fltom said:
faith is a necessary cause of salvation
Josheb You have yet to evidence that with any explicit statement found in scripture. You have been asked to do exactly that for more than a week and have uniformly failed to do just that or acknowledge it cannot be done. What you have done instead is demonstrate exactly what I said happens: the inferential reading of proof-texting that ignores what is in fact explicitly stated.
False the verses are below
your only response is "no they don't"
Bald denial Josheb that is all you offer
The following is an example:
fltom said:
as you cannot be saved without it according to God's design
John 3:16–18 (KJV 1900) — 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV 1900) — 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
1 John 5:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
God alone is the necessary and sufficient cause of Life
BTW you never did answer the question how does one entrust oneself to another without volition
Josheb
Not a single scripture quoted actually states, "Faith is a necessary cause of salvation"!!!!!
The fact that those who do not believe cannot be saved does so quite easily
Did you address a single verse?
Can one show one can be saved without faith
We know you did not even try
No it is not is not a rebuttal Josheb
Josheb
In an attempt to disprove what I posted pages ago you've paradoxically proved it so.
Your denial of the obvious only proves you will not accept truth. You did not address a single verse,
Can you be saved without faith?
Is there a single verses which states you can?
Certainly you have not produced one
It appears you frame your argument and expect thebible will answer in the manner you choose or you will not consider what theverses do say
Sorry Josheb but no they don't is not an argument
Josheb
Under other, more ordinary circumstances, we (the posters in collective assembly in this op) might be able to discuss how and why it is synergists make their case inferentially without a foundation of explicit scripture but that won't be happening with you. You don't seem capable. Want to prove otherwise? Then just answer the question asked.
There were many. you just ignored them and claimed no they don't
In fact that has been your methodology in every single post
Don't consider what the verses state just note they do not iuse the language in the manner you framed
That is not sound argumentation Josheb
Josheb
Can I be provided with an explicit example in scripture of scripture itself ever explicitly stating any causal relationship between the unregenerate's volition and his own salvation, and if there is no such verse will that absence be acknowledged?
You ignored the question you were asked Josheb
Can you entrust yourself to something or someone without an act of the will?
no answer was forthcoming but then you have provided no answers to any of the scriptures
and A bald No they don't is not credible argumentation
four verses were given i could have given more but you would not address those either
John 3:16–18 (KJV 1900) — 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV 1900) — 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
1 John 5:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
those who believe are saved
those who do not believe are not saved
that in itself shows the causal necessity of faith
Only someone who has a need to avoid this fact will deny it
but that is what you have done