No a person who truly studies the scriptures will never become a RCC,
The Eucharist
- Thread starter RayneBeau
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leonard03782
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Says you, someone who can provide absolutely no credible evidence to back up your ridiculous claims that the unmitigated disaster referred to as the rcc is the one true church established by Jesus Himself.
Actually, there is more evidence that this may be true about the rcc:
REV 17
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
NOPE. I will not have to argue.
HEB 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
leonard03782
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Actually, the last supper is the betrothal ceremony that is based on which is based on a Gallillean wedding tradition. There is a documentary out by Brent Miller Jr. called "Before the Wrath ". As far as I know, it is only out on DVD. While it is a documentary, it seems to me that women may like it. I have called it hick flick. Sorry for being derogatory. I believe that it will edify true believers that have not seen it.
leonard03782
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You do not have to believe one single that we do, but you will wish you had if you were to drop dead this very minute.
jonathan_hili
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It was clearly a Passover meal but that's an interesting approach. Why does Miller think it's a betrothal ceremony?
leonard03782
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Rather than butchering the story, the website That the World May Know.com will give you what research has discovered and how it relates to the Last Supper. Basically, it is an overview of the documentary.
I found Ray Vander laan videos extremely interesting and thought provoking. His thoughts on the gates of hell in particular.
jonathan_hili
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Thanks, I'll have a look at it later today.
most likely not. they won't find those specifically catholic teachings in it. they won't find a 'pope', people confessing sin to priests or praying to dead people (which includes Mary). If they read and study it with a heart desire to know God and what He has for them, they will most likely be born again. That's an eternity in difference from the RCC.
leonard03782
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If you Google Gallilean wedding traditions, you will find numerous blogs on the subject.
RayneBeau
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Again I will state that the Roman Catholic Church derives It's false teaching of 'transubstantiation' from their errant interpretations of the passages in the Gospels dealing with the Last Supper and also from John Chapter 6 where Jesus speaks of eating his flesh and drinking his blood. It is obvious that Jesus was not speaking literally, but rather in a figurative sense. He did this quite often when teaching, and the Bible itself is full of figurative teachings.
Does the Orthodox or Coptic Church teach that when Jesus said, "I am the door" in John 10:7, that it meant that He was a literal wooden door? When Jesus said "I am the Good Shepherd, did He mean that He was an actual shepherd? And when Jesus said: "I am the Vine" in John 15:5, did the early Christians from the 1st centuries understand Him to mean He was a grapevine and employ priests who were said to have the power to turn a grapevine into the Son of God, worship it as such, and pass out grapes from that priestly consecrated vine to eat, believing they were consuming Jesus Christ?
1Thess521
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you are using the word "final" to mean the last person you ask or consult:
When Sola Scriptura advocates use the word "final" they mean highest; as in there are no more steps to go up: you have reached the top:
No Sola Scriptura advocate believes their interpretation is the highest authority:
So quit you little your evocating strawman word games and just embrace the fact that God-breathed writings are as authoritative as God speaking from His Throne....and your Church is not
from rldlolbeding;n2051778
All Scripture is God breathed (pasa graphe theopneustos) - Yes
Every line of Scripture is infallible and inerrant (Incapable of error. Contains no errors) - Yes
It is The Truth ( not a truth, not merely correct) - Yes
Anything statement that disagrees with Scripture, by definition must be an error - Yes
It is impossible for Scripture to disagree with God. - Yes
It is impossible for God to disagree with Scripture. - Yes
God speaking from His Throne; Jesus preaching from the Mount, and ALL God breathed writings carry the same EQUAL authority - Yes.
from rldlolbeding;n2051825
Do Catholics believe that it is a requirement for God to state that He is the highest authority for it to be true? - No
Do Catholics believe that it is a requirement for God breathed writtings to state they are the highest authority for it to be true? - No
from rldlolbeding;n2051859
Are there any other God breathed writings (graphe theopneustos) not included in the Bible*?
(*that we still have access to) - No
Are there any other writings that can claim every line is infallible and inerrant ? - No
Are there any other writings that it is impossible for God to disagree with? - No
Are there any other writings that carry the EXACT same authority as God speaking from His Throne or Jesus preaching from the Mount? - No
D
ding
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God-breathed writings say that the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ. You are saying that it is not. Your church's teachings aren't the same as the authority of God's written word, neither is your argument.
So how is the issue settled?
1Thess521
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The issue is not settle because your institution has no authority at all to do anything. It just distorts scripture and the word is against such things.
2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Your institution is full of ignorant and unstable people who distort the word. Also, you institution has not interpreted all scripture.
D
ding
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Truth isn't settles by democracy is it? No I don't think so. We don't vote on the truth. God is the final/ultimate authority so what does God say is the truth? When Jesus said, "....this is my body...this is my blood of the covenant..." was he using a figure of speech or not?
D
ding
Guest
The words of scripture says that the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ. The Catholic church teaches that it is your church teaches that it is not. So how is it that we are distorting scriptures when our teachings line up with what scripture says?
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This is the problem which you do not understand the symbolic writing in scripture and blindly follow an institution that makes false claims. Your institution distorts scripture when it pretends something is not symbolic when it obviously is.
D
ding
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But you are wanting us to follow your claims too. How do we know that your "institution" isn't distorting scripture?
1Thess521
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the scariest thing in the world for a Catholic to hear:
"You are personally responsible to know"
You do not get to say: So-and-So told me it meant "this or that": so I believed him.