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The False Doctrine of "Hell"
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Sorry Gary it's not just the spelling and grammar it's what your trying to convey that makes no sense. But I still love you.Doesnt do any good Im terrable at spelling and grammer. But most can decifer what Im trying to convey.
I can see that for sure.
I know you have heart!
"A fool with a heart and no sense is just as happy as a fool with sense and no heart."
Again -- the same message of Christ didnt make any sense to his opposers either did did it? Isnt the real issue is you naver have heard the way of Christ as Jesus taught it? Isnt what you cling to is the way of Paul instead? You are exactly as those who Rome gave them a choice in whom to release from Prison, they chose Barabbus, you choose Paul instead.Sorry Gary it's not just the spelling and grammar it's what your trying to convey that makes no sense. But I still love you.
I know you have heart!
"A fool with a heart and no sense is just as happy as a fool with sense and no heart."
are you saying, Hell and Death are their "Gods" ????Second, the Prophet is making a statement of what the unbelieving religious kiss ups intended to do with their god:
We have made a covenant with death,and with hell are we at agreement.
so now rather than hell and death are places of torment,
They are "Gods" than they did service too
Boy; sounds like a lot of what goes on today
That's ridiculous Gary, but one things for sure I've never heard the way of Christ like someone who bumped their head then got some special revelation from God and then woke up out of a coma. Sound familiar sort of like on the road to Damascus?Again -- the same message of Christ didnt make any sense to his opposers either did did it? Isnt the real issue is you naver have heard the way of Christ as Jesus taught it? Isnt what you cling to is the way of Paul instead? You are exactly as those who Rome gave them a choice in whom to release from Prison, they chose Barabbus, you choose Paul instead.
Jesus is my Lord and Savior yes I know him. The apostle Paul writes Bible and I like to read the Bible. It tells me about Jesus I wonder if you know Him or if you are just clinging to some figment of your imagination.
Your not Him, get over it.I can you cant emagine the mindset of prison inmates who literally hated me and all I try and do is help with their mind set of from a planet of the apes to the beauty of mindset of heaven to be the temple of Him. And so did Jesus and look how he was treated. A mindset of Love who God is will never neglect those who are in darkness.
Again -- the same message of Christ didnt make any sense to his opposers either did did it? Isnt the real issue is you naver have heard the way of Christ as Jesus taught it? Isnt what you cling to is the way of Paul instead? You are exactly as those who Rome gave them a choice in whom to release from Prison, they chose Barabbus, you choose Paul instead.
Let me tell you about Paul and the Damascus road Gary.
The sky was clear blue there was no thunderstorm or violent wind then...
“Suddenly about midday a great light flashed from the sky all around me … a light more brilliant than the sun, shining all around me and my traveling companions.” Paul and the others fell to the ground. They were appalled by this phenomenon, not just a flash but sustained light, terrifying and inexplicable. That light was Jesus Gary.
The companions seemed to have stumbled to their feet. Paul remained prostrate. For him alone the light grew in intensity. He heard a voice, at once calm and authoritative, say in Aramaic, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?” He looked up. Within the center of light, which blinded him from his surroundings, he faced a Man of about his own age.
Paul could not believe what he heard and saw. All his convictions, intellect, and training, his reputation, his self-respect, demanded that Jesus should not be alive again. He played for time and replied, “Who are You, Lord?”
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you, this kicking against the goad.” Then Paul knew.
In a second that seemed an eternity he saw the wounds in Jesus’ hands and feet, saw the face, and knew he had seen the Lord, that He was alive, as Stephen and the others had said, and that He loved not only those whom Paul persecuted but also Paul himself: “It is hard for you to kick against the goad.”
Not one word of reproach. Paul had never admitted to himself that he had felt pricks of a goad as he raged against Stephen and his disciples. But now, instantaneously, he was shatteringly aware that he had been fighting Jesus— and fighting himself, his conscience, his powerlessness, the darkness and chaos in his own soul. God hovered over this chaos and brought him to the moment of new creation.
It wanted only his “Yes.”
Paul broke. He was trembling and in no state to weigh the pros and cons of changing sides. He only knew that he had heard a voice and had seen the Lord and that nothing mattered but to find and obey His will. “What shall I do, Lord?”
He used the same ascription as before, but all the obedience and worship and love in heaven and earth went into that one word, “Lord.” At that moment he knew he was utterly forgiven, utterly loved. In his own words: “God who said, ‘Let light shine out of darkness,’ has shined in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
Paul could instantly be treated as a man who had never sinned, be welcomed with love and trust. The more he looked with blinded eyes at the brightness of the light (Jesus), the more distinct grew the fact disclosed in that instant of time on the Damascus Road: Forgiveness was a gift, entire and whole and perfect, because forgiveness was Christ Himself.
It could not be earned; no human merit could outweigh human sin, but in having Christ, Paul had all. He could have shouted aloud in the house of Judas what he would write in the unknown years ahead: “God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts!” “The mystery hidden for ages and generations but now made manifest is: Christ in you!”
Gary the gift of salvation you received is the same as the gift of salvation that Paul received. Paul has done more to advance the kingdom of God than you could even dream of. How sad it is that you believe that you can take the Bible God's living word and tear out the stuff you dislike.
“For to me to live is Christ!” Already Paul had an urge to pray: not just the formal prayers of the glorious Jewish liturgy, but the conversation of a son with his Father: In talking with Jesus he talked with the Father; in worshipping the Father he conversed with the Son.
OK; so now you are down to quoting some commentaryLet me tell you about Paul and the Damascus road Gary.
The sky was clear blue there was no thunderstorm or violent wind then...
“Suddenly about midday a great light flashed from the sky all around me … a light more brilliant than the sun, shining all around me and my traveling companions.” Paul and the others fell to the ground. They were appalled by this phenomenon, not just a flash but sustained light, terrifying and inexplicable. That light was Jesus Gary.
The companions seemed to have stumbled to their feet. Paul remained prostrate. For him alone the light grew in intensity. He heard a voice, at once calm and authoritative, say in Aramaic, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?” He looked up. Within the center of light, which blinded him from his surroundings, he faced a Man of about his own age.
Paul could not believe what he heard and saw. All his convictions, intellect, and training, his reputation, his self-respect, demanded that Jesus should not be alive again. He played for time and replied, “Who are You, Lord?”
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you, this kicking against the goad.” Then Paul knew.
In a second that seemed an eternity he saw the wounds in Jesus’ hands and feet, saw the face, and knew he had seen the Lord, that He was alive, as Stephen and the others had said, and that He loved not only those whom Paul persecuted but also Paul himself: “It is hard for you to kick against the goad.”
Not one word of reproach. Paul had never admitted to himself that he had felt pricks of a goad as he raged against Stephen and his disciples. But now, instantaneously, he was shatteringly aware that he had been fighting Jesus— and fighting himself, his conscience, his powerlessness, the darkness and chaos in his own soul. God hovered over this chaos and brought him to the moment of new creation.
It wanted only his “Yes.”
Paul broke. He was trembling and in no state to weigh the pros and cons of changing sides. He only knew that he had heard a voice and had seen the Lord and that nothing mattered but to find and obey His will. “What shall I do, Lord?”
He used the same ascription as before, but all the obedience and worship and love in heaven and earth went into that one word, “Lord.” At that moment he knew he was utterly forgiven, utterly loved. In his own words: “God who said, ‘Let light shine out of darkness,’ has shined in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
Paul could instantly be treated as a man who had never sinned, be welcomed with love and trust. The more he looked with blinded eyes at the brightness of the light (Jesus), the more distinct grew the fact disclosed in that instant of time on the Damascus Road: Forgiveness was a gift, entire and whole and perfect, because forgiveness was Christ Himself.
It could not be earned; no human merit could outweigh human sin, but in having Christ, Paul had all. He could have shouted aloud in the house of Judas what he would write in the unknown years ahead: “God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts!” “The mystery hidden for ages and generations but now made manifest is: Christ in you!”
Gary the gift of salvation you received is the same as the gift of salvation that Paul received. Paul has done more to advance the kingdom of God than you could even dream of. How sad it is that you believe that you can take the Bible God's living word and tear out the stuff you dislike.
“For to me to live is Christ!” Already Paul had an urge to pray: not just the formal prayers of the glorious Jewish liturgy, but the conversation of a son with his Father: In talking with Jesus he talked with the Father; in worshipping the Father he conversed with the Son.
or writing one yourself
in desperation to support your understanding;
it was Paul that said
do not go beyond that which is written
else all you are doing is Speculating
ok here you go:OK; so now you are down to quoting some commentary
or writing one yourself
in desperation to support your understanding;
it was Paul that said
do not go beyond that which is written
else all you are doing is Speculating
MEANWHILE SAUL, still drawing his breath hard from threatening and murderous desire against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest
2 And requested of him letters to the synagogues at Damascus [authorizing him], so that if he found any men or women belonging to the Way [of life as determined by faith in Jesus Christ], he might bring them bound [with chains] to Jerusalem.
3 Now as he traveled on, he came near to Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him,
4 And he fell to the ground. Then he heard a voice saying to him, Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me [harassing, troubling, and molesting Me]?
5 And Saul said, Who are You, Lord? And He said, I am Jesus, Whom you are persecuting. It is dangerous and it will turn out badly for you to keep kicking against the goad [to offer vain and perilous resistance].
6 Trembling and astonished he asked, Lord, what do You desire me to do? The Lord said to him, But arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.
7 The men who were accompanying him were unable to speak [for terror], hearing the voice but seeing no one.
8 Then Saul got up from the ground, but though his eyes were opened, he could see nothing; so they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus.
9 And he was unable to see for three days, and he neither ate nor drank [anything].
10 Now there was in Damascus a disciple named Ananias. The Lord said to him in a vision, Ananias. And he answered, Here am I, Lord.
11 And the Lord said to him, Get up and go to the street called Straight and ask at the house of Judas for a man of Tarsus named Saul, for behold, he is praying [there].
12 And he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias enter and lay his hands on him so that he might regain his sight.
13 But Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard many people tell about this man, especially how much evil and what great suffering he has brought on Your saints at Jerusalem;
14 Now he is here and has authority from the high priests to put in chains all who call upon Your name.
15 But the Lord said to him, Go, for this man is a chosen instrument of Mine to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the descendants of Israel;
16 For I will make clear to him how much he will be afflicted and must endure and suffer for My name’s sake.
17 So Ananias left and went into the house. And he laid his hands on Saul and said, Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, Who appeared to you along the way by which you came here, has sent me that you may recover your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.
18 And instantly something like scales fell from [Saul’s] eyes, and he recovered his sight. Then he arose and was baptized,
19 And after he took some food, he was strengthened. For several days [afterward] he remained with the disciples at Damascus.
20 And immediately in the synagogues he proclaimed Jesus, saying, He is the Son of God!
21 And all who heard him were amazed and said, Is not this the very man who harassed and overthrew and destroyed in Jerusalem those who called upon this Name? And he has come here for the express purpose of arresting them and bringing them in chains before the chief priests.
22 But Saul increased all the more in strength, and continued to confound and put to confusion the Jews who lived in Damascus by comparing and examining evidence and proving that Jesus is the Christ (the Messiah).
are you saying, Hell and Death are their "Gods" ????
Until you are able to defend the abominable interpretation of Isaiah 28:15 which you made that is totally unsupported by ANY of the 30K + other verses in the Bible, I shall not be inclined to follow your irrelevant rabbit trails.
How do you make an covenant or an agreement with a place of torment
You alone made the statement, so you ALONE need to defend it by attempting to find support from any other Bible verse IN CONTEXT.
Face it, your statement is feckless fiction totally lacking in truth, and is a primary example of why Christadelphianism is a cult.
Several MAJOR errors here.OK; so now you are down to quoting some commentary
or writing one yourself
in desperation to support your understanding;
- No commentary is quoted, so you are creating a falsehood.
- He is merely rephrasing what Scripture IN ITS CONTEXT clearly states.
- He is not the one who is "in desperation"; it is you because you have never backed up any of your claims, you have no evidence to demonstrate.
- His understanding follows what the Bible stated; the same cannot be said of your posts here
Gary Mac said:
Doesnt do any good Im terrable at spelling and grammer. But most can decifer what Im trying to convey.
Turn it on in your word processor
You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think.
The reason for the truth of what you posted is that according to Scripture all cults, including Christadelphians are SPIRITUALLY BLIND.
from ESV 2 Corinthians 4:
2 But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing.
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
5 For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
The idiotic things they try to post by bastardizing Scripture never ceases to confound common sense.
That's ridiculous Gary, but one things for sure I've never heard the way of Christ like someone who bumped their head then got some special revelation from God and then woke up out of a coma. Sound familiar sort of like on the road to Damascus?
Oh no not at all, it was like the same who came to Jesus in Matt 3:16. You cant relatye to the same is all. Was nothing like what Paul described. You are assuming yourself to be in a certain condition that you never have been in is all.
If Jesus was your lord then you wouldnt be trying to manipulate him into your belief system where you lord over him. You would be like him instead if he was lord over you. .Jesus is my Lord and Savior yes I know him. The apostle Paul writes Bible and I like to read the Bible. It tells me about Jesus I wonder if you know Him or if you are just clinging to some figment of your imagination.
Now you are getting the message -- I am not Him but I am like Him by the same SPirit in me who was in Christ Jesus, same PSirit, same mind of Christ, same walk as He walks in it. . Sometiong you are not considering in yourself.Your not Him, get over it.
Let me tell you the way of Christ in whom I follow the way of. The same God who came to Jesus and opend all His heaven to Jesus is the same One who came to me and did the same. He would come to you to if you would let Him. For His promoice is He will come to you and sup with you and be in you but you follow the way of Paul instead who had other ideas about it.Let me tell you about Paul and the Damascus road Gary.
The sky was clear blue there was no thunderstorm or violent wind then...
“Suddenly about midday a great light flashed from the sky all around me … a light more brilliant than the sun, shining all around me and my traveling companions.” Paul and the others fell to the ground. They were appalled by this phenomenon, not just a flash but sustained light, terrifying and inexplicable. That light was Jesus Gary.
The companions seemed to have stumbled to their feet. Paul remained prostrate. For him alone the light grew in intensity. He heard a voice, at once calm and authoritative, say in Aramaic, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?” He looked up. Within the center of light, which blinded him from his surroundings, he faced a Man of about his own age.
Paul could not believe what he heard and saw. All his convictions, intellect, and training, his reputation, his self-respect, demanded that Jesus should not be alive again. He played for time and replied, “Who are You, Lord?”
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you, this kicking against the goad.” Then Paul knew.
In a second that seemed an eternity he saw the wounds in Jesus’ hands and feet, saw the face, and knew he had seen the Lord, that He was alive, as Stephen and the others had said, and that He loved not only those whom Paul persecuted but also Paul himself: “It is hard for you to kick against the goad.”
Not one word of reproach. Paul had never admitted to himself that he had felt pricks of a goad as he raged against Stephen and his disciples. But now, instantaneously, he was shatteringly aware that he had been fighting Jesus— and fighting himself, his conscience, his powerlessness, the darkness and chaos in his own soul. God hovered over this chaos and brought him to the moment of new creation.
It wanted only his “Yes.”
Paul broke. He was trembling and in no state to weigh the pros and cons of changing sides. He only knew that he had heard a voice and had seen the Lord and that nothing mattered but to find and obey His will. “What shall I do, Lord?”
He used the same ascription as before, but all the obedience and worship and love in heaven and earth went into that one word, “Lord.” At that moment he knew he was utterly forgiven, utterly loved. In his own words: “God who said, ‘Let light shine out of darkness,’ has shined in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
Paul could instantly be treated as a man who had never sinned, be welcomed with love and trust. The more he looked with blinded eyes at the brightness of the light (Jesus), the more distinct grew the fact disclosed in that instant of time on the Damascus Road: Forgiveness was a gift, entire and whole and perfect, because forgiveness was Christ Himself.
It could not be earned; no human merit could outweigh human sin, but in having Christ, Paul had all. He could have shouted aloud in the house of Judas what he would write in the unknown years ahead: “God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts!” “The mystery hidden for ages and generations but now made manifest is: Christ in you!”
Gary the gift of salvation you received is the same as the gift of salvation that Paul received. Paul has done more to advance the kingdom of God than you could even dream of. How sad it is that you believe that you can take the Bible God's living word and tear out the stuff you dislike.
“For to me to live is Christ!” Already Paul had an urge to pray: not just the formal prayers of the glorious Jewish liturgy, but the conversation of a son with his Father: In talking with Jesus he talked with the Father; in worshipping the Father he conversed with the Son.
May I ask why you follow Paul instead of Jesus?
I checked it is on.Turn it on in your word processor
Song of Solomon 1:7Several MAJOR errors here.
- No commentary is quoted, so you are creating a falsehood.
- He is merely rephrasing what Scripture IN ITS CONTEXT clearly states.
- He is not the one who is "in desperation"; it is you because you have never backed up any of your claims, you have no evidence to demonstrate.
- His understanding follows what the Bible stated; the same cannot be said of your posts here
Tell me, O thou whom my soul loveth,
where thou feedest, where thou makest thy flock to rest at noon:
for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions?
8 If thou know not, O thou fairest among women,
go thy way forth by the footsteps of the flock,
and feed thy kids beside the shepherds' tents.
just go and feed on the Mustards,
the cockle and briers and brambles
with the Flocks of the Shepherds
OK, John;
lets go thru it
but 1st this
when scripture speaks of the Fields of the Shepherds
and the Mustards the enemy has planted in the fields of God
the result is this
Tansy mustard (Descurainia pinnata) is an annual weed that grows on dry, sandy soils in arid areas.
Intoxication occurs primarily in cattle only after large amounts of this plant have been eaten over extended periods of time.
Signs of poisoning include partial or complete blindness, inability to use the tongue, and aimless wandering.
now, you; as a student of Scripture; should recognize these symptoms
of those that eat of these brambles and briers
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Redeemed said:
Let me tell you about Paul and the Damascus road Gary.
The sky was clear blue there was no thunderstorm or violent wind then...
“Suddenly about midday a great light flashed from the sky all around me … a light more brilliant than the sun, shining all around me and my traveling companions.” Paul and the others fell to the ground. They were appalled by this phenomenon, not just a flash but sustained light, terrifying and inexplicable. That light was Jesus Gary.
The companions seemed to have stumbled to their feet. Paul remained prostrate. For him alone the light grew in intensity. He heard a voice, at once calm and authoritative, say in Aramaic, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?” He looked up. Within the center of light, which blinded him from his surroundings, he faced a Man of about his own age.
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"He heard a voice, at once calm and authoritative, say in Aramaic, "
Now that is a Mustard
the voice Saul heard was not in the Aramaic
God only speaks to his Chosen
in one Language, and that is not Aramaic
and you will find that in Moses and Prophets
and I'll let you find the other Mustards and Leaven in the posters comments
Seek and you shall find, john
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Gary when did I ever say I follow Paul instead of Jesus? Paul is in apostles he's not the Messiah. The relationship you have with Christ sounds a lot different than Christianity. It's definitely not anything I would want to get into. I'm not here to judge you... your trip is your trip. When we talked before and you told me about your job on the oil rigs you also explained to me what happened to you before Christ came to you in detail. And how you came to your rather unique insights into your relationship with Christ. I'm glad it works for you but trust me I don't need to buy into your trip to have Jesus.Let me tell you the way of Christ in whom I follow the way of. The same God who came to Jesus and opend all His heaven to Jesus is the same One who came to me and did the same. He would come to you to if you would let Him. For His promoice is He will come to you and sup with you and be in you but you follow the way of Paul instead who had other ideas about it.
May I ask why you follow Paul instead of Jesus?
Paul was a self proclaimed apostle. His teachings are of his own nature,. Did you not say that Paul wrote most of your beliefs in a bible?Gary when did I ever say I follow Paul instead of Jesus? Paul is in apostles he's not the Messiah.
My relationship to Christ sounds exactly like Jesus relationship with Christ, Which simply is Gods anointed. Either you are or you are not anointed of God, which is Christ in you or is not in you.The relationship you have with Christ sounds a lot different than Christianity. It's definitely not anything I would want to get into. I
Christianity to you doesn't sound like the way of Christ at all, it sounds like a belief system, a creed, that you adhere to or you would be like Him as God demands of us. .
You are here to judge me that is very obvious.'m not here to judge you...
your trip is your trip. When we talked before and you told me about your job on the oil rigs you also explained to me what happened to you before Christ came to you in detail. And how you came to your rather unique insights into your relationship with Christ.
My trip as you call it is that of Christ. Same trip Jesus took in the Father himself.
I agree with you, you have no intent into buying that what Jesus said you should be and would be if. Few who actually follow him and find his way to be like him as God demands of us. .I'm glad it works for you but trust me I don't need to buy into your trip to have Jesus.
As far as a unique incite, it is the same incite Jesus received from God in Matt 3:16. It is unique I agree not many actually receive the same from God as Jesus did as they are supposed to .
Im not asking you to buy into anything, God is asking you to receive in you the same as Jesus received in himself from God.