The essence of the facts

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The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek,” Psalm 110:1-4 , Hebrews 5:9-11
[having neither beginning of days nor end of life].

From the beginning, A glorious high throne is the place of our sanctuary. Jeremiah 17:12-13 Isaiah 6:1

And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him “The Lord has sworn And will not relent, ‘You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek’ " by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant. Heb 7

God sent the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, to announce that God is one (the Father)

God says in the Quran surah Najm aya 19:23 Have you, O idolaters, seen these idols that you worship besides Allah:
Allah did not reveal any proof for them.
The idolaters do not follow in their belief except assumption ...

Where do you assume Allah took Muhammad to show him a sign?

Surah 17.1 “Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs;

The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined by the Rules of Evidence,

The "essence of the facts" is that Islam relies on the testimony of one individual and leaves them speculating that this "farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless" that Muhammad and his buraq went to in his mysterious night journey was the Masjid al-Aqsa. However, according to historical account, Muhammad died 60 years before the al-Aqsa was built. Others assume it could actually be referring to the temple of Jerusalem which was destroyed by the Roman in 70 AD.


If the foundation is destroyed, what can those who are righteous accomplish?
The Lord is in His holy temple; The Lord’s throne is in heaven; Ps. 11:3-4

But the Lord has prepared His throne for judgment. He shall judge the world in righteousness, Ps 9:7-8
For when Your judgments are in the earth, then people will understand righteousness. Isa 26:9

So I have looked for You in the sanctuary, To see Your power and Your glory. Ps 63:2
Majesty and glory surround him; strength and splendor is seen in his ·sanctuary. Psalm 96:6

It is the Lord of hosts whom you are to regard as holy and awesome.
He shall be a Sanctuary for those who trust in Him; Isa. 8:13-14
We are for signs and wonders in Israel From the Lord of hosts, Isa. 8:18
Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Psalm 149:2, Ps. 2:6
See, I lay in Zion, A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; Isa 28:16 Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone.

 

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The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek,” Psalm 110:1-4 , Hebrews 5:9-11
[having neither beginning of days nor end of life].

From the beginning, A glorious high throne is the place of our sanctuary. Jeremiah 17:12-13 Isaiah 6:1

And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him “The Lord has sworn And will not relent, ‘You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek’ " by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant. Heb 7

God sent the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, to announce that God is one (the Father)

God says in the Quran surah Najm aya 19:23 Have you, O idolaters, seen these idols that you worship besides Allah:
Allah did not reveal any proof for them.
The idolaters do not follow in their belief except assumption ...

Where do you assume Allah took Muhammad to show him a sign?

Surah 17.1 “Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs;

The Testimony of the Evangelists: The Gospels Examined by the Rules of Evidence,

The "essence of the facts" is that Islam relies on the testimony of one individual and leaves them speculating that this "farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless" that Muhammad and his buraq went to in his mysterious night journey was the Masjid al-Aqsa. However, according to historical account, Muhammad died 60 years before the al-Aqsa was built. Others assume it could actually be referring to the temple of Jerusalem which was destroyed by the Roman in 70 AD. [*reference-faith browser . com]

If the foundation is destroyed, what can the righteous accomplish?
The Lord is in His holy temple; The Lord’s throne is in heaven; Ps. 11:3-4

So I have looked for You in the sanctuary, To see Your power and Your glory. Ps 63:2
Majesty and glory surround him; strength and splendor is seen in his ·sanctuary. Psalm 96:6

But the Lord has prepared His throne for judgment. He shall judge the world in righteousness, Ps 9:7-8
For when Your judgments are in the earth, then people will understand righteousness. Isa 26:9

It is the Lord of hosts whom you are to regard as holy and awesome.
He shall be a Sanctuary for those who trust in Him; Isa. 8:13-14
We are for signs and wonders in Israel From the Lord of hosts, Isa. 8:18
Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Psalm 149:2, Ps. 2:6-7
See, I lay in Zion, A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; Isa 28:16 Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone.

 

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Hebrews 5:6
And in another part of the Scriptures God says, “You are a priest forever— the kind of priest Melchizedek was.”

Hebrews 5:10
God made him high priest, just like Melchizedek.

Hebrews 6:20
Jesus has already entered there and opened the way for us. He has become the high priest forever, just like Melchizedek.

Those verses are just saying Jesus was LIKE Melchizedek. They're not saying Jesus was actually Melchizedek, as claimed by that other forum member, "Isaac".

 

[isaac]

The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek,” Psalm 110:1-4 , Hebrews 5:9-11
[having neither beginning of days nor end of life].

From the beginning, A glorious high throne is the place of our sanctuary. Jeremiah 17:12-13 Isaiah 6:1

And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him “The Lord has sworn And will not relent, ‘You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek’ " by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant. Heb 7

Those verses are just saying Jesus was LIKE Melchizedek. They're not saying Jesus was actually Melchizedek, as claimed by that other forum member, "Isaac".

It's referred to as the testimony of Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:5-6

For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham and blessed him, to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest forever. Heb 7:1-3

Because Jesus remains forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save forever those who come to God through him, Heb 7:24-25

The oath appointed the Son, Heb 7:28

Who became the source of eternal salvation [to those of the faith of Abraham] appointed by God to be a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek. Heb 5:9-10

Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath.

And so we have this sure and steadfast anchor for the soul. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek. Heb 6:13-20

Be assured, then, that those who live by faith are children of Abraham. Galatians 3:7
So that the blessing given to Abraham would also come to the nations through faith in Christ Jesus; Gal 3:14

 

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Those verses are just saying Jesus was LIKE Melchizedek. They're not saying Jesus was actually Melchizedek, as claimed by that other forum member, "Isaac".

Hebrews 5:6
And in another part of the Scriptures God says, “You are a priest forever— the kind of priest Melchizedek was.”


Hebrews 6:20
Jesus has already entered there and opened the way for us. He has become the high priest forever, just like Melchizedek.


Hebrews 7:3
No one knows who his father or mother was or where he came from. And no one knows when he was born or when he died. Melchizedek is like the Son of God in that he will always be a priest.

Hebrews 7:11
The people were given the law under the system of priests from the tribe of Levi. But no one could be made spiritually perfect through that system of priests. So there was a need for another priest to come. I mean a priest like Melchizedek, not Aaron.

Hebrews 7:15
Jesus Is a Priest Like Melchizedek
And these things become even clearer when we see that another priest has come who is like Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7:17
This is what the Scriptures say about him: “You are a priest forever—the kind of priest Melchizedek was.”
Hebrews clearly says “You are a priest forever—the kind of priest Melchizedek was.”

Melchizedek was a type or appearance of the Son of God in the Hebrew scriptures. Jesus was the fulfillment. Jesus is the Son of God.

 

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Messiah ben Joseph: The Peaceful Reign of the Messiah
Messiah ben David: The Powerful Reign of the Messiah
In response to these two seemingly opposite pictures of Messiah, some rabbis decided that there must be two messiahs, the Messiah ben Joseph, who would come and suffer, and the Messiah ben David, who would come as a conquering king.

Messiah ben Yosef: Joseph as a Type of Messiah

Mashiach ben Yosef: Sixty Ways that Joseph Pictures the Messiah Yeshua.

hebrew4christians.com

All perfect praise be to Allah, The Lord of the worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) is His slave and Messenger.




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the Masjid al-Aqsa has been around since ancient times

What is meant by the mosque is the whole square and was known as Bayt Al-Maqdis

And the Noble Qur’an is the first to call it the Masjid al-Aqsa

As for the construction inside the yard, it was built and demolished many times

And the ancient prophets like David and Solomon used to pray there

Once again, what is meant by the Masjid al-Aqsa
is the entire square and not the building that is today called the the Masjid al-Aqsa

As for the dome, it was built by the Umayyads on a rock that was said to be the noble Messenger, who ascended to the heavens above it,









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Joseph was not the father of Christ. This is a slander, a lie, and a distortion of the Bible


As I said, Jesus, the son of Mary, is a prophet of God, created by God as a divine miracle through the power of the Father alone

When God (the Father) ordered Gabriel, peace be upon him, to blow on Mary’s dress, she became pregnant, God willing. (The Father)

The Holy Spirit (Gabriel) does not have the power alone to do anything because he is not a god, he is an angel

Mary was never married to the Father, the Holy Spirit, or any human being


Christ is never equal to the Father

The Holy Spirit is not equal to the Father

The miracles of Christ were granted by God (the Father) to Christ

Christ cannot perform these miracles alone without the Father’s permission

Christ says

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.◄ John 5:30 ►


The text is clear, Christ cannot do anything on his own, why?? Because he is waiting for an order from the father who sent him


Jesus was only a prophet of God

The Holy Spirit is the angel who transmits revelation to the prophets

God (the Father) only


Do not believe the myths of the Church and oppose the true statements of Christ in which he restricted divinity to the Father alone

3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3


see here

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=316951581162029

 

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1. Bible Says that God is not Man The Bible says: Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man…” Hosea 11:9 “...For I am God, and not man...” Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible: John 8:40 “…a man who has told you the truth…” Acts 2:22 “Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.” Acts 17:31 “He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed” 1. Tim. 2:5 “…the man Christ Jesus.” God is not a man, but Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, was a man, therefore, Jesus was not God. 2. The Bible Says that God Is Not a Son of Man Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man...nor a son of man…” The Bible often calls Jesus “a son of man” or “the son of man.” Matthew 12:40 “…so will the son of man be…” Matthew 16:27 “For the son of man is going to come…” Matthew 28 “…until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.” Mark 2:10 “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority…” John 5:27 “…because He is the son of man.” In the Hebrew Scriptures, the “son of man” is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6; 2:8; 3:1; 3:3; 3:4; 3:10; 3:17; 3:25). Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called “the son of man”, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called “son of man” specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a “son of man” according to the Bible. 3. The Bible Says that Jesus Denied He is God Luke 18:19 Jesus spoke to a man who had called him “good,” asking him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” Matthew 19:17 And he said to him, “Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Jesus did not teach people that he was God. If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God. 4. The Bible Says that God is Greater than Jesus John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.” John 10:29 “My father is greater than all.” Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus. 5. Jesus Never Instructed His Disciples to Worship Himself or the Holy Ghost, but God and God Only Luke 11:2 “When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.” John 16:23 “In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.” John 4:23 “The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself. Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God. 6. The Bible Says that Jesus Recognized, Prayed, & Worshipped the Only True God Jesus prayed to God with the words: John 17:3 “…that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” Jesus prayed to God all night: Luke 6:12 “he continued all night in prayer to God.” …because: Matthew 20:28: Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve. How did Jesus pray to God? Matthew 26:39 ‘…he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father…” Even Paul said: Hebrews 5:7 “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.” Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face with loud cries and petitions? Was it himself? Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to “the only true God.” Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God? The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God: “Truly, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (alone). This is the straight path.” (Quran 3:51 Sheikh Ahmed Deedat vs Sjoberg - Is Jesus God? [Debate] عباس ومسيحي منفعل آخر| Abbas & Another Emotional Christian اسكت! _ مسلم عملاق يزلزل ثلاثة أشخاص ~ محمد حجاب ~ Speaker's corner What does “Son of God” mean in the first place? No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage. Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks. many scholars conclude that “Son of God” is metaphorical and, as with christos, doesn’t imply exclusivity. After all, The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion confirms that in Jewish idiom “Son of God” is clearly metaphorical. To quote, “Son of God, term occasionally found in Jewish literature, biblical and post-biblical, but nowhere implying physical descent from the Godhead.” And in any case, the list of candidates for “son of God” begins with Adam, as per Luke 3:38: “...Adam, which was the son of God.” Those who rebut by quoting Matthew 3:17 (“And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, ‘This is My beloved son, in whom I am well pleased’”) have overlooked the point that the Bible describes many people, Israel and Adam included, as “sons of God.” Both II Samuel 7:13-14 and I Chronicles 22:10 read, “He (Solomon) shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his Father, and he shall be My son.” Entire nations are referred to as sons, or children of God. Examples include: Genesis 6:2, “That the sons of God saw the daughters of men…” Why Jesus is not Son of God? - Dr. Zakir Naik - Questioner accepts Islam أقوى 8 أسباب تنفي كون المسيح ابن الله | د. لورنس براون

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The Non-believers in Mecca rejected to believe Prophet's Meraj: If it was just a dream than Meccans would have believed but they said it's a month long journey how did Muhammad(ﷺ) completed it in a small phase of night!

Any witness?

1.Meccans knew that Prophet( ﷺ) has never before visited Al-Aqsa. So, they asked him questions regarding Al-Aqsa. And He( ﷺ) gave all answers perfectly. It was impossible to answer it if he (ﷺ) had never visited it.

2.He (ﷺ) also said Meccans about the traders, where they had camped last night and many more. Hence, when this traders returned back, the Meccans asked them that did they camped at so and so place at so and so time? The traders shockingly answered, “How did you know?”.

These are among many other witnesses of Prophet Muhammadﷺ)'s holy journey from Mecca to Al-Aqsa and than to the 7 heavens.
One of the main lessons from this miracle event is that space and time are not subject to the laws of nature for humans.

All religious traditions share the concept of miracles, that is, something that defies logic, nature or established constitution and the course of events.


Allah's legitimate miracles, which are by definition the only true miracles. When the forces of unbelief are strong, the prophetic miracles opposed to them are usually stronger.

The prophet Moses had several miracles, Moses' wand turned into a serpent
By order of God

By command of God Likewise, the Prophet Jesus even had the power Revive the Dead in order to establish his legitimacy before the Jews who would ultimately condemn him to death. Nevertheless, his miracles were undeniable by their nature, and it was only the stubbornness and arrogance of the people to whom he was sent


. He performed miracles (speaking as an infant, making a clay bird come alive, healing the blind and the lepers, etc.)

Why marvel at the miracles of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him!

Miracles that he performed were all done with God's power. Moses did similar things, as did some of the apostles. We don't need to imitate that

allah, the Creator of the wonderful universe,
capable of all something, in earth and in heaven,
if he wants do something , be so!


- The miraculous creatures are filled with your book, so why object to what is stated in the books of others?

2 Kings 2:11 New International Version (NIV)

11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad are the prophets of God, peace be upon them. God (the Father) granted them miracles. They cannot perform these miracles without God’s command.

Ana Asks Dr Zakir, “Are the Miracles of Jesus (pbuh) Greater than the Miracles of Muhammad (pbuh)?”

Al Quran the Miracle of Miracles - Dr Zakir Naik

 

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Christ is never equal to the Father
The Holy Spirit is not equal to the Father

As I said, Jesus, the son of Mary, is a prophet of God, created by God as a divine miracle through the power of the Father alone

Jesus was only a prophet of God

That is precisely why Jesus is the Son of God.
The rest of mankind was born of a human father.
The Jewish religious Pharisees rejected this very thing
and crucified him, but as it says in Acts 3:15-20
But you killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from
the dead, of which we are witnesses.

Acts 10:43-44 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His
name, whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins; and
the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard [accepted] the word.

Romans 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have
peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[akay]

Acts of the Apostles is historically unreliable


Acts rates quite poorly for historical accuracy. Luke-Acts contains many sayings attributed to Jesus, Peter and Paul but, in the absence of recording devices, these could not be verbatim transcripts.



Like many New Testament books, Acts was written anonymously and originally had no title. The title “Acts of the Apostles” isn’t used until decades after the book was written. Unfortunately, this means that we don’t know the individual who wrote it


Traditionally, Luke-Acts was ascribed to Luke, a companion of Paul mentioned in one of Paul’s undisputed letters (Philemon 1:24). He is also mentioned in Colossians 4:14 and 2 Timothy 4:11, two letters Paul probably didn’t write.

the Paul of Acts and the Paul of the undisputed letters appear to be two different people. The author of Acts clearly admires Paul, but he seems not to really know Paul

there is no evidence for the stories in Acts of the Apostles. Bart D. Ehrman says, in Forged:

At just about every point where it is possible to check what Acts says about Paul with what Paul says about himself in his authentic letters, there are discrepancies.


Bart Ehrman on the Book of Acts

American priest converts to Islam and shocks the Christian West

Refusal to swear on the Bible.. The first Muslim American police chief takes the oath on the Holy Quran

 

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1. Bible Says that God is not Man The Bible says: Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man…” Hosea 11:9 “...For I am God, and not man...” Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible: John 8:40 “…a man who has told you the truth…” Acts 2:22 “Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.” Acts 17:31 “He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed” 1. Tim. 2:5 “…the man Christ Jesus.” God is not a man, but Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, was a man, therefore, Jesus was not God. 2. The Bible Says that God Is Not a Son of Man Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man...nor a son of man…” The Bible often calls Jesus “a son of man” or “the son of man.” Matthew 12:40 “…so will the son of man be…” Matthew 16:27 “For the son of man is going to come…” Matthew 28 “…until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.” Mark 2:10 “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority…” John 5:27 “…because He is the son of man.” In the Hebrew Scriptures, the “son of man” is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6; 2:8; 3:1; 3:3; 3:4; 3:10; 3:17; 3:25). Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called “the son of man”, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called “son of man” specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a “son of man” according to the Bible. 3. The Bible Says that Jesus Denied He is God Luke 18:19 Jesus spoke to a man who had called him “good,” asking him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” Matthew 19:17 And he said to him, “Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Jesus did not teach people that he was God. If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God. 4. The Bible Says that God is Greater than Jesus John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.” John 10:29 “My father is greater than all.” Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus. 5. Jesus Never Instructed His Disciples to Worship Himself or the Holy Ghost, but God and God Only Luke 11:2 “When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.” John 16:23 “In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.” John 4:23 “The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself. Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God. 6. The Bible Says that Jesus Recognized, Prayed, & Worshipped the Only True God Jesus prayed to God with the words: John 17:3 “…that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” Jesus prayed to God all night: Luke 6:12 “he continued all night in prayer to God.” …because: Matthew 20:28: Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve. How did Jesus pray to God? Matthew 26:39 ‘…he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father…” Even Paul said: Hebrews 5:7 “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.” Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face with loud cries and petitions? Was it himself? Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to “the only true God.” Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God? The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God: “Truly, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (alone). This is the straight path.” (Quran 3:51 Sheikh Ahmed Deedat vs Sjoberg - Is Jesus God? [Debate] عباس ومسيحي منفعل آخر| Abbas & Another Emotional Christian اسكت! _ مسلم عملاق يزلزل ثلاثة أشخاص ~ محمد حجاب ~ Speaker's corner What does “Son of God” mean in the first place? No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage. Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks. many scholars conclude that “Son of God” is metaphorical and, as with christos, doesn’t imply exclusivity. After all, The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion confirms that in Jewish idiom “Son of God” is clearly metaphorical. To quote, “Son of God, term occasionally found in Jewish literature, biblical and post-biblical, but nowhere implying physical descent from the Godhead.” And in any case, the list of candidates for “son of God” begins with Adam, as per Luke 3:38: “...Adam, which was the son of God.” Those who rebut by quoting Matthew 3:17 (“And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, ‘This is My beloved son, in whom I am well pleased’”) have overlooked the point that the Bible describes many people, Israel and Adam included, as “sons of God.” Both II Samuel 7:13-14 and I Chronicles 22:10 read, “He (Solomon) shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his Father, and he shall be My son.” Entire nations are referred to as sons, or children of God. Examples include: Genesis 6:2, “That the sons of God saw the daughters of men…” Why Jesus is not Son of God? - Dr. Zakir Naik - Questioner accepts Islam أقوى 8 أسباب تنفي كون المسيح ابن الله | د. لورنس براون

I know you used this one out of context. Numbers 23:19 New International Version ​ 19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

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Acts of the Apostles is historically unreliable


Acts rates quite poorly for historical accuracy. Luke-Acts contains many sayings attributed to Jesus, Peter and Paul but, in the absence of recording devices, these could not be verbatim transcripts.



Like many New Testament books, Acts was written anonymously and originally had no title. The title “Acts of the Apostles” isn’t used until decades after the book was written. Unfortunately, this means that we don’t know the individual who wrote it


Traditionally, Luke-Acts was ascribed to Luke, a companion of Paul mentioned in one of Paul’s undisputed letters (Philemon 1:24). He is also mentioned in Colossians 4:14 and 2 Timothy 4:11, two letters Paul probably didn’t write.

the Paul of Acts and the Paul of the undisputed letters appear to be two different people. The author of Acts clearly admires Paul, but he seems not to really know Paul

there is no evidence for the stories in Acts of the Apostles. Bart D. Ehrman says, in Forged:

At just about every point where it is possible to check what Acts says about Paul with what Paul says about himself in his authentic letters, there are discrepancies.


Bart Ehrman on the Book of Acts

American priest converts to Islam and shocks the Christian West

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"Acts of the Apostles is historically unreliable"

 

[isaac]

Acts of the Apostles is historically unreliable

At just about every point where it is possible to check what Acts says about Paul with what Paul says about himself in his authentic letters, there are discrepancies.

And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Acts 4:33

And they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Messiah. Acts 5:42

What God promised He has fulfilled ...Acts 13:32-34

Therefore, having obtained help from God, to this day I stand, witnessing both to small and great, saying no other things than those which the prophets and Moses said would come— that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.” Acts 26:22-23


Christ became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey Him; Heb 5:9
Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the nations to the obedience that comes from faith. Rom 1:5-6

 

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To begin with, Acts and the companion Gospel were originally anonymous, and there is no reason to believe that either was actually written by Paul’s associate, Luke. When we compare Acts with Paul’s epistles, we find such differences that it is clear that the author of Acts was disputing Paul’s own account, or at least assuming that readers would not make a close comparison of the two, as modern scholars have now done. Most critical scholars today say that Acts of the Apostles is theology, not history.



Smith and Tyson say, in Acts and Christian Beginnings, that the Acts Seminar, consisting of a group of about a hundred eminent scholars, reached the conclusion that Acts was written well into the second century and was not based on first-hand knowledge. Hans Joachim Schoeps writes that Acts follows a clear didactic line and for this reason energetically cultivates the creation of legends and reshapes persons and events according to its own standards. He says Acts has been "believed much too readily.”



It is a well-known problem of Acts that the three accounts it provides of Paul's conversion do not agree in details –- indicating that either ‘Luke’ was not working from a detailed, fixed, handed-down tradition or he felt free in his dramatisation of the tradition. In Acts 25:14, Jesus is supposed to have remarked to Paul as he lay on the ground, “It hurts you to kick against the goad [or pricks].” This is a quotation from ancient play, the Bacchae, by Euripides. In both the Bacchae and in Acts there is a conversation between a persecuted god and his persecutor. In The Bacchae the persecuted god is Dionysus and his persecutor is Pentheus, king of Thebes. Just like Jesus, Dionysus calls his persecutor to account, “You disregard my words of warning . . . and kick against the goads a man defying god.” Jesus even uses the same plural form of the noun (kentra) that Euripides needs for the metre of his line. An especially peculiar thing is that Jesus should quote a Greek proverb to Paul while speaking Aramaic ("in the Hebrew language").





Returning to the Damascus experience: Acts of the Apostles says that Paul was then taken, blind and helpless to Damascus, where he was taught the gospel and then began preaching to the Jews. Acts says the Jews sought to kill Paul and that he was let down the city wall in a basket so that he could escape the Jews. We can see that this was loosely based on the historical account, but not well enough that it was historical in any important detail. Paul never mentions the Damascus conversion but says that after he became a Christian he spoke to no one but went to Arabia (Petrea) and only then to Damascus, where he seems to have preached to the Gentiles because the governor of the city sought to arrest him, but Paul was let down the city wall in a basket so that he could escape the soldiers.



In Acts 18:12–16, Paul was taken for judgement at the Corinthian tribunal. Dennis E. Smith says “this incident has become an important cornerstone for all reconstructions of Pauline chronology,” because the proconsulship of Gallio can be verified and because the tribunal (bench) has been excavated. Smith cites an unpublished paper written in 2007 by L. Michael White arguing against the historicity of this incident. White argues that the tribunal did not exist as such until late in the first century. Smith explains the tribunal was not there at the time of Paul but was there at the time Acts was written



Acts rates quite poorly for historical accuracy. Luke-Acts contains many sayings attributed to Jesus, Peter and Paul but, in the absence of recording devices, these could not be verbatim transcripts



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ضربهم في موطنهم!��الشيخ عثمان في أكثر المناطق الأمريكية نصرانية دون خوف وآخر يخاف من زوجته��

هندوسيون يسألون عثمان بن فاروق عن الشيعة وطالبان

����مصري مسيحي يحاول إعاقة الدعوة️إلا أنه فشل أمام الشيخ عثمان! النقاش الذي أنهى الجدل

 

[Bob Carabbio]

God says in the Qur’an

NOTHING AT ALL.

The Koran is a worthless and blasphemous collection of GARBAGE with some legitimate passages copied from the BIBLE which are trustworthy like Isaiah 53.

According to ISLAM, Jesus (isa) never was Crucified, which makes ISLAM TOTALLY WORTHLESS in delivering people from HELL for their SIN.

 

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It is a well-known problem of Acts that the three accounts it provides of Paul's conversion do not agree in details –-

It is because of the resurrection of the dead that I am judged by you today. Acts 24:21

Returning to the Damascus experience: Acts of the Apostles says that Paul was then taken,

Why should any of you consider it incredible that God raises the dead? Acts 26:8

In Acts 18:12–16, Paul was taken for judgement at the Corinthian tribunal. Dennis E. Smith says “this incident has become an important cornerstone

The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; Psalm 118:21-23 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. 1 Peter 2:7

Up from the grave He rose again and as He stands in victory
the curse of death has lost it's grip on me
No power of hell, no scheme of man can ever pluck me
from His hand here in the power of Christ I stand

 

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There are a lot of things that were said and done by the historical Jesus that Paul decided to ignore and declare that the law law jesus followed is nailed to the cross the idea of Jesus died for our sins is absurd it makes Hitler who believed in him blush


The best evidence that the gospels and Acts of the Apostles are mere works of fiction is scientific or historical or literary evidence,



We can even establish by literary analysis that the original New Testament gospel was a work of fiction. Rhoads, Dewey and Michie point out, in Mark as Story that the narrator would need to have had unlimited omniscience to know everything he wrote. They say:


The composer of this story has used sophisticated storytelling techniques, developed the characters and the conflicts, and built suspense with deliberateness, telling the story to generate certain insights and responses in the audience.





Literary evidence can also be used to demonstrate that the Acts of the Apostles is a work of fiction. For example, in An Introduction to the New Testament, Raymond E. Brown points to several problematic issues:






In his undisputed letters Paul gives us no information about the first missionary journey.








Paul is considered the first person to have corrupted the religion of the Christians.


. Paul got what is Christianity and reshaped it as he saw fit. His version is different from what Jesus taught.




There are a lot of things that were said and done by the historical Jesus that Paul decided to ignore and declare that the law law jesus followed is nailed to the cross the idea of Jesus died for our sins is absurd it makes Hitler who believed in him blush


He claimed that ‘Jesus may Allaah exalt his mention was sent to replace the Old Testament with another one, and that he adopted of incarnation by way of the word or the son of God or the Holy Spirit. Based on this idea, he initiated the creed of the crucifixion, salvation, the resurrection of ‘Jesus may Allaah exalt his mention and his ascension to heaven in order to sit on the right of the Lord so as to make Judgment.



Likewise, Paul did the same with Peter who attacked him and departed from him and all this provoked the people against him. Therefore, Paul wrote the epistle to the Galatians explaining his creed and principles. Then, he continued his missionary trips in the company of his disciples to Europe and Asia Minor until he finally died in Rome in 65 CE during the reign of Nero.



Throughout the first three centuries of Christianity, there was strong resistance against Paul's beliefs. During the second century CE Hippolytus of Rome, Vitus and Origen denied that Paul was an apostle. During the third century, Paul of Samosata appeared and was followed by the Paulicians but they only had a limited effect. Thus, began the abandonment of the Sharee'ah of the Tawraah and the spread of paganism and the concept of the Trinity and the crucifixion in Christianity.


It doesn’t make sense that God sends countless Prophets like Noah, Abraham and Moses to tell people to believe in one God, and then suddenly sends a radically different message of the Trinity which contradicts his previous Prophets teachings. It is clear that the sect of Christianity who believed Jesus to be a human Prophet and nothing more, were following the true teachings of Jesus. This is because their concept of God is the same as that which was taught by the Prophets in the Old Testament



doubt has been raised about the Apollos episode at Ephesus as Lucan theologising


Since there is no confirmation in the undisputed (or even the pseudonymous) Pauline letters of the appeal to Caesar and the journey to Rome, some who challenge the historicity of Acts dismiss the account of Paul's hazardous sea journey in Acts 27:1-28:14 as novelistic fiction.


We can never verify the existence and martyrdom of Stephen, or the killing of James, son of Zebedee by Herod Agrippa


Arthur J. Bellinzoni takes this comment further, in The New Testament: An Introduction to Biblical Scholarship:


Whether this account [Acts 6] of the Hellenists and of Stephen's martyrdom reflects actual events in the history of the early church or is simply Lukan "theologized" history with little or no factual content is debated by equally competent scholars. The stories in Acts are permeated by literary, , leaving us with little confidence about details of the early history of the Jesus movement.



بابا الفاتيكان يطرد قس باحث عن الحقيقة من الكانيسة بسبب اسئلته المحرجه

Pope expels truth-seeking priest from church over embarrassing questions

Why Is Islam Spreading So Fast? w/ Paul Williams from Blogging Theology | LSESU Islamic Society

 

[akay]

NOTHING AT ALL.

The Koran is a worthless and blasphemous collection of GARBAGE with some legitimate passages copied from the BIBLE which are trustworthy like Isaiah 53.

According to ISLAM, Jesus (isa) never was Crucified, which makes ISLAM TOTALLY WORTHLESS in delivering people from HELL for their SIN.

I always say that Islam must be studied in specialized Islamic centers and not from the media or anti -Islam sites


scholars have proven the truthfulness of the Qur’an scientifically, historically, and morally

All manuscripts are available to the Qur’an and scholars have attested to their authenticity

Therefore, I advise people to study Islam in specialized Islamic centers

But your book was proven scientifically, historically and morally wrong by your scholars



See here
The miracles of the Holy Quran amazed the world and the mistakes of the Christians’ book


معجزات القرءان الكريم أذهلت العالم وأخطاء كتاب النصارى

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=571788301516802

Scientists' comments on Quran
https://www.islamicity.org/5437/scienti ... -on-quran/

Was the Quran copied from the Bible? - Dr Zakir Naik​

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Isaiah 53

The legend of Isaiah 53 and the great forgery


First: The text does not mention the name of Christ, peace be upon him, from near or far!

The speech, then, will be through the descriptions mentioned in this text, so we have to examine these descriptions and compare them with the true biography of Christ to know whether Isaiah 53 is talking about him or not!!


Second: If we look at the descriptions that came in this text, we will find that they are not descriptions of Christ, peace be upon him, according to what came in the New Testament!

Isaiah 53 Explained-Dr.Zakir Naik

 

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Therefore, good deeds and faith in God (the Father) will remain the basis through which people will be held accountable before God. Christ will not bear the mistakes of people.

Striking differences in accounts of Jesus’ crucifixion: An analysis of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John​

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Even the four scribes disagreed​

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The church will not benefit you when you stand before God (the Father) and He holds you accountable​

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The four scribes disagreed on the issue of crucifixion, and their statements are conflicting. Here, I cannot be certain that Christ was the crucified one.​

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I do not rely for salvation from hell on a book that The four scribes do not know how to verify the facts in it​

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Therefore, the opinion of the party that supports crucifixion does not matter because they are seeking the help of these false scribes!​

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A study of the Bible, especially the accounts of the crucifixion, reveals various inconsistencies. These contradictions question the reliability of the Bible we have today and what is mentioned within it. Just as a lawyer, on hearing differing accounts from so-said eyewitnesses that place the entire case into doubt, is compelled to question the reliability of what he has heard, so too is the case with students of religion when they read various clashing accounts in the Bible.





In most cases, the authenticity of an eyewitness is completely dropped when a story, between two people, doesn’t match.

None of the four gospel writers was an eyewitness to the crucifixion; we only have second-hand reporting. Now, I’m no lawyer, but I know enough to know that second-hand reporting in courts, in some cases, is ruled out.



. Seeing such differences, any student of religion is compelled to seriously question the authenticity of their words.





Vinegar or myrrh

Before Jesus was placed on the cross, the Bible states he was given something to drink.

Matthew writes:

“They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.” (Matthew 27:34)

However, Mark states:

“And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.” (Mark 15:23)

Luke and John are quiet regarding this matter.





Time of the crucifixion

It is important to record the time at which an incident occurred when determining the authenticity of a story. This is, among all other evidence, a crucial point that can build the authenticity of a narration. If there seems to be a complication or mismatch between two stories of the same incident, it opens the entire case to more questions.

When we read the Bible, two different times in the accounts of the crucifixion have been recorded by Mark and John.

Mark states:

“And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.” (Mark 15:25)

“And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!” (John 19:14)





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The color of Jesus' robe



We read in Matthew 27:28, “And they stripped him and put on him a scarlet robe.” This was just before the crown of thorns scene. So there he was naked except for the scarlet robe.







The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe

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The first meeting between Hashem and the Christian missionary Ken | A clip worth watching​

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A dangerous prophecy that no one talks about from the Bible proves that Christ was not crucified and raised to heaven​

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