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False theology can be decreed for God's purposes. When he is ready you will come around.Your correct. Ignorance can be decreed for God's purposes. When He is ready you will come around
False theology can be decreed for God's purposes. When he is ready you will come around.Your correct. Ignorance can be decreed for God's purposes. When He is ready you will come around
It does not say their purpose, it's His purpose, His plan, His determination as to what would occur. Which included the evil actions of the participants.Acts 4:27 (KJV) For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Acts 4:28 (KJV) For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
God predeterminately gathered them to do their purpose even by intervening in circumstances and directive ideas in people's minds. But He didn't personally predeterminatively conceive their evil for them.
There was both predeterminism and libertarianism involved.
God *predeterminately* gathered the right *libertarian* people around, to get His purpose done.
That is the conclusion that reconciles Scriptures.
Maybe. Maybe you will to.False theology can be decreed for God's purposes. When he is ready you will come around.
If I'm reading these posts correctly, there are those who assume the human heart is basically good, therefore they have a free will decision to choose good or evil; and those who have a wicked heart, and have no way to choose what is righteous. They may think they want to do the right thing, but they're just fooling themselves.You're trying way too hard!!!!
Instead of your typo laden asinine retort above, why not accept God in all His glory? You know, like Paul; Romans 9:6-29. Like Moses; Exodus 33:18-19. Like Job, when he claimed the same thing we evil Calvinists claim, and in doing so, he wasn't sinning when he said it, nor are we; Job 2:10. Like Peter; Acts 2:39. Like Jude; Jude 1:4. Like Luke; Acts 13:48. Like James; James 1:18. Like John; John 6:37-40, 6:41-50; 6:60-71. Like Calvinists who, unlike you, since you believe you need to get God off the hook, while being appalled at the truth, twist the plain teachings of Scripture into the god you formed to your criteria and then approve of. That's what is truly evil.
That what you stated would be an example of Pelagianism, where Christianity is more of an example to follow for righteousness.If I'm reading these posts correctly, there are those who assume the human heart is basically good, therefore they have a free will decision to choose good or evil; and those who have a wicked heart, and have no way to choose what is righteous. They may think they want to do the right thing, but they're just fooling themselves.
You would assume the latter position while those who believe in free will would choose the former. It appears to me that if we have free will, there is no need for Christ to save humanity because we can simply choose to do the right thing, and save ourselves.
So, good and evil is God arguing against God?It does not say their purpose, it's His purpose, His plan, His determination as to what would occur. Which included the evil actions of the participants.
We are only saved by the grace of God, nothing less, and there is nothing more.If I'm reading these posts correctly, there are those who assume the human heart is basically good, therefore they have a free will decision to choose good or evil; and those who have a wicked heart, and have no way to choose what is righteous. They may think they want to do the right thing, but they're just fooling themselves.
You would assume the latter position while those who believe in free will would choose the former. It appears to me that if we have free will, there is no need for Christ to save humanity because we can simply choose to do the right thing, and save ourselves.
Who says otherwise? The question is who is saved by the grace of God?We are only saved by the grace of God, nothing less, and there is nothing more.
I don't think they want to hear that, or even investigate it, to find if it's Biblical or not. They are using illogical human reasoning, instead of Scripture. They brush under the rug the texts that do not correlate with their ideas of Free-Will. The thing they do not understand, is that sinners do have a free-will to sin, nobody is coercing them to sin, they're doing willingly, because this is the desires and passions of the flesh they love, and hate the light! But sinners do not have Libertarian Free-Will like Adam & Eve (Pre-Fall), and Christ to choose either way. Sinners are in bondage to sin, and crave the desires of the flesh (Ephesians 2).According to you pelagians, semi-pelagian or Arminians.
To freewillers the first good begins with man, and the Holy Spirit is only a benevolent wellwisher.
Yep, the real deed, and not the vague desire, begins on man’s side, though he is described in scripture as “dead in sin.”
The evil in your free will system is that you all insert a legal condition which men have to perform, and all ends at last in the law of works, leaving men to apply to themselves as best they can for the benefits Christ purchased.
mankind is thrown back under a “goodly guise” upon the principle , do and live!
According to you pelagians, semi-pelagian or Arminians.
To freewillers the first good begins with man, and the Holy Spirit is only a benevolent wellwisher.
Yep, the real deed, and not the vague desire, begins on man’s side, though he is described in scripture as “dead in sin.”
The evil in your free will system is that you all insert a legal condition which men have to perform, and all ends at last in the law of works, leaving men to apply to themselves as best they can for the benefits Christ purchased.
mankind is thrown back under a “goodly guise” upon the principle , do and live!
But, but, but... dead doesn't really mean dead.... you can still understand and act even when you're dead.....“dead in sin.”
being basically good or basically bad has nothing whatsoever to do with whether free will exists.If I'm reading these posts correctly, there are those who assume the human heart is basically good, therefore they have a free will decision to choose good or evil; and those who have a wicked heart, and have no way to choose what is righteous. They may think they want to do the right thing, but they're just fooling themselves.
You would assume the latter position while those who believe in free will would choose the former. It appears to me that if we have free will, there is no need for Christ to save humanity because we can simply choose to do the right thing, and save ourselves.
The rich man who died still understands and speaks and desires.But, but, but... dead doesn't really mean dead.... you can still understand and act even when you're dead.....![]()
Your claim is not accurateAccording to you pelagians, semi-pelagian or Arminians.
To freewillers the first good begins with man, and the Holy Spirit is only a benevolent wellwisher.
Yep, the real deed, and not the vague desire, begins on man’s side, though he is described in scripture as “dead in sin.”
The evil in your free will system is that you all insert a legal condition which men have to perform, and all ends at last in the law of works, leaving men to apply to themselves as best they can for the benefits Christ purchased.
mankind is thrown back under a “goodly guise” upon the principle , do and live!
Where?The rich man who died still understands and speaks and desires.
Who said that? LolSo, good and evil is God arguing against God?
Your absolutely right! They don’t.I don't think they want to hear that,
Hey CarbonYour claim is not accurate
No Arminian believes the first good began with man
Provisionist do not either
Without Christs sacrifice and without the gospel no one would ever get saved
And without you doing your part the same can be said. Your Roman Catholic. Salvation is a cooperative effort.Your claim is not accurate
No Arminian believes the first good began with man
Provisionist do not either
Without Christs sacrifice and without the gospel no one would ever get saved
Hey TomHey Carbon
Are you going to deal with your misrepresentation ?