The Eucharist

[Beloved Daughter]

I'm glad you brought this up Beloved Daughter, because speaking of "other denominations," why can't the presiding minister of the Word, in a non-RC church read the Scriptures, ask God's blessing on the bread and wine that they use for their communion service at their Christian Church, and identify it and distribute it as the real body and blood of Jesus Christ, just the same as Roman Catholicism broadcasts and believes that "their" bread and wine fully, really and truly contains the body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ within their same elements, and passed out to Christians who have gathered to worship and praise our Lord and Savior and to rejoice in all He has done for us. Since when was the Last Supper ever a Roman Catholic gathering or meal when Jesus established it to be implemented in His memory?

Good question!

Here is the PDA on the Missouri Synod Lutheran church. I have much respect for them.

Beliefs - The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod - The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod

www.lcms.org

 

[jonathan_hili]

if he understood that what didn't he understand?

It's difficult to say precisely what they understood about what Jesus was saying. It is likely that they really didn't get the message of his death and resurrection until after the fact.

 

[ding]

Yeah, why should you care - Roman Catholics don't even know or care what their own institution teaches

I care, because the Pope has been given authority and this authority comes from Jesus.

 

[balshan]

I care, because the Pope has been given authority and this authority comes from Jesus.

No he wasn't

 

[leonard03782]

Lots of things in catholicism are necessary for salvation. Which is just one of the reasons its a false religion. Unless of course you are invincibly ignorant; ccc 1260, then you don't need any of it. Another false gospel. Btw, how many other religions can say they have more than one false gospel? Rome has at least two. One for the tried and true faithful, and one for those that have no clue about Jesus or the church. I'm sure the devil is quite impressed with his handiwork.

Lets count them and find out.
1) ccc1129 -The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation.(i.e.-works based salvation)
2) out side the church, there is no salvation.
ccc846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

3) Mary is necessary for salvation--Liguori's "Glories of Mary" Ch5

Only those who have no faith will deny that it is very useful and commendable to have recourse to the intercession of Mary. But what we intend to prove here is that Mary’s intercession is not only useful but necessary for salvation: not absolutely, but morally, necessary. This necessity goes back to the very will of God Himself, Who had decreed that all the graces He gives human beings should pass through Mary’s hands (emphasis added by SCF). This is the opinion of St. Bernard — an opinion which we may now safely call the general opinion of Theologians and Doctors.

I let other people add to this list.

 

[RayneBeau]

Yes and no, it depends on the situation.

Though ultimately yes - the Eucharist is Christ. If you cannot accept Christ into your life, you will not be saved.

The above is your answer to the question I asked regarding if the RCC teaches that the Eucharist is necessary for salvation.
So the teaching of the RCC as to whether or not their Eucharist is necessary for salvation is that "it depends on the situation"? Are you serious?

 

[RayneBeau]

If you mean, does eating the Eucharist give a Catholic spiritual life in Christ, then that depends if they are in a state of grace or not. Anyone can partake in the Eucharist unworthily.

No, I meant exactly what I asked in the question - I didn't "mean" anything else other than that.

 

[mica]

I care, because the Pope has been given authority and this authority comes from Jesus.

that's found nowhere in scripture.

there is no one person as leader of all believers found in the NT, other than Christ.

 

[RayneBeau]

Oh they might find the truth.

Roman Catholics are too spiritually lazy and afraid to search for, find, read, pray about, dwell on, teach, believe, preach, give thanks, love, meditate on, practice, know, receive, praise God for, and acknowledge the "truth."

 

[RayneBeau]

Theology 101
That is what omnipresent means:

Christ is also present in Hell:

I asked you
What happens during Mass that it would still need to continue ; even if Christ was sitting there?

Good question! I too would like to know from the Roman Catholics why they disregard the Bible when it plainly teaches that there are no longer any sacrifices for sin needed and that the priesthood has been abolished.

 

[RayneBeau]

I'm glad you brought this up Beloved Daughter, because speaking of "other denominations," why can't the presiding minister of the Word, in a non-RC church read the Scriptures, ask God's blessing on the bread and wine that they use for their communion service at their Christian Church, and identify it and distribute it as the real body and blood of Jesus Christ, just the same as Roman Catholicism broadcasts and believes that "their" bread and wine fully, really and truly contains the body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ within their same elements, and passed out to Christians who have gathered to worship and praise our Lord and Savior and to rejoice in all He has done for us. Since when was the Last Supper ever a Roman Catholic gathering or meal when Jesus established it to be implemented in His memory?

Where are the Roman Catholics with thoughts or an answer to the question I asked? If "transubstantiation" is Biblical, as the RCC claims, and it took place the night of the Last Supper, and on every altar that the Roman Catholic priest does his performance on ever since, then why don't non-Roman Catholic ministers also claim the same "transformation" into the real, true, body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ at their churchs' communion service?

 

[RayneBeau]

I care, because the Pope has been given authority and this authority comes from Jesus.

And at what point is Jesus giving His authority to the Roman Catholic pope - when will that start?

 

[ding]

And at what point is Jesus giving His authority to the Roman Catholic pope - when will that start?

Back in Matthew 16.

 

[jonathan_hili]

The above is your answer to the question I asked regarding if the RCC teaches that the Eucharist is necessary for salvation.
So the teaching of the RCC as to whether or not their Eucharist is necessary for salvation is that "it depends on the situation"? Are you serious?

Of course it depends on the situation. The Eucharist is Christ coming to us substantially to share his life with us - and Christ is necessary for salvation. However, there might be people who don't know this, or who aren't able to access the Eucharist, or whatever. That's the case with all the sacraments. God does not hold people accountable for things they could not otherwise know or do.

 

[1Thess521]

Christ is not present in hell.

Is Jesus omnipresent?

Yes.

Formally known as rldlolbeding.

please resolve

 

[ding]

Is Jesus omnipresent?



please resolve

Please resolve what?

 

[1Thess521]

Please resolve what?

you agreed Christ is omnipresent
and
you said Christ is not present in hell.

both statements cannot be true:
Please resolve

 

[mica]

RayneBeau said:
The above is your answer to the question I asked regarding if the RCC teaches that the Eucharist is necessary for salvation.
So the teaching of the RCC as to whether or not their Eucharist is necessary for salvation is that "it depends on the situation"? Are you serious?

Of course it depends on the situation. The Eucharist is Christ coming to us substantially to share his life with us - and Christ is necessary for salvation. However, there might be people who don't know this, or who aren't able to access the Eucharist, or whatever. That's the case with all the sacraments. God does not hold people accountable for things they could not otherwise know or do.

that happens when one is born again.

yes, including Jesus and the apostles.

there will be no excuses accepted on judgment day.

do you plan to argue in favor of the teachings of the RCC over God's word on judgment day?

 

[jonathan_hili]

do you plan to argue in favor of the teachings of the RCC over God's word on judgment day?

The same question could be asked to us all. Does a "Bible-believing Christian" plan to argue his or her own interpretation over the Church established by Christ on Judgement Day?

 

[1Thess521]

The same question could be asked to us all. Does a "Bible-believing Christian" plan to argue his or her own interpretation over the Church established by Christ on Judgement Day?

The same question could be asked to to you . Does a "Church-believing Catholic" plan to demand an infallible interpretation from the Church of the words of Christ on Judgement Day?