The first living thing could not have come into being by random chance, therefore, God Almighty created all things. Just 1 proof.

[BMS]

I think this says all we need to know about your position. Based on your christian beliefs you oppose transexuals existence and no amount of evidence will change your mind. Despite all the evidence presented you simply repeat the christian-chromosomes-only theory. Now I ask you if chromosomes could be changed will you admit transexuals exist and you change to the christian-gametes-only theory. You don’t care what the evidence is you are here to prove christianity right not anything about sexuality. I am basically done here. The evidence has proven you are wrong. You never once provided any reason to believe sex was binary, other than a completely absurd baseless assertion that it had something to do with binary number systems.

In any case Richard Dawkins stated on Twitter April 12, 2021:
“I do not intend to disparage trans people. I see that my academic “Discuss” question has been misconstrued as such and I deplore this. It was also not my intent to ally in any way with Republican bigots in US now exploiting this issue.”

So apparently he believes trans people exist and he doesn’t want to disparage them.

The American Psychological Association
states “There is no single explanation for why some people are transgender. The diversity of transgender expression and experiences argues against any simple or unitary explanation. Many experts believe that biological factors such as genetic influences and prenatal hormone levels, early experiences, and experiences later in adolescence or adulthood may all contribute to the development of transgender identities.”

So the APA states that transgender people exist.

The Endocrine Society one of the world’s premiere professional, international medical organizations in the field of endocrinology and metabolism, founded in 1916 states:

“Emerging science shows that gender identity has a durable biological underpinning that needs to be considered in policy decisions. Our position statement and Clinical Practice Guideline are setting the tone of the debate. As thought leaders on gender incongruence, we want to ensure transgender individuals have equal access to medical care and insurance coverage. We also are pushing for additional research into transgender health and treatment options.”

So the Endocrine Society states not only do transgender people exist but there is a “durable biological underpinning” that explains it. You said you based your beliefs on biology, didn’t you?

Wether you like it or not transexuals are here to stay. The science proves that there are medical reasons people are transexual and all around the world sociologists are studying gender roles and the non-binary gender spectrum.

Christianity loses again. I actually hope you continue with your faith-based culture wars because you are losing terribly and every time you lose you concede more ground to the opposition. It is actually great for atheists as we stand by and watch you self-destruct. According to

Pew Research "Most U.S. Christian Groups Grow More Accepting Of Homosexuality

“Acceptance of homosexuality is rising across the broad spectrum of American Christianity, including among members of churches that strongly oppose homosexual relationships as sinful, according to an extensive Pew Research Center survey of U.S. religious beliefs and practices.

Amid a changing religious landscape that has seen a declining percentage of Americans who identify as Christian, a majority of U.S. Christians (54%) now say that homosexuality should be accepted, rather than discouraged, by society. While this is still considerably lower than the shares of religiously unaffiliated people (83%) and members of non-Christian faiths (76%) who say the same, the Christian figure has increased by 10 percentage points since we conducted a similar study in 2007. It reflects a growing acceptance of homosexuality among all Americans – from 50% to 62% – during the same period.”

So not only are even the most evangelical christians now accepting LGBT, but people are leaving christianity altogether and becoming atheists because of your views on LGBT. Keep up the great work. Thanks.

It shows your anti Christian sentiments, but you are right that we are seeing a turning away from the faith, in the west. That is because many are not being taught the truth either through ignorance or fear.
As to the latter we see the likes of you and vibise spouting half truth propaganda and the majority of people dont spend time investigating to spot the lies and weasel words deceptions.

 

[Temujin]

Biology shows that is a lie.

Wrong. Biology is one of the long list of things that you are persistently wrong about.

 

[BMS]

You have not shown why this is relevant, let alone important. You have not shown why this should outweigh all the other science quoted by PA. Most importantly, you have not shown why chromosomes should determine how a person should live their lives. People are not just a bunch of chromosomes.

Been shown. For example please respond to the video I posted a link to, or shut the crap up.

 

[BMS]

It's entirely possible that the genetic influences that promote homosexuality and transgender will be uncovered . If and when that happens, will you reverse your position? Will you say to someone, "you must be homosexual because 30 trillion cells in your body never change"?

it is entirely possible that genetic influences that cause lying or selfishness or paedophilia may be uncovered, but that doesnt mean we should promote them.either. It is also quite possible they wont. Your point is irrelevant as far as the impossibility of changing sex is concened.
They have mapped the genome and not found a gene that causes homosexuality but they have two chromosomes that determine biological sex.
You are denying reality with unlikely assumptions

 

[BMS]

Wrong. Biology is one of the long list of things that you are persistently wrong about.

Wrong. Biology is one of the long list of things you are persistently wrong about. Abortion and UK law are two others of yours, and trolling baseless claims are two others.
Trans ideological lies are your biggest trigger

 

[BMS]

Wrong. Biology is one of the long list of things that you are persistently wrong about.

Biological sex is immutable and binary as shown.
Your trans ideology is a lie and being used to abuse children on an unprecidented scale.

 

[BMS]

Just how far the Endocrine establishments have been captured can be seen with the UK one

Endocrine Society celebrates UK Court of Appeal decision to preserve access to gender-affirming care

The Endocrine Society applauded the Court of Appeal’s ruling that transgender and gender diverse teenagers are competent to give consent to treatment to delay puberty.

www.endocrine.org

The Endocrine Society and a coalition of LGBTQ+ youth and reproductive health organizations

 

[BMS]

I say transexuals exist.

Let's see your argument.

I say intersex people exist and those with dysphoria/sex incongruence.
Same thing?

 

[BMS]

I think this says all we need to know about your position. Based on your christian beliefs you oppose transexuals existence and no amount of evidence will change your mind. Despite all the evidence presented you simply repeat the christian-chromosomes-only theory. Now I ask you if chromosomes could be changed will you admit transexuals exist and you change to the christian-gametes-only theory. You don’t care what the evidence is you are here to prove christianity right not anything about sexuality. I am basically done here. The evidence has proven you are wrong. You never once provided any reason to believe sex was binary, other than a completely absurd baseless assertion that it had something to do with binary number systems.

In any case Richard Dawkins stated on Twitter April 12, 2021:
“I do not intend to disparage trans people. I see that my academic “Discuss” question has been misconstrued as such and I deplore this. It was also not my intent to ally in any way with Republican bigots in US now exploiting this issue.”

So apparently he believes trans people exist and he doesn’t want to disparage them.

The American Psychological Association
states “There is no single explanation for why some people are transgender. The diversity of transgender expression and experiences argues against any simple or unitary explanation. Many experts believe that biological factors such as genetic influences and prenatal hormone levels, early experiences, and experiences later in adolescence or adulthood may all contribute to the development of transgender identities.”

So the APA states that transgender people exist.

The Endocrine Society one of the world’s premiere professional, international medical organizations in the field of endocrinology and metabolism, founded in 1916 states:

“Emerging science shows that gender identity has a durable biological underpinning that needs to be considered in policy decisions. Our position statement and Clinical Practice Guideline are setting the tone of the debate. As thought leaders on gender incongruence, we want to ensure transgender individuals have equal access to medical care and insurance coverage. We also are pushing for additional research into transgender health and treatment options.”

So the Endocrine Society states not only do transgender people exist but there is a “durable biological underpinning” that explains it. You said you based your beliefs on biology, didn’t you?

Wether you like it or not transexuals are here to stay. The science proves that there are medical reasons people are transexual and all around the world sociologists are studying gender roles and the non-binary gender spectrum.

Christianity loses again. I actually hope you continue with your faith-based culture wars because you are losing terribly and every time you lose you concede more ground to the opposition. It is actually great for atheists as we stand by and watch you self-destruct. According to

Pew Research "Most U.S. Christian Groups Grow More Accepting Of Homosexuality

“Acceptance of homosexuality is rising across the broad spectrum of American Christianity, including among members of churches that strongly oppose homosexual relationships as sinful, according to an extensive Pew Research Center survey of U.S. religious beliefs and practices.

Amid a changing religious landscape that has seen a declining percentage of Americans who identify as Christian, a majority of U.S. Christians (54%) now say that homosexuality should be accepted, rather than discouraged, by society. While this is still considerably lower than the shares of religiously unaffiliated people (83%) and members of non-Christian faiths (76%) who say the same, the Christian figure has increased by 10 percentage points since we conducted a similar study in 2007. It reflects a growing acceptance of homosexuality among all Americans – from 50% to 62% – during the same period.”

So not only are even the most evangelical christians now accepting LGBT, but people are leaving christianity altogether and becoming atheists because of your views on LGBT. Keep up the great work. Thanks.

Opinion | The Endocrine Society’s Dangerous Transgender Politicization

Members we spoke with take exception to the group’s guidelines on ‘gender-affirming care.’

www.wsj.com

Btw what Dawkins called insanity was not people but your ideology. You think a person's identity is how they feel without including what they are. That is delusion.

 

[BMS]

I think this says all we need to know about your position. Based on your christian beliefs you oppose transexuals existence and no amount of evidence will change your mind. Despite all the evidence presented you simply repeat the christian-chromosomes-only theory. Now I ask you if chromosomes could be changed will you admit transexuals exist and you change to the christian-gametes-only theory. You don’t care what the evidence is you are here to prove christianity right not anything about sexuality. I am basically done here. The evidence has proven you are wrong. You never once provided any reason to believe sex was binary, other than a completely absurd baseless assertion that it had something to do with binary number systems.

In any case Richard Dawkins stated on Twitter April 12, 2021:
“I do not intend to disparage trans people. I see that my academic “Discuss” question has been misconstrued as such and I deplore this. It was also not my intent to ally in any way with Republican bigots in US now exploiting this issue.”

So apparently he believes trans people exist and he doesn’t want to disparage them.

The American Psychological Association
states “There is no single explanation for why some people are transgender. The diversity of transgender expression and experiences argues against any simple or unitary explanation. Many experts believe that biological factors such as genetic influences and prenatal hormone levels, early experiences, and experiences later in adolescence or adulthood may all contribute to the development of transgender identities.”

So the APA states that transgender people exist.

The Endocrine Society one of the world’s premiere professional, international medical organizations in the field of endocrinology and metabolism, founded in 1916 states:

“Emerging science shows that gender identity has a durable biological underpinning that needs to be considered in policy decisions. Our position statement and Clinical Practice Guideline are setting the tone of the debate. As thought leaders on gender incongruence, we want to ensure transgender individuals have equal access to medical care and insurance coverage. We also are pushing for additional research into transgender health and treatment options.”

So the Endocrine Society states not only do transgender people exist but there is a “durable biological underpinning” that explains it. You said you based your beliefs on biology, didn’t you?

Wether you like it or not transexuals are here to stay. The science proves that there are medical reasons people are transexual and all around the world sociologists are studying gender roles and the non-binary gender spectrum.

Christianity loses again. I actually hope you continue with your faith-based culture wars because you are losing terribly and every time you lose you concede more ground to the opposition. It is actually great for atheists as we stand by and watch you self-destruct. According to

Pew Research "Most U.S. Christian Groups Grow More Accepting Of Homosexuality

“Acceptance of homosexuality is rising across the broad spectrum of American Christianity, including among members of churches that strongly oppose homosexual relationships as sinful, according to an extensive Pew Research Center survey of U.S. religious beliefs and practices.

Amid a changing religious landscape that has seen a declining percentage of Americans who identify as Christian, a majority of U.S. Christians (54%) now say that homosexuality should be accepted, rather than discouraged, by society. While this is still considerably lower than the shares of religiously unaffiliated people (83%) and members of non-Christian faiths (76%) who say the same, the Christian figure has increased by 10 percentage points since we conducted a similar study in 2007. It reflects a growing acceptance of homosexuality among all Americans – from 50% to 62% – during the same period.”

So not only are even the most evangelical christians now accepting LGBT, but people are leaving christianity altogether and becoming atheists because of your views on LGBT. Keep up the great work. Thanks.

Again, what do you mean by lgbt?
If you mean gay is someone with a same sex attraction then do you consider someone with same sex attraction whose identiy is in Christ and knows homosexual acts are wrong, lgbt or Christian?

 

[BMS]

Only in your post. And those of BMS of course, that goes without saying. You have nothing to counteract the well thought out cogent arguments presented . All you can do is call them garbage. I seem to remember you describing this as the last resort of a loser. That's what you are.

A very good summary

https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/2454-A-The-Corrosive-Impact-of-TI-ppi-110-WEB.pdf

Notice all the studies cited.

This is why so many will have nothing to do with your ideology... and acceptance of the lie seems to be a concern for the ideology.

 

[positive atheist]

Again, what do you mean by lgbt?

At this point I don’t really see much point in continuing. You have not presented any reasons to think what you are saying is true and now you are doing nothing more than contradicting what I said. That is not an argument that needs to be opposed. In any case:

Ok so give an example of how it can be done.

OK. A 10 year old male has been consistently claiming for 5 years that he feels like a female. His parents take him to a psychologist. He is diagnosed as transgender. He starts taking cross sex hormones. He goes through a female puberty which causes him to become a female in every way except for genitals and chromosomes. When she is 20 she decides to have sex reassignment surgery, which is successful. She is now 99.5% female. She identifies herself as a female. She has a female name. She behaves as a female. She fits into female gender roles. Other people automatically assume she is a female. The only things about her that are not female are she has neither a male nor female reproductive system, and she has XY chromosomes. But these XY chromosomes are NOT being manifested in any way. You CANNOT point to even one way in which the XY chromosomes are being manifested. The chromosomes are literally totally irrelevant because they make absolutely no difference. She is a female. Medication and surgery and therapy has made her a female and the XY chromosomes have become entirely irrelevant. She is now a female and should be treated as such.

That is because you deny biological sex for lying insane trans ideology.

The biological sex has been changed from male to female. The chromosomes have been rendered entirely irrelevant. Medical intervention has made the XY chromosomes inconsequential and trivial. She has a normal female phenotype. She has normal female hormone levels. She engages in normal female behaviors and roles. She thinks like a female. She is recognized as a female. She self-identifies as a female. She biologically is a female. That is not a lie. That is the facts.

People like myself are educating others to reject it at every instance.

And I hope you keep doing it because you are failing miserably. More that half of all US christians now say LGBT should be accepted. Maybe one Sunday morning at church you will be standing next to a homosexual couple holding hands. Or maybe your pastor will be a transwoman. It is embarrassing to admit it but LGBT people have done more to turn christians into atheists than we atheists have. And people like you are helping them.

What do you think the captured US endocrine society is referring to when they say 'gender' ??? Endocrine is hormones and glands, right? So not social construct, or behaviour or any of the things you suggested was 'gender'
All the institutions are either captured or fighting over 'trans' ideology.

I’ve already explained gender numerous times. The Endocrine Society must take gender into account because sex is not purely biological. It is in part due to endocrinologists that males can biologically change to females, so how could they ignore gender?

It shows your anti Christian sentiments, but you are right that we are seeing a turning away from the faith, in the west. That is because many are not being taught the truth either through ignorance or fear.
As to the latter we see the likes of you and vibise spouting half truth propaganda and the majority of people dont spend time investigating to spot the lies and weasel words deceptions.

People are turning away from the faith because it is both false and harmful. Decent people are realizing it is not OK to murder, beat, criminalize, harass, or discriminate against innocent homosexuals and transexuals, as christians have been doing for centuries. I fully admit to being opposed to christianity. I don’t need to “expose” it. My name is “positive atheist”. Did you think I was pro christianity?

Endocrine Society celebrates UK Court of Appeal decision to preserve access to gender-affirming care

Great!! Good for them. These people are clinicians. That means real people having trouble come to them looking for help. The clinicians have to come up with real life solutions, not fake religious pronouncements. The Endocrine Society has not been “captured”. They are doing what they can to help people in need, despite you trying to stop them. Hopefully they will utterly ignore christians and do whatever they can to provide gender-affirming care.

The Endocrine Societies Dangerous Transgender Politicization

I don’t totally disagree with that. Obviously we don’t want to treat children for transsexualism if they are not transexuals. Just like we don’t want to give them heart surgery if they don’t need it. Why would you think I would disagree with that? I know! Because you think I am some sort of “trans activist” who is trying to get everyone in the world to switch genders.

Again, what do you mean by lgbt?
If you mean gay is someone with a same sex attraction then do you consider someone with same sex attraction whose identiy is in Christ and knows homosexual acts are wrong, lgbt or Christian?

I guess a person could be both LGBT and a christian. I think that would be a big mistake because it will likely create a huge amount of self hatred and shame. If a person is LGBT and wants to go for conversion therapy I think that is a huge mistake but I would never say they should be prevented. It is not up to me to run other people’s lives.

 

[BMS]

At this point I don’t really see much point in continuing.

Then dont mention male/female or man/woman in future, this is a debating forum, not your blog

You have not presented any reasons to think what you are saying is true

Then you are denying biology. I have presented loads of evidence. For example the video link.
Your remark is disingenuous. Indeed not only have I presented evidence, and responded to yours, you haven't even responded to mine

OK. A 10 year old male has been consistently claiming for 5 years that he feels like a female.

79-94% of children with dysphoria no longer do so by the end of puberty

His parents take him to a psychologist.

He should be taken to a psychiatrist, not a psychologist. A psychiatrist has trained as a medical doctor, a psychologist hasn't.

He is diagnosed as transgender.

child abuse then. He may have dysphoria though. If he had been referred to NHS GIDS professionals before transactivists it would be watch and wait until after puberty. Your attitude is why the NHS GIDS was shut down, and you and Temujin and co are still peddling the harm

He starts taking cross sex hormones.

At 10??? child abuse.

He goes through a female puberty

he cant go through female puberty because he is male. you deny biology

which causes him to become a female

He cant. The question was how could it possible, not what you are dreaming

in every way except for genitals and chromosomes.

Nope, genitals and chromosomes determines sex, not you imagining things about young boys.

When she is 20

when he is 20

she decides

he decides

to have sex reassignment surgery, which is successful.

I don't call the results, namely bleeding, infection, poor healing of incisions, hematoma, nerve injury, stenosis of the vagina, injury to the urinary tract, abnormal connections between the urethra and the skin, painful intercourse etc, and infertility, successful. Only 35% of people even have any mental health outcomes. I suggest that almost all who say they do are too far into the mistake to be humble enough to admit it

She is now 99.5% female.

he is 0% female. Female is the biological sex and determined by the chromosomes and gametes and NOT the raving lunatics retarded imagination of transactivists.

She identifies herself as a female.

He is male.

She has a female name.

Ok so he has chosen a female name

She behaves as a female.

Nope, female is the biological sex, he cant behave as a female, what you mean is he behaves like a woman, as much as he can

She fits into female gender roles.

What does that mean? He does the dishes, the washing and makes the beds??

Other people automatically assume she is a female.

And many other people are either deceived or recognise he is male.

The only things about her

him

that are not female

None of him is female

are she has neither a male nor female reproductive system,

What was the surgery then? Have they removed his penis and scrotum and left him with nothing there?

and she has XY chromosomes.

he has XY chromosomes. The question to you was how can the chromosomes be changed. All you have done is claim chromosomes aren't important, which means you are denying biology.

But these XY chromosomes are NOT being manifested in any way.

The X and Y chromosomes already determined his sex. That was the question to you because that is biological sex.

You CANNOT point to even one way in which the XY chromosomes are being manifested.

except that he is male because of the chromosomes. QED

She is a female.

He is male. the biology determines the sex not your wild imagination and transactivist ideology

Medication and surgery and therapy has made her a female and the XY chromosomes have become entirely irrelevant.

The X and Y chromosomes determine the sex, not your wild imagination.

She is now a female and should be treated as such.

he is still male and should be treated as such, though one may acknowledge he tries to live as best he can as a woman.

The biological sex has been changed from male to female.

No it hasnt, you have just denied the biology. All you have claimed is what you think, opposed to the reality that exists

She biologically is a female.

nope, he is male.
[quote That is not a lie. That is the facts.[/quote] its a lie. The fact is biological sex is determined by chromosomes and gametes. All you have done is imagine it isnt and deny biology

And I hope you keep doing it because you are failing miserably.

You are failing miserably and aiding and abetting child abuse having just set out child abuse before us.

I guess a person could be both LGBT and a christian.

So you cant answer the question. I know they cant

 

[BMS]

This means that trans ideology is denying biological sex and presenting an imaginary world. the only way to get that accepted is to force it on people, which they are doing by capturing organisations, silencing objectors, preventing funding, educating the young and refusing to tell the parents, and playing the disgusting victim and hate card.

 

[positive atheist]

Then dont mention male/female or man/woman in future, this is a debating forum, not your blog


Then you are denying biology. I have presented loads of evidence. For example the video link.
Your remark is disingenuous. Indeed not only have I presented evidence, and responded to yours, you haven't even responded to mine

79-94% of children with dysphoria no longer do so by the end of puberty


He should be taken to a psychiatrist, not a psychologist. A psychiatrist has trained as a medical doctor, a psychologist hasn't.

child abuse then. He may have dysphoria though. If he had been referred to NHS GIDS professionals before transactivists it would be watch and wait until after puberty. Your attitude is why the NHS GIDS was shut down, and you and Temujin and co are still peddling the harm


At 10??? child abuse.

he cant go through female puberty because he is male. you deny biology

He cant. The question was how could it possible, not what you are dreaming

Nope, genitals and chromosomes determines sex, not you imagining things about young boys.


when he is 20

he decides

I don't call the results, namely bleeding, infection, poor healing of incisions, hematoma, nerve injury, stenosis of the vagina, injury to the urinary tract, abnormal connections between the urethra and the skin, painful intercourse etc, and infertility, successful. Only 35% of people even have any mental health outcomes. I suggest that almost all who say they do are too far into the mistake to be humble enough to admit it


he is 0% female. Female is the biological sex and determined by the chromosomes and gametes and NOT the raving lunatics retarded imagination of transactivists.

He is male.

Ok so he has chosen a female name

Nope, female is the biological sex, he cant behave as a female, what you mean is he behaves like a woman, as much as he can

What does that mean? He does the dishes, the washing and makes the beds??


And many other people are either deceived or recognise he is male.

him

None of him is female

What was the surgery then? Have they removed his penis and scrotum and left him with nothing there?


he has XY chromosomes. The question to you was how can the chromosomes be changed. All you have done is claim chromosomes aren't important, which means you are denying biology.


The X and Y chromosomes already determined his sex. That was the question to you because that is biological sex.

except that he is male because of the chromosomes. QED

He is male. the biology determines the sex not your wild imagination and transactivist ideology

The X and Y chromosomes determine the sex, not your wild imagination.

he is still male and should be treated as such, though one may acknowledge he tries to live as best he can as a woman.


No it hasnt, you have just denied the biology. All you have claimed is what you think, opposed to the reality that exists

nope, he is male.
[quote That is not a lie. That is the facts.

Then dont mention male/female or man/woman in future, this is a debating forum, not your blog

I’ll continue to mention male, female, transwomen, transmen, androgynous, intersex, and everyone else on the gender binary spectrum.

Then you are denying biology. I have presented loads of evidence. For example the video link.
Your remark is disingenuous. Indeed not only have I presented evidence, and responded to yours, you haven't even responded to mine

Your video is not evidence. Neither is the PDF. I am not going to watch a 45 minute video, track down all the research and researchers, and do what? Post it here and then argue against myself? I am not your research assistant. You watch the video and read the 109 page PDF, you do the research, YOU present it here and explain it. Otherwise it counts as nothing.

79-94% of children with dysphoria no longer do so by the end of puberty

I totally disagree with your numbers. But I completely agree we don’t want to be giving gender affirming care to children who are not transexual. This study from Cedar Sinai Hospital

Most Gender Dysphoria Established by Age 7…..Cedars-Sinai Research Reveals Health Impact on Transgender People from Lack of Early Support and Intervention. The findings also reveal that untreated gender dysphoria can result in poor quality of life for transgender people, beginning in childhood and lasting throughout adolescence and adulthood.

Boston Children's Hospital says

Gender dysphoria occurs when there is a conflict between the sex you were assigned at birth and the gender with which you identify. This can create significant distress and can make you feel uncomfortable in your body. People with gender dysphoria may want to change the way that they express their gender. This may mean changing the way they dress, transitioning socially (using the pronouns and public bathroom associated with their affirmed gender), transitioning medically or surgically, or some combination of these.

This nonsensical hysteria that you and other christians express is ridiculous. Typical christian deranged behavior. You make it sound like almost all children have gender dysphoria and we are running around like idiots trying to give almost all children puberty blockers. Typical christian unhinged behavior. Nobody wants to give gender affirming care to children who are not transexual. Almost all children will never exhibit gender dysphoria. Out of the minority that do a good knowledgeable doctor can determine which ones are just expressing atypical gender behavior and which ones are actually transgender and need to start treatment.

I also question if people who believe in and talk to invisible beings should be telling us how to run our health care system.

He should be taken to a psychiatrist, not a psychologist. A psychiatrist has trained as a medical doctor, a psychologist hasn't.

A psychologist trained in gender affirming care can tell the difference between atypical gender behavior and transgender. Such a psychologist is preferred over a psychiatrist with no transgender experience.

child abuse then. He may have dysphoria though. If he had been referred to NHS GIDS professionals before transactivists it would be watch and wait until after puberty. Your attitude is why the NHS GIDS was shut down, and you and Temujin and co are still peddling the harm

Most kids never express any gender issues so for most it is irrelevant. Any good doctor can tell wether a 10 year old is simply a little gender atypical or actually transgender. NOT giving gender affirming care to kids who actually need it will ruin their lives. Giving them the care will save them. I would never support giving puberty blockers to kids who don’t need them just like I oppose giving insulin to kids who are not diabetic.

Continued.......

 

[positive atheist]

At 10??? child abuse.

No. Getting a transgender child on cross sex hormones BEFORE puberty is a very critical part of their care as it makes a huge difference in the outcome of their medical care.

I can’t help but notice the irony of you babbling about child abuse (actually appropriate medical care). Aren’t you christians the ones who say hitting a child is good parenting? You want to talk abuse? How many children have been beaten with a rod because your book told them to?

he cant go through female puberty because he is male. you deny biology

Wrong. If a prepubescent male takes testosterone blockers and estrogen he will go through female puberty and become a female. That is biology.

He cant. The question was how could it possible, not what you are dreaming

A prepubescent male going through female puberty makes her female and their chromosomes become irrelevant. Testosterone blockers will nullify the effects of XY chromosomes and the chromosomes become a non-issue. She may as well not have XY chromosomes as they make no difference. Chromosomes are irrelevant.

Nope, genitals and chromosomes determines sex, not you imagining things about young boys.

I don’t “imagine” things about young boys. With modern medicine, genitals can be surgically changed and chromosomes can be made irrelevant. It is completely irrelevant if the person has XY chromosomes when they have blood estrogen levels of a female. A person who identifies as female and has female traits is a female. Chromosomes and gametes make no difference whatsoever.

when he is 20

No. She. A person with an almost entirely female body who thinks of herself as a female is referred to correctly as “she”.

I don't call the results, namely bleeding, infection, poor healing of incisions, hematoma, nerve injury, stenosis of the vagina, injury to the urinary tract, abnormal connections between the urethra and the skin, painful intercourse etc, and infertility, successful. Only 35% of people even have any mental health outcomes. I suggest that almost all who say they do are too far into the mistake to be humble enough to admit it

Once again you are raving hysterically. Most sex reassignment surgery is very successful. I will agree though that many doctors who do sex reassignment surgery are not being up front with patients about the possible outcomes and complications. We are talking here about a major surgery that is irreversible. Patients should be fully informed. There needs to be more stringent regulations and more education about SRS.

This NIH study from the Journal Of Plastic And Reconstructive Surgery states:

This research review published in the Journal Of Plastic And Reconstructive Surgery found that less than 1% of people who undergo gender-affirming surgery regret the decision. Success rates for gender-affirming surgery were over 99%.

Success rates for SRS are over 99%.

he is 0% female. Female is the biological sex and determined by the chromosomes and gametes and NOT the raving lunatics retarded imagination of transactivists.

The fact that you don’t like the biological reality of sex change doesn’t make it untrue. Biological sex has almost nothing to do with chromosomes and gametes. A male who takes cross sex hormones and has SRS will be nearly 100% female. Any effects of XY chromosomes will be nullified by testosterone blockers and estrogen will cause female development. SRS will change the genitalia. Gametes are irrelevant.

What was the surgery then? Have they removed his penis and scrotum and left him with nothing there?

Are you serious?? I am having an argument about transexuals with a person who does not know what sex reassignment surgery is.

he has XY chromosomes. The question to you was how can the chromosomes be changed. All you have done is claim chromosomes aren't important, which means you are denying biology.

No, she has XY chromosomes. Testosterone blockers make the XY chromosomes irrelevant. The XY chromosomes never manifest themselves into male traits. So the fact that they are there has no bearing on anything.

The X and Y chromosomes already determined his sex. That was the question to you because that is biological sex.

The biological sex was changed. The effects of XY chromosomes are blocked by hormone treatment. Estrogen therapy causes secondary female traits. SRS changes the genitalia. The result is a former male who is now almost 100% female.

except that he is male because of the chromosomes.

You mean the chromosomes that make no difference whatsoever because they are blocked by hormone therapy?

He is male. the biology determines the sex not your wild imagination and transactivist ideology

She is female. I am not a transactivist. Her XY chromosomes have been blocked by hormone therapy. She has typically female estrogen levels. She is phenotypically female. She is a transexual woman.

he is still male and should be treated as such, though one may acknowledge he tries to live as best he can as a woman.

A person that is 99.5% female should be treated as a female, addressed as a female, and not be harassed and ridiculed by christians. Stop bullying innocent people.

You are failing miserably and aiding and abetting child abuse having just set out child abuse before us.

That is a disgusting lie. Getting children the health care they urgently need is not child abuse.

So you cant answer the question. I know they cant

I didn’t watch the stupid video. I am not here to make your argument for you. I am not your research assistant. You posting 45 minute rambling video is not evidence. If a person wants to be LGBT and christian I guess that is their business. You do the research, you find your evidence, you DON'T tell me to look it up for you. I'll watch a 3 or 5 minute video and answer 1 point, but I am not here to help you try to make sense of your non-argument.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

No …

You fallen into insanity. Read the Bible.

 

[Temujin]

You fallen into insanity. Read the Bible.

No he hasn't. Read his post. I guarantee you haven't done so. You are running scared of the truth.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

No he hasn't. Read his post. I guarantee you haven't done so. You are running scared of the truth.

What existed before the Big Bang?

 

[Temujin]

What existed before the Big Bang?

Running away again. I know that you haven't read PA's posts because you haven't read the posts explaining the stupidity of asking this question. Clearly, you would rather look stupid than risk having your mind changed.