The first living thing could not have come into being by random chance, therefore, God Almighty created all things. Just 1 proof.

[positive atheist]

This means that trans ideology is denying biological sex and presenting an imaginary world. the only way to get that accepted is to force it on people, which they are doing by capturing organisations, silencing objectors, preventing funding, educating the young and refusing to tell the parents, and playing the disgusting victim and hate card.

This is the standard anti-sex hatred we have come to expect from these monsters. Christianity and islam together have destroyed sexual freedom in many places around the world. We have to see all this not as one instance but as just another instance of their ongoing war against sexual minorities and sexuality in general. Homosexuality was somewhat accepted in ancient Greece and Rome so christians couldn't really start stoking the fires of hatred until about the 13th and 14th centuries. At that time they were in cahoots with christian monarchs and got anti LGBT laws passed for which the penalty was death or long imprisonment. After the murder of many innocent people, this moderated over the centuries as christianity lost power and anti LGBT hatred was brought to the new world. In colonial America "sodomy laws" which were almost never used against christian heterosexual couples, had death as the penalty. Prior to 1962 sodomy was a felony in every state in america. In 1950 New York State reduced the penalty for sodomy to 20 year in prison. There was no such thing as a "transexual" back then so laws made it illegal to be a transvestite. In the 1950s many gay and transexual people were minding there own business, finding nightclubs and such places to meet and just socializing. But the police didn't like this so they would raid these places, arrest the patrons, put them on trial, and jail them. So after centuries of brutal vicious attacks, the death penalty, beatings, jail, harassment, and discrimination the tide is slowly turning and christian are not being allowed to victimize innocent LGBT people. They are in a rage about this and thus we have the above appalling statement by BMS where he pretends that christians are the true victims in this and that LGBT people are "playing the disgusting victim and hate card."

Appalling.

 

[mikeT]

This is the standard anti-sex hatred we have come to expect from these monsters.

The anti-sex hatred is itself a denial of biological sex - something BMS gets very flustered about.

 

[positive atheist]

The anti-sex hatred is itself a denial of biological sex - something BMS gets very flustered about.

Excellent point. Biological sex would include all the varieties of human sexuality (except of course any that violated other people's rights), but he is opposed to all of them except god-approved sex.

I sometimes wonder how the world would be different either without christianity and islam, or if they were both uninterested in sexuality as are many eastern religions. How less neurotic, how happier, how more fulfilled, how freer people would be? What would our society be like if sexual minorities, homosexuals, trans people, simply went about their lives, no one noticed, and no one cared? I've seen transexuals out in public. It never bothered me. I wasn't afraid. It certainly didn't violate my rights in any way. I was still free to engage in heterosexual sex, raise a family if I wanted to. It did me no harm at all.

The funny thing is people like BMS often say they are for "smaller government". How are you going to enforce god-approved sex with smaller government? Do they want a federal agent in every bedroom? Maybe that should be their political slogan. I really am for smaller government. I don't need politicians, pastors, or BMS telling me how I'm allowed to have sex.

There was an interesting book I read years ago, maybe you've heard of it, The Mass Psychology Of Fascism. I don't agree with everything in it but I always noticed that fascist/authoritarian regimes were always sexually repressive, and sexually repressive societies are always fascist/authoritarian. There are no countries where people are sexually free but live in political repression. I often times think the same goes for religion. There is nothing more dictatorial than a god who supervises your inner personal thoughts and follows you into the afterlife to punish you, and this goes hand in hand with massive religious sexual repression. It makes sense that these people would feel fear, shame, anxiety, and guilt about their own sexual urges and project it outward into things like out-group hostility and hell. I have noticed that christians seem to have an odd, almost creepy obsession with other people's sex lives, especially sexual minorities.

The book says:

Suppression of the natural sexuality in the child, particularly of its genital sexuality, makes the child apprehensive, shy, obedient, afraid of authority, good and adjusted in the authoritarian sense; it paralyzes the rebellious forces because any rebellion is laden with anxiety; it produces, by inhibiting sexual curiosity and sexual thinking in the child, a general inhibition of thinking and of critical faculties. In brief, the goal of sexual suppression is that of producing an individual who is adjusted to the authoritarian order and who will submit to it in spite of all misery and degradation.

It comes as no surprise that oppressive religions are also sexually repressive. You are right that "BMS gets very flustered about." discussing all this stuff. But why? I don't get flustered about it. I don't like the bullying and violence but the sexuality part doesn't bother me at all. The truth is I rarely think about it. Does something about all this bring up something in BMS that he doesn't want to face? Do religions use sexual repression to create obedience?

We can only guess. Your point is well taken.

 

[BMS]

You have forgotten again, haven't you. I refer to the answer I gave a few moments ago.

No answer to the questions, only the same old response 'I've answered it'

 

[BMS]

Your memory lapses are becoming more frequent. You perhaps need to be reminded that so far you have lost every argument, despite trying every technique in your rather thin playbook at least five times.

Still no answer

 

[BMS]

By contrast, YECism is deader.


Did God create himself? If not, then he didn't create all.


Faith-based mantras are for people who don't care about the Truth.

Woke based ideologies are for people who hate the truth and reality

 

[BMS]

The anti-sex hatred is itself a denial of biological sex - something BMS gets very flustered about.

Everyone should get flusteted about lies.
.. especially when the anti truth hatred is used for child abuse.

 

[BMS]

Excellent point.

useless point

Biological sex would include all the varieties of human sexuality .

it doesnt. You transactivists are trying to change the science to imagination rather than empirical evidence... and thus child abuse.

We can only guess. Your point is well taken.

we can see how dangerous your woke ideology extremist marxism is.
Presented with the links to science and other posters telling you the same, you resort to baseless personal attacks.

Trans ideology is soon to become history. How upset will you be. How upset are you now when more and more people are calling it out for the insanity it is.
Your ideology is mentally retarded hatred

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1708464724243861817

 

[BMS]

This is the standard anti-sex hatred we have come to expect from these monsters. Christianity and islam together have destroyed sexual freedom in many places around the world. We have to see all this not as one instance but as just another instance of their ongoing war against sexual minorities and sexuality in general. Homosexuality was somewhat accepted in ancient Greece and Rome so christians couldn't really start stoking the fires of hatred until about the 13th and 14th centuries. At that time they were in cahoots with christian monarchs and got anti LGBT laws passed for which the penalty was death or long imprisonment. After the murder of many innocent people, this moderated over the centuries as christianity lost power and anti LGBT hatred was brought to the new world. In colonial America "sodomy laws" which were almost never used against christian heterosexual couples, had death as the penalty. Prior to 1962 sodomy was a felony in every state in america. In 1950 New York State reduced the penalty for sodomy to 20 year in prison. There was no such thing as a "transexual" back then so laws made it illegal to be a transvestite. In the 1950s many gay and transexual people were minding there own business, finding nightclubs and such places to meet and just socializing. But the police didn't like this so they would raid these places, arrest the patrons, put them on trial, and jail them. So after centuries of brutal vicious attacks, the death penalty, beatings, jail, harassment, and discrimination the tide is slowly turning and christian are not being allowed to victimize innocent LGBT people. They are in a rage about this and thus we have the above appalling statement by BMS where he pretends that christians are the true victims in this and that LGBT people are "playing the disgusting victim and hate card."

Appalling.

Appalling. Biological sex is observable reality. It doesnt change for your imagination however much you hate people

 

[BMS]

The anti-sex hatred is itself a denial of biological sex

Biological sex is a denial of biological sex. Wow.
You and positive atheist cant even communicate with atheist evolutionary biologists.

How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak the same language?

In the culture wars, hypersensitivity and accusations of ‘hate’ risk leading us into an Orwellian future

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Temujin]

AOS is dead. God created all. Proven 5x with more coming.

Let me give you a hint. You don't damage evolution by asking questions that it cannot yet answer. We know that we know very little about the very early life on earth. We know that only a small fraction of the totality of species is represented in the fossil record. Questions not yet answered are no problem. What you need to do is tackle the questions that evolution does answer, and then, using science, show that those answers are wrong. You need to tackle the nested hierarchy and show that it doesn't exist or that it doesn't follow from evolution. You need to explain the great extinctions such as Snowball Earth and the Chixalub meteorite, their known dates and the effects they had on the biology of earth. You need to grasp the genetic studies of the rate of mutation and change and how they can be used to determine relationships between species. Most of all, you need to come up with a reason why evolution would not happen, since given imperfect replication and a changing environment, evolution is as inevitable as entropy or water flowing down hill.

If I wanted to try to disprove the Bible, which I'm not particularly interested in doing, I wouldn't do so be asking "killer " questions such as "Did Jesus have a mole on his body, and if so where?". Of course, we know the reason that you and other YECs footle about in the inconsequential backwaters of evolution rather than tackling the heart of it. The first is that you haven't the skill set. Every person on the planet who knows enough about evolution to try and undermine it, knows enough that to try this is futile since they accept evolution. The second reason is that there are no such attack lines, since evolution is true beyond reasonable doubt. It fits all the evidence we have and all that we can conceive of. You are farting against thunder.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

… , since evolution is true beyond reasonable doubt.…

So you you do not know for sure.

 

[Whatsisface]

Appalling. Biological sex is observable reality. It doesnt change for your imagination however much you hate people

Not that I want you to stop talking about whatever you want, but isn't there a more appropriate section of the forum to talk about trans issues than the atheism section?

 

[Whatsisface]

So you you do not know for sure.

For all practical purposes yes, we know for sure. There are some who hold that in a strict logical sense we can't know anything for sure.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

For all practical purposes yes, we know for sure. There are some who hold that in a strict logical sense we can't know anything for sure.

So since yiu know for sure,
what was the first living creature?
what caused the Big Bang?

 

[BMS]

since evolution is true beyond reasonable doubt.

This is the problem, it isn't.

 

[BMS]

For all practical purposes yes, we know for sure. There are some who hold that in a strict logical sense we can't know anything for sure.

We don't as we can see from the debate.

 

[Temujin]

So you you do not know for sure.

When a judge explains the concept of beyond reasonable doubt to a jury, they say that it means that you are sure. As far as evolution is concerned, I am as sure as I can be. I am as sure as I am of anything, that the sun will rise tomorrow. That's what beyond reasonable doubt means.

 

[BMS]

Not that I want you to stop talking about whatever you want, but isn't there a more appropriate section of the forum to talk about trans issues than the atheism section?

Note that I dont make such comments about you wanting to talk about whatever you want. Trump, evolution, Christianity and several other topics come up on all kinds of threads, yet we always have objections to 'trans' ideology being refuted.
As I said, and as Dawkins pointed out, as soon as anyone who objects to criticism of 'trans' ideology mentions men/women, male/female, its already in the debate. Also since 'trans' ideology denies biology, anyone who objects to criticism of 'trans' ideology who mentions science is also inviting the topic

 

[Temujin]

Not that I want you to stop talking about whatever you want, but isn't there a more appropriate section of the forum to talk about trans issues than the atheism section?

He talks about it everywhere, abortion, evolution, secular media, conspiracy theories. They all are dominated by trans issues in the mind of the monomaniac.