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TomFL
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Sorry you have not been able to prove any such thing
Your claims are simply false
If you believe otherwise point out what has been ignored
Baseless claims are easy to make
Prove your claim
Your claims are simply false
If you believe otherwise point out what has been ignored
Baseless claims are easy to make
Prove your claim
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brightfame52
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The Gospel is hidden to them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3
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TomFL
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You mean those that are perishing having rejected truth
that is not all
as pointed out in 1Cor 1:21
1 Corinthians 1:21 (ASV)
21 For seeing that in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom knew not God, it was God's good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
and in the 13 reasons which remain mostly unaddressed
Preaching the Gospel !
Grace is antecedent in the preservation of the saints ! Ps 37:28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. The saints are preserved forever, that is their spiritual interest in Christ. Now it is a...
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brightfame52
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The Gospel is hidden to them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3
Already addressed this.
Yes, because they were drawn, granted faith and caused to be born again.
Unbelievers CANNOT KNOW THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT....and the Gospel is of the Spirit.
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TomFL
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Matt Slick made that same claim that man cannot understand spiritual things and had to back down in his debate with Warren McGrew
JD Martin as well
You have never addressed the 13 reasons
Preaching the Gospel !
Grace is antecedent in the preservation of the saints ! Ps 37:28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. The saints are preserved forever, that is their spiritual interest in Christ. Now it is a...
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just as you never directly address this
The Free Will of Lazarus and choice
TomFL said: You quoted a verse which does not teach what you claim The fact is it was contradicted by many verses Well, that is proof you don't know what you're talking about, because Scripture never contradicts itself. Your problem iss ity is not scripture that is contradictedbut your...
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and if you are going to claim different
then point out where
BTW If you are going to claim men cannot understand the gospel without having the spirit
you have painted yourself into a corner
For you cannot have the spirit without faith
John 7:38-39 (ASV)
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, from within him shall flow rivers of living water.
39 But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive: for the Spirit was not yet given; because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Galatians 3:14 (ASV)
14 that upon the Gentiles might come the blessing of Abraham in Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Its not sound hermenuetics to think you can contradict about 20 verses with your interpretation of one
I wouldn't know and I'm not Matt.
Where did I say you can have the spirit without faith?
Neither of those is in opposition of my view.
What I said is not refuted by any scripture you post. God draws, grants faith and causes rebirth.
Manfred
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But the gospel is revealed by the Spirit.
Your perception that you do not need God to believe is false of course.
Manfred
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How can you believe the things that are written without the Spirit of God revealing the truth to you.
The RCC, JW's, Mormons and all cults read the same scriptures and come to an incorrect understanding, because they are lead by a false spirit.
So decide today how you came to understand the scriptures rightly and the Mormons do not.
What about all those people killed by Jim Jones. Do you think they never read John 20:31
You too are saying that you don't need Christ, you did it on your own just by reading John.
Manfred
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A dead spirit has no faith. The point of the OP.
Self generated faith with a DEAD spirit is nothing more than mental consent.
At least you have the freedom to interpret the scriptures any way that suits you as you are not bound by the Spirit to correctly perceive it.
Manfred
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Everything.
Before the cross, how were the sins of Israel remitted.
Are you also a proponent of only knowing if you are saved at the last minute?
Manfred
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You have not been able to respond to ANY scripture posted and spam the same scriptures over and over again.
Many have answered your scriptures and the best you are able to do is come back with a Nu-uh, that is not what it means.
Your agenda here is nothing more than to be sly and underhanded.
You could not even properly respond to my previous post. That is being sly and underhanded.
Manfred
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This was before the cross.
What is the Spirit revealing to you post the cross.......... Oh, wait.... sorry, what does your free will natural self tell you?
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TomFL
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Indeed it is so plain and simple
Yet they will not believe
Faith precedes life
Your first problem is the text of 1Co 2:14
it speaks of those who have the spirit
1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV2011)
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
Unbelievers do not have the spirit
one must believe before one can receive the the Spirit
you did not address the verses showing that
your second problem
you stated they cannot believe without regeneration
that is contrary to the verses I posted and you still gave not addressed
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extolling your understanding of 1Co 2:14 or your theology is not dealing with them
that just brings up additional problems with your theologyu
your third problem is you have not demonstrated any irresistible grace which effectually causes faith
men are drawn by the word
They may believe or not believe
If they believe they are regenerated
James 1:18; 1Co 4:15; 1Pe 1:23
also proving faith comes before regeneration
which also you do not address
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TomFL
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Maybe you should actually read as I have addressed every single thing addressed to me
if you think differently show what you believe I have not addressed and I will demonstrate your claim is false
Are you up to it ?
seems all you have done is offer denial and and make false charges
no one has addressed all my verses directly
And BTW your objection still is absurd
You have not shown how the cross effects how the term dead is used in the parable of the prodigal son
That you imagine that somehow makes me sly or underhanded
just illustrates the lack of thought or truth in your post
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TomFL
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You are mistaken on a number of fronts
The spirit was needed to inspire the scriptures and to send men to preach
The scriptures are a work of the spirit
The scriptures preached also a work of the Spirit
The scriptures make wise unto salvation
2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV2011)
15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
Why do you deny the power of the word of God ?
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TomFL
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You have not show how that changes or effects the meaning of the word dead in the parable of the prodigal son
Does word meaning change based on whether it is B.C. or A.D.
Would the son be unable to return to his Father post Cross
Sorry all you have done is made an unsupported claim with no apparent validity
Manfred
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The scriptures are inspired by God.
You and the Mormons and the Jehovah Witnesses believe you do not need God to reveal inspired scripture to you.
There is a difference between inspiration and revelation.
Manfred
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What was the Prodigal dead to?
Who made Him alive?
His free choice, or his father?
You keep teaching people here that you do not need God and that you are totally capable yourself to understand inspired Scripture in your natural flesh and to make informed decisions which leaves you to hold to a faith.
My question becomes what is your faith in.
It seems your faith was self generated, and can be whatever pretty words you want to add to it, or what sounds right and rings right in the ear.
That is what the tares planted by the enemy does. They have this meaningless self generated faith, that leaves them as nothing more than white washed tombs with dead bones inside.