The Eucharist

ziapueblo

Active member
John 6:54 - "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."
Interesting that when Christ says "He who eats (trogon) My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life . . ." He uses the Greek word trogon which means, "to gnaw, munch or crunch." Trogon is also used in the context of eating flesh (sarx). This doesn't seem to be the words of merely symbolism. Otherwise, He would have used the word phago as He does when speaking to the Israelites about eating the manna.

In Christ!
ZP
 

ziapueblo

Active member
They have been deluded for 1500 years.
I see. So for 15 hundred years, God allowed his Church to teach a false teaching, even though it is to be guarded by the Holy Spirit and the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it.

It looks like to me, in your seeing of things, the Holy Spirit fell asleep on the job until the Protestant Reformation.

In Christ!
ZP
 

balshan

Well-known member
I see. So for 15 hundred years, God allowed his Church to teach a false teaching, even though it is to be guarded by the Holy Spirit and the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it.

It looks like to me, in your seeing of things, the Holy Spirit fell asleep on the job until the Protestant Reformation.

In Christ!
ZP
First question is it His church? Is His church a denomination? Why did the Orthodox and RCC split, if they are both His church? What Orthodox are you? The real believers are the body and they are guarded by the Holy Spirit, not lying institutions.

No the Holy Spirit didn't fall asleep. But man chose to follow man and not Jesus. Maybe it was because they wanted power, maybe money, maybe ego are the reasons for them doing so?
 

ziapueblo

Active member
First question is it His church?
The Orthodox/Catholic Church. Both Churches recognize each other as the ancient Church that was in communion with one another for over 1400 years.

Is His church a denomination?
No.

Why did the Orthodox and RCC split, if they are both His church?
A break in communion. The schism is within the Church, not outside of it.

What Orthodox are you?
Jurisdiction? Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America.

The real believers are the body and they are guarded by the Holy Spirit, not lying institutions.
Jesus established the Church, which is more than merely the "invisible" Church of all believers.

But man chose to follow man and not Jesus.
I agree. Every Christian tradition since the Reformation can trace it's founder to a man.

Maybe it was because they wanted power, maybe money, maybe ego are the reasons for them doing so?
That's a human problem which Orthodox, Catholics and non-Orthodox/Catholic Christians suffer from.

In Christ!
ZP
 
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ding

Guest
you didn't just join this forum. the RCC false doctrines have been the subject of many, many threads for years on here.
They are accused of being false doctrines but they are not false.
 
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ding

Guest
yes, believers do, as long as it is scriptural. that's not something catholics can say.
So do you think that you have the authority to declare that the bread and wine are not the body and blood of Christ?
 
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ding

Guest
That wasn't God or the Holy Spirit. some nCs do have religions based on lies - just as the RCC does.
Sorry, but you don't have the authority to speak on behalf of the Holy Spirit.
 

balshan

Well-known member
The Orthodox/Catholic Church. Both Churches recognize each other as the ancient Church that was in communion with one another for over 1400 years.


No.


A break in communion. The schism is within the Church, not outside of it.


Jurisdiction? Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America.


Jesus established the Church, which is more than merely the "invisible" Church of all believers.


I agree. Every Christian tradition since the Reformation can trace it's founder to a man.


That's a human problem which Orthodox, Catholics and non-Orthodox/Catholic Christians suffer from.

In Christ!
ZP
Of course all true believers are visible but not members of your church or any denomination. There are things your institutions don't agree on. Every tradition even in your church can be traced to a man. Yep but it is not part of the real body.
 

balshan

Well-known member
So do you think that you have the authority to declare that the bread and wine are not the body and blood of Christ?
No the scripture is clear, it is symbolic. Because to eat human flesh is against the commandments, so Jesus would not tell us to do it.
 

ziapueblo

Active member
Of course all true believers are visible but not members of your church or any denomination. There are things your institutions don't agree on. Every tradition even in your church can be traced to a man. Yep but it is not part of the real body.
So Jesus established a Church with a body that does not share the same faith? Ask 5 Christians about baptism and you will likely get 5 different answers, all of which use the Bible to support their answers. Is this what Jesus wanted of His Church?

In Christ!
ZP
 

balshan

Well-known member
So Jesus established a Church with a body that does not share the same faith? Ask 5 Christians about baptism and you will likely get 5 different answers, all of which use the Bible to support their answers. Is this what Jesus wanted of His Church?

In Christ!
ZP
So what Orthodox and RCC don't agree on a heap of issues, you point is what?
 

ziapueblo

Active member
So what Orthodox and RCC don't agree on a heap of issues, you point is what?
For one thing, it's a difference in expression; which has its roots in language and culture. There is only one theological concern that we Orthodox have, which is of course, supreme and immediate jurisdiction of the Pope of Rome.

In Christ!
ZP
 

balshan

Well-known member
For one thing, it's a difference in expression; which has its roots in language and culture. There is only one theological concern that we Orthodox have, which is of course, supreme and immediate jurisdiction of the Pope of Rome.

In Christ!
ZP
Ah no you differ on the trinity and according to the RCC your institution does not get a look in:

883"The college or body of bishops has no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter's successor, as its head." As such, this college has "supreme and full authority over the universal Church; but this power cannot be exercised without the agreement of the Roman Pontiff."

884 "The college of bishops exercises power over the universal Church in a solemn manner in an ecumenical council." But "there never is an ecumenical council which is not confirmed or at least recognized as such by Peter's successor."
 

Beloved Daughter

Super Member
Your Bible also doesn't say the work "Bible" does it?

In Christ!
ZP

Do you have a point? What we call these collections of holy inspired writings is not important, the words are.

From what I understand, Orthodox people do not read the Bible for themselves. They let their 'church' decide for them.


You get salvation completely wrong.

 
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