the Gentiles.
 

PeanutGallery

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God gave them no covenant, no prophet; then justly cut them off for doing exactly what God decreed them to do; not scriptural.
Prove it !
Proof #1:
Yet they had no high priest to intercede for them before God, they had no covenant with God, they had no prophet who spoke to them as they did Israel.
Proof #2
God justly cut them off, left them justly condemned in Adam.
...
God has decreed whatsoever comes to pass.
 

Dizerner

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Sethproton

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Demonically forced sin is still a transgression of the law and receives penalty.

But it's just fake religion and self-righteous thinking that wants to act like demons aren't really capable of bondage.

Then these same people on this forum hypocritically turn around and claim people that disagree with them are under the power of "spiritual strongholds."

Only the devil could think something that twisted up.
just a side note about strongholds.

Intentionally divisive. Speak to the issues, not other people.
 
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Dizerner

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I could not say for sure, Biblically, but one clue is that Satan was corrupted because of his own brightness. His pride rose up because of who and what he thought he was.

One prayer is worth a thousand posts. I daily pray they see.
 
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