The End Times . . . .

[balshan]

James Martyr had a premill concept:

was one of the first Christian writers to clearly describe himself as continuing in the “Jewish” belief of a temporary messianic kingdom prior to the eternal state...Irenaeus an outspoken premillennialist.

Premillennialism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not really a recent concept at all. Do we need to go through the history of your so called isms to prove they have been around for ages.

 

[Maxtar]

just because you didn't hear of it / know of it until he wrote that book doesn't mean that believers didn't know about it. There's much that catholics don't know or hear about because the RCC doesn't teach the truth of scripture. It teaches very little that is found in scripture.

What's the point about it all anyway as we live our present lives? If it happens it happens and that is that and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It actually could be symbolic like many things in the scriptures happen to be.

 

[Maxtar]

here's your post -

So which one do you believe, premillennial, postmillennial, mid-tribulational, or amillennial?

 

[Maxtar]

Not really a recent concept at all. Do we need to go through the history of your so called isms to prove they have been around for ages.

Around for ages but not played up (as I pointed out). Just like the "born again" thing. We didn't hear about it for eons, then suddenly it's the gospel and you've got the correct explanation, right?

 

[balshan]

Around for ages but not played up (as I pointed out). Just like the "born again" thing. We didn't hear about it for eons, then suddenly it's the gospel and you've got the correct explanation, right?

I would never call it the gospel, but you did. Interesting. It enforces the belief that RCs do not know the gospel message. People have always discussed it throughout the ages. Jewish people send weeks discussing one word in scripture, it is not a problem that people discuss end times and talk about the things of God. I see no harm.

But the false doctrines and claims of the RCC cause harm.

 

[Maxtar]

I would never call it the gospel, but you did. Interesting. It enforces the belief that RCs do not know the gospel message. People have always discussed it throughout the ages. Jewish people send weeks discussing one word in scripture, it is not a problem that people discuss end times and talk about the things of God. I see no harm.

But the false doctrines and claims of the RCC cause harm.

So which one do you believe - premillennial, postmillennial, mid-tribulational, or amillennial?

 

[mica]

Around for ages but not played up (as I pointed out). Just like the "born again" thing. We didn't hear about it for eons, then suddenly it's the gospel and you've got the correct explanation, right?

catholics didn't hear about it because the RCC doesn't teach the truth of scripture. It teaches very little that is found in scripture. we were told we couldn't go to other churches (nonC) and told we didn't need to read the bible. the RCC kept a tight grip on what people heard and learned and put a threat of mortal sin on it if we did venture out to find out what was actual being taught outside of the RCC. We also didn't have TV ministries available 24/7 where people could learn what was being taught in nonC churches.

It's right there in scripture... so why didn't you know about it? catholics are always claiming how much scripture and teaching they get at a Mass. They actually get very, very little, and most of that little bit isn't the truth.

 

[balshan]

So which one do you believe - premillennial, postmillennial, mid-tribulational, or amillennial?

You don't state what you believe on the matter, is that because you have never looked into it. I have done a course on studying eschatology I can find some truth in all views. I have a preference but I am trusting Jesus.

 

[mica]

You don't state what you believe on the matter, is that because you have never looked into it. I have done a course on studying eschatology I can find some truth in all views. I have a preference but I am trusting Jesus.

same here. I tend to be pre... but, I learned a long time back that it will be His way and in His timing, not mine. And I'm ok with that.

 

[balshan]

same here. I tend to be pre... but, I learned a long time back that it will be His way and in His timing, not mine. And I'm ok with that.

I agree. No one wants to be like the Jewish people who missed Jesus because they believed the Messiah would come one way only. I believe we just trust Jesus, and the rest is an interesting discussion. God knew we would enjoy the discussions. But none are a false view because truth can be found in them, unlike the PV doctrine which is a load of rubbish.

 

[leonard03782]

So which one do you believe - premillennial, postmillennial, mid-tribulational, or amillennial?

You obviously have no idea nor have you investigated what we believe. If you had, you would know that one of the items that you mentioned does not fit with the others in the set that you asked about.

 

[Maxtar]

catholics didn't hear about it because the RCC doesn't teach the truth of scripture. It teaches very little that is found in scripture.

Your constant refrain has no merit. We believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and thus eternal life. We believe so much in this that that moment of Calvary is the focal point of our worship, just like Jesus commanded us to do. This is quite unlike you folks who virtually have eliminated it from your worship service. Our Holy Mass IS the scriptures come alive from beginning to end. We worship Jesus Christ - not the book that holds His story.

 

[leonard03782]

Around for ages but not played up (as I pointed out). Just like the "born again" thing. We didn't hear about it for eons, then suddenly it's the gospel and you've got the correct explanation, right?

For 1900 years, there was really no need to emphasize the rapture of the church on a continuing basis like it is today. That is because Israel was scattered to the four corners of the earth. Now that prophecy has been fulfilled that Israel will return to her own land, it is clear that we are now in the last days and the tribulation period is casting long shadows over the world as we speak. We are looking up because our redemption is drawing closer now than it ever has.

 

[Maxtar]

For 1900 years, there was really no need to emphasize the rapture of the church on a continuing basis like it is today. That is because Israel was scattered to the four corners of the earth. Now that prophecy has been fulfilled that Israel will return to her own land, it is clear that we are now in the last days and the tribulation period is casting long shadows over the world as we speak. We are looking up because our redemption is drawing closer now than it ever has.

We still do not know the time all this will happen, so all you have is speculation. Brother Campy (and others) got the end time wrong so many times it isn't even funny.

 

[leonard03782]

We still do not know the time all this will happen, so all you have is speculation. Brother Campy (and others) got the end time wrong so many times it isn't even funny.

You are right, we do not know the day nor the hour of his return. We can, however, know the season of HIS return.

 

[4Him]

Yes, I know and I don't deny what it says. What I meant about the words I used earlier ("making things up") was all the things that people came up with what I cited in my previous post. (the ism's)

this is what you said.....

The "end times" and the "rapture" is just another one of those evangelical ides that wasn't in vogue until the 1970's, brought to the fore by writer Hal Lindsay. It is just another false doctrine by you folks.

You're wrong.

 

[mica]

mica said:
catholics didn't hear about it because the RCC doesn't teach the truth of scripture. It teaches very little that is found in scripture.

Your constant refrain has no merit.

Sure it does. catholics are just blind to it. they're deceived by the RCC teachings.

We believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and thus eternal life.

yes, in words only. you have the words memorized. BUT your hearts know nothing of it.

We believe so much in this that that moment of Calvary is the focal point of our worship, just like Jesus commanded us to do.

so much so that catholics still have Him dead on the cross...

Where did He command that you worship the cross? post the verse.

This is quite unlike you folks who virtually have eliminated it from your worship service.

Evidently you've never been to a believer's worship service. you can see some of them online, on tv etc. or check out one in your local area.

Our Holy Mass IS the scriptures come alive from beginning to end.

your Mass isn't holy at all. nor is it 'alive' with scripture at any point. There is no presence of the Holy Spirit in it.

We worship Jesus Christ - not the book that holds His story.

no, catholics worship the RCC and Mary.

believers don't worship a book, but we do thirst for more knowledge of Him, which is found in His word. that you don't spend time in scripture (His story for us) shows in your lack of knowledge of it and in your belief in what the RCC teaches. He gave it to us, He had it all written out for us (inspired by the Holy Spirit), so how can you say you worship Him while ignoring His words ?

He gave us a map to life in and with Him, but catholics follow the RCC detour signs instead of His map.

 

[Maxtar]

this is what you said.....

The "end times" and the "rapture" is just another one of those evangelical ides that wasn't in vogue until the 1970's, brought to the fore by writer Hal Lindsay. It is just another false doctrine by you folks.

You're wrong.

I clarified what I said earlier. If you won't accept my clarification that is your perogative.

 

[mica]

We still do not know the time all this will happen, so all you have is speculation. Brother Campy (and others) got the end time wrong so many times it isn't even funny.

that is scriptural. do you think we should know?

 

[4Him]

I clarified what I said earlier. If you won't accept my clarification that is your perogative.

You clarified because you got called out for what you ACTUALLY said, and no doubt meant...which is that "it's just another false doctrine by you folks"