The False Doctrine of "Hell"

[Base12]

That is Gehenna, a garbage dump.

Let's talk about another name for Gehenna, which is 'Tophet'.

Tophet is a mysterious word that many have tried to translate. Some say it meant the 'beating of drums', however I believe the Word of God gives us the answer...

Isaiah 30:33 (KJV)
For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.

Now let us look at another translation...

Isaiah 30:33 (KJV) (JPS Tanakh 1917)
"For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it."

A-ha!

Now we have our first clue as to what Tophet... aka... Gehenna... aka... the Lake of Fire is.

It is a Hearth. What is a Hearth in Scripture? It is the place where Sacrifices are made. Sometimes, it is a HUMAN SACRIFICE...

Isaiah 29:2 (New International Version)
Yet I will besiege Ariel; she will mourn and lament, she will be to me like an altar hearth. <- That word is Ariel BTW.

Some believe that Ariel is Uriel, the Angel of the Flaming Sword of the Garden of Eden. Remember what I said about 'passing through the fire'?

The Flaming Sword of Eden is in reference to Tophet, where the Unsaved go. Now, here is where things get even more interesting...

The 'Hearth', where sacrifices are made, is in reference to the Goddess of the Hearth. Who is she? HESTIA!

Who is Hestia? Why she is none other than the brother of Hades! Anyone heard of Hades before?

Tophet is the Goddess of the Hearth and where the Unsaved go. Note that Hestia is the same as Vesta...



Hestia and Vesta are the 'Eternal Flame' and the 'Everlasting Fire'...

Matthew 25:41
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"

Now, is everyone ready for the punchline? Guess what Vesta looked like?

"The myths depicting Vesta and her priestesses were few, and were limited to tales of miraculous impregnation by a phallus appearing in the flames of the hearth—the manifestation of the goddess."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesta_(mythology)

Yep. You heard that right. Gehenna, aka... where babies come from... aka... the Lake of Fire is a picture of a Phallus impregnating a Womb.

Matthew 23:15 (Berean Literal Bible)
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you traverse the sea and the dry land to make one convert, and whenever it may happen, you make him twofold more a son of Gehenna than yourselves."

 

[Base12]

notes...

Interesting Eve. Thanks for that. I see a lot of parallels to my own research.

I'm going to save it for reference so I can study it further.

 

[Base12]

I may as well add this...

The Golden Calf that the Israelites worshipped was Hathor. More specifically, they were worshipping the Female Reproductive System.

They knew it was a Dimensional Portal.

Hathor later evolved into Moloch...

Acts 7:41-43
"And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands."

"Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?"

"Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon."

Stephen was stoned to death for revealing this Mystery.

It is still the same concept. The Golden Calf and Moloch are where Seed goes to retrieve those in Prison...

1 Peter 3:19
"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;"

Jesus was teaching them how to recognize and believe the Rescue Plan after leaving the Womb.

 

[Base12]

 

[Gary Mac]

the reason we cannot discard as claptrap every detail, is that it is important understanding what hell really is and that it exists, but as a prison by satan for the originals of eden after the fall... the 'universe' of eden needs to be distinguished from the satan realm (sin realm), which God intervened upon (as void) in genesis 1 by creating Eden realm, for us. this solar system is not the cosmos created by God.

death is indeed the current hell... both of this earth and in the other world. and the death included Cosmological changes.. and not merely toil starting up.

I am replying to the op again here, to be sure that Ive addressed the OP since you took the time to write it and ponder all the points.

Heaven or hell is the disposition of the individual it isnt a place you go to,

Jesus was clear the kingdom fo God doesnt come with observation but is withn you. Not many believe him though.

Some live in a dark and hateful and ugly world described as hell, even you say that you live in it --And others live in the light of Love that is Gods heavenand everything beautiful.

 

[Gary Mac]

my post was relating to cosmology.

you reside on this planet.

But I am not of it, I am of SPirit, only this mortal body is confined to this planet that came by it and will go back to it at experation. But while I am here I am of SPirit, it is who I am not what I am.

 

[Gary Mac]

nor am i "of this world" .

but the cosmology is off, and that was what I was posting about.

cosmology was off? What is that?

 

[Gary Mac]

Well I have to agree that your cosmos is off.

 

[Gary Mac]

who are you agreeing with? Since I do not agree with you.

what you said is 100% false.

It is to your beliefs.

 

[Gary Mac]

silent. i cant talk to a harsh cold mindset.

I can you cant emagine the mindset of prison inmates who literally hated me and all I try and do is help with their mind set of from a planet of the apes to the beauty of mindset of heaven to be the temple of Him. And so did Jesus and look how he was treated. A mindset of Love who God is will never neglect those who are in darkness.

 

[Gary Mac]

its not my fault your type of mindset.

For sure mine is that of God. It is He who gives His same mind not you or any other person.

 

[John t]

I can you cant emagine the mindset of prison inmates who literally hated me and all I try and do is help with their mind set of from a planet of the apes to the beauty of mindset of heaven to be the temple of Him. And so did Jesus and look how he was treated. A mindset of Love who God is will never neglect those who are in darkness.

Do you ever proof read what you post?

(((shaking my head)))

 

[Buzzard]

Is.28:15
Because ye have said,
We have made a covenant with death,
and with hell are we at agreement;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
it shall not come unto us:
for we have made lies our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

How do you make an covenant or an agreement
with a place of torment

Revelation 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and his buddy Hell
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

 

[John t]

How do you make an covenant or an agreement with a place of torment

Easy!

Like every other cultist, you Christadelphians take things utterly out of their context and screw it up beyond its intention. In your case, you cherry picked ONE VERSE from the 23,145 verses in the Old Testament and pretend to have a bazaar belief not supportable by any other verse of total 31,103 verses in the Bible.

Specifically, this verse does not teach any doctrine, so you cannot misuse that Scripture verse in the manner that you do. That is proved by this dependent sentence clause :

Because ye have said,​

Second, the Prophet is making a statement of what the unbelieving religious kiss ups intended to do with their god:

We have made a covenant with death,​

and with hell are we at agreement.​

Third, their stupid ceremonies are as efficacious as are those of the Masons, or Mormons or Catholics They are supposed to ward off calamity:

when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,​

it shall not come unto us:​

Last, they are knowingly doing things that are plainly stupid:

for we have made lies our refuge,​

and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:​

So that is the recipe they used. In other words, they stupidly deluded themselves into believing they were safe because they did "supernatural ceremonies".

But they are not the only ones doing that; when anyone, including you Christadelphians propose that such garbage supports a position for which there is no evidence in ANY of the 31,000 verses in the Bible, those people have removed themselves from the world of the rational, and entered the Twilight Zone of the unbelieving cults.

Of course you are free to enter the "locked wards of religious extremism" but having spent time with real clients in real locked wards, I can accurately state they are not a pleasant places to stay

 

[Buzzard]

Proverbs 9:1
Wisdom hath builded her house,
she hath hewn out her seven pillars:
2 She hath killed her beasts;
she hath mingled her wine;
she hath also furnished her table.

3 She hath sent forth her maidens:
she crieth upon the highest places of the city,
4 Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither:
as for him that wanteth understanding,
she saith to him,

5 Come, eat of my bread,
and drink of the wine which I have mingled.
6 Forsake the foolish, and live;
and go in the way of understanding.

13 A foolish woman is clamorous:
she is simple, and knoweth nothing.
14 For she sitteth at the door of her house,
on a seat in the high places of the city,

15 To call passengers who go right on their ways:
16 Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither:
and as for him that wanteth understanding,

she saith to him,
17 Stolen waters are sweet,
and bread eaten in secret is pleasant.

18 But he knoweth not that the dead are there;
and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

Matt.21:1
And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables,
and said,

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding:
and they would not come.

Proverbs
Wisdom hath builded her house,
she hath hewn out her seven pillars:
2 She hath killed her beasts;
she hath mingled her wine;
she hath also furnished her table.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants,
saying,
Tell them which are bidden,
Behold, I have prepared my dinner:
my oxen and my fatlings are killed,
and all things are ready:
come unto the marriage.

 

[Gary Mac]

Do you ever proof read what you post?

Doesnt do any good Im terrable at spelling and grammer. But most can decifer what Im trying to convey.

(((shaking my head)))

I can see that for sure.

 

[Gary Mac]

adam did when he betrayed God and fell.

the horses are satanic constructs (would be too much to post) although God allows this world to destroy itself...(soon!). thus... power given unto.

the entire purpose of scripture since the day eden fell (because man sinned) is to get us back.

understanding theological points is fine... but the point is to listen to Him and go Home and that all scripture never deviated from His goal, to save us, to get us back, not once.

God doesn’t say one thing then mean another. Adam was told not to eat of that tree (enter the satanic realm). But he disobeyed. Yet some people here think that adam falling was good and that his doing so was progress and some don’t recognize Christ’s deity.

Actually Adam recieved the knowledge of good and evil and became like God to know this difference. One cant know what evil is or what sin is least you know what it is to be good, righteous, holy, pure, and without sin.

 

[John t]

Proverbs 9:1
Wisdom hath builded her house,

You posted this nonsense below:

Buzzard said:
How do you make an covenant or an agreement with a place of torment........

Yet, you STILL have not given a cogent rebuttal using Scripture in its CONTEXT. and you know that the saddest part of your taking a verse totally out of its context in a wild-eyed hope to establish your pretext heresy is that you will NEVER be able to prove it as accurately representing what is in the Bible.

 

[John t]

Doesnt do any good Im terrable at spelling and grammer. But most can decifer what Im trying to convey.

This board uses a spell checker, so really, there is no excuse for misspelling. To turn it on, it is located in your preferences

 

[Gary Mac]

Adam was not a dumb beast. You equate innocence with ignorance, which is not true. He understood, and was not a mere creature, but a son, and he betrayed God.

If one is ignorant then he is innocent of charge, but if one knows a truth and denies it then one is guilty. Adam didnt betray God at all, he obeyed and learned a difference. He became the image of God that God origionally intended. Gen 3:22. Abraham, Moses, Jesus 120 all did the same.

The knowledge of good and evil is a lower type of mind, dialectical, dualistic - brute type of 2 dimensional thinking.

Knowledge of good and evil comes by God alone manifest in you . Jesus gaind this knowldge in Matt 3:16 when God opend it all up to him just as He does in us all who recieve the same from God. You cant know what is good and what is evil without Him to do so. Until then what you deem as good is actually evil in Gods eyes.

The physics version of it is ‘causality’ (cause effect), based on reaction, but having no depth. Adam basically went from steak to greasy hamburger when it came to understanding, because, instead of being directed by God, now he was directed by the watcher ‘gods’ (fallen angels), whose consciousness and will is exactly like the modern conscious, and the nature (growing things etc.) of this world — a consciousness that does not feel, care, and which is empty, and cruel; pure brute causality.... a foreign entity to us His souls.

SO did Jesus he went from the luxeries and comfort of Bethleham, Eden, to trials and tribulation, scandals hatred of Jerusalem. Adam did the same. Your eyes are closed.

Nature of that type does not care if someone suffers from age or pain.

Jesus was perfect example for this.

The nature which wills a nature is what sets ’what it is like’ : the deity/mind you chose is depraved.

To have the mind of Christ is deity at work. Only a depraved mind sees himself apart from the mind of Christ. I am not apart from Christ, I have the same anointing from God Jesus had of God. God demands that of me if I am to be one in Him with He in me and I in Him as one as Jesus was one in Him. John 17. You have seperated yourself from Him is all and trying to seperate me from Him.

That mind began to direct adam who was now in a fallen state, and deluded. where before God directed adam, and adam lived upon an earth whose every aspect loved God, heard Him, and which was beneficial and never cruel, and which did not degrade, now adam listened to a different mind, which is cruel, and whose nature does not care if it kills you and which will kill you... and does not love.

Adam hd the mind of flesh carnal, just as every one does until God comes and opens all of His heaven to you. See Matt 3:16 this is how He does it, by His SPirit. You nor anyone else is born with it not even Jesus was born with it and didnt lear of it until he was about 30 years old. Most go to as grave never learning of it.

That horrible vicious mind adam acquired or rather, which acquired adam like his prison guard, is the mind Adam adopted (which is the Self Paul says to die to and which oppresses souls.)

There is your answer, Adams mind became that of Gods to become like Him instead of self just as God dfemands that we have His same mind. As you say -- to you to have Gods mind to be like Him as Adam became, as Jesu became, is vicious and evil . Adam didnt adopt Gopds SPirit at all, God was manifest in the man just as He is in all who will recieve Him. See Matt 3:16 He was even manifst in Jesus. he will manifest Himself in all who will.

And indeed man became subject to causality and death and lost his gorgeous eden nature, and the body of eden he had, and his home in eden. And was made destitute. And the ugly part—- that Self is such that a soul destitute to it doesn’t even know!!! and revels in having that mind and its death.

We who God is manifest in come to life, we come out of that grave where flesh is burried to live His way, to live His truth, to live His life that you call a causality. We died of self and put on the Christ ourselves, which is to be anointed of God. But I do agree that you are lost in Eden.

It’s a horrible trap and I hope you die to it soon.

Gods way is a horrible trap for you as you say -- but for me it is a life in Christ that is filled with Love and joy, a beautiful state of being. I died to this flesh many years ago and now live the new man of Christ that you see as evil and hope I die to become as miserable as the life that you live.

There is a beautiful way to live eve -- why you reject so great a salvation to live in it is beyond Gods will for a life in Christ.